Long time lurker, 1st time poster. Hello.

Originally posted by Darth Executor

Another dolt who thinks insult = "ad hom"

I'm confused, I thought ad hominem was a logical fallacy consisting of replying to an argument by attacking the person presenting the argument or assertion

Are insults to someones intelligence not attacking the person?

Originally posted by rolandpibb

I'm confused, I thought ad hominem was a logical fallacy consisting of replying to an argument by attacking the person presenting the argument or assertion

It isn't. It's attaking the person AND not dealing with the argument presented.

Ad hominem:
Man 1: 1+1=3
Man 2: You're an idiot.

Not ad hominem
Man 1: 1+1=3
Man 2: 1 + 1 =2, you idiot

Originally posted by Darth Executor

It isn't. It's attaking the person AND not dealing with the argument presented.

Ad hominem:
Man 1: 1+1=3
Man 2: You're an idiot.

Not ad hominem
Man 1: 1+1=3
Man 2: 1 + 1 =2, you idiot

Gotcha.

Whether ad hominem or not, wading through insults to find pearls of wisdom is quite frustrating.

Originally posted by member11491

Hi Crystal,

Well, your point in entirely silly. After all, I was able to make THIS VERY THREAD, but now the ability to make new threads are gone.

Now what were you saying about not getting all of one's facts straight silly girl?

Yes, you were able to make THIS VERY THREAD. However, you made it in a different forum; it was moved here by an AA.

Now who looks silly?

Originally posted by rolandpibb

Gotcha.

Whether ad hominem or not, wading through insults to find pearls of wisdom is quite frustrating.

I suggest you get acquainted with the ignore feature, then. It'll save you quite a bit of frustration.

Welcome to Tweb, btw.

Originally posted by Tickle Me OBP

... Welcome to [the Tektonics section of] Tweb, btw.

Ditto, with gusto.

Hey, rolandpibb, step over to the regular TWeb forums and introduce yourself. We can always use another reasonable atheist around the Apologetics subforum. And don't miss the Nat Sci forum either, our own private section where we can kick back in full view of the theists and exchange kitten-roasting recipes.

Don't take it personally, but considering the number of times I've fruitlessly suggested that to "genericmember", I figure it bears repeating. This TWeb subforum is JPH's little cul-de-sac.

As ever, Jesse

Originally posted by rolandpibb

Gotcha.

Whether ad hominem or not, wading through insults to find pearls of wisdom is quite frustrating.

How long did it take you to find "1+1=2" in that example?

Originally posted by rolandpibb

Whether ad hominem or not, wading through insults to find pearls of wisdom is quite frustrating.

I agree. I usually read books or articles before getting involved in discussions/debates about stuff; that way, wading through the insults is easier. But then again, I'm a very patient person.

Just to be annoying: Technically an ad hom is dealing with the problem presented by insulting the person instead of addressing the problem...






(Actually, DE's explanation pretty well said as much.... )

Originally posted by jpholding

Let's just say that Brian "Chicken Boy" Flemming has no concept of "sarcasm".

So you were sarcastically saying jesus never existed? I'm sure you'll be forgiven as long as you didn't deny the holy spirit.

I was reading the bible again this weekend and it seemed quite insane to me that anyone can take it seriously. I found the story about elijah and the she-bears and the children. For those of you who arn't familiar with the story (probably all of you) some kids were insulting Elijah's bald head, Elijah curses them in the name of the "lord" and a couple of bears come out of the woods and maul 40+ of the kids! This is in addition of a "flaming chariot" taking him up to heaven!

Also, a little more reading of the NT convinced me that all of you are not really christians at all. Can you drink deadly things and not be harmed? How about handling serpents? That is supposedly the mark of a true believer. How many of you have given all your possessions away? How many of you have gouged your own eyes out rather than sinning?

Member,

Just what do you hope to achieve by posting such stuff? Do you hope perhaps to open the eyes of one or two and 'save' them from wasting their lives by following Christ?

I was wondering recently about what atheists hope to achieve by debating with Christians in the manner which you do. What is your purpose?

Also, a little more reading of the NT convinced me that all of you are not really christians at all. Can you drink deadly things and not be harmed? How about handling serpents? That is supposedly the mark of a true believer. How many of you have given all your possessions away? How many of you have gouged your own eyes out rather than sinning?

Wow! This sounds familiar! It's almost like someone talking about the bit of Mark that textual evidence pretty solidly shows wasn;t in the original text!

Hey, wasn't there a Tektonics article addressing this issue? Why, there is! And, unusally, the argument isn't full of ad hominems!

Oh, the irony!

Originally posted by member11491

So you were sarcastically saying jesus never existed?

Dumber than a box of rocks.

I found the story about elijah and the she-bears and the children. For those of you who arn't familiar with the story (probably all of you)

It was Elisha, not Elijah. What's the about none of us being familiar with the story?

We know it like you know the back of our hands, plus http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qmeanelisha.html stuff like that which tells us why you talk through your hat.

Snoooore....

Originally posted by member11491

So you were sarcastically saying jesus never existed? I'm sure you'll be forgiven as long as you didn't deny the holy spirit.

That's all the response you need here.

I was reading the bible again this weekend and it seemed quite insane to me that anyone can take it seriously. I found the story about elijah and the she-bears and the children. For those of you who arn't familiar with the story (probably all of you) some kids were insulting Elijah's bald head, Elijah curses them in the name of the "lord" and a couple of bears come out of the woods and maul 40+ of the kids! This is in addition of a "flaming chariot" taking him up to heaven!

Well, did you bothered to read these commarities or book things. You would of learned.

1. They were not children, they were about 11 to as old as their early 20's.
2. They were surrounding him attempting to kill him.
3. No body died.

Now that you are done looking like a complete fool, I'll sit here and laugh at you.

Also, a little more reading of the NT convinced me that all of you are not really christians at all.

This should be intresting to hear.

Can you drink deadly things and not be harmed?

Do you know who Jesus was talking to?

How about handling serpents?

Like Paul did?

That is supposedly the mark of a true believer. How many of you have given all your possessions away?

Do you understand a hyperbole is or who Jesus was talking to?

How many of you have gouged your own eyes out rather than sinning?

Do you know what a hyperbole or figurative lanuage is?

Crystal

Originally posted by lilangelofterror

Like Paul did?

I can see it now; Apostle Paul: The Pharisee Hunter