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  September 9th 2003 , 11:25 PM
 
 
 
 
 
To Edited by a Moderator with you and your Arianism [Uriyah]. You are contemptuous and arrogant. – Michael, ezboard name “Michaeneu”

Whether [Uriyah] realizes it or not he is an Arian and is anti-christ. – Michael, ezboard name “Michaeneu”

Can someone provide me with an Arian website that teaches all aspects of Arianism? I want to see what these so-called Christians are accusing me of.

 
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  September 9th 2003 , 11:49 PM
 
 
 
 
Can't find a site made by an Arian supporting arianism, but for info I found:

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/arius.htm

 
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  September 10th 2003 , 12:10 AM
 
 
 
 
Thank you, but it is not what I am looking for. To get the true definition of what Arianism teaches, I need to find an Arian website that teaches all aspects of Arianism.

If you can find one, that would be good.

 
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  September 10th 2003 , 01:10 AM
 
 
 
 
Can't help you there. I only learned what Arianism actually was till just about an hour ago, and the most I am mentally capable of doing is going to askjeeves.com and typing in "arianism" :-)

 
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  September 10th 2003 , 01:23 AM
 
 
 
 
I realize the accuser involved spelled it "Arianism."

But did they mean Arian ... or Aryan? I don't know why it occurred to me, but maybe we should make sure we know exactly what we're talking about. Arianism is a theological view. Aryanism is one form of anti-Semitic white supremacy.

 
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  September 10th 2003 , 01:31 AM
 
 
 
 
I'm pretty sure he meant Arianism.

It's so typical for Trinitarians to give people labels, even when the people do not belong to those labels.

 
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To hell with you and your Arianism [Uriyah]. You are contemptuous and arrogant. – Michael, ezboard name “Michaeneu”

Whether [Uriyah] realizes it or not he is an Arian and is anti-christ. – Michael, ezboard name “Michaeneu”

Can someone provide me with an Arian website that teaches all aspects of Arianism? I want to see what these so-called Christians are accusing me of.
If I remember right. . . . .

In layman’s terms it is the denial of the deity of Christ. That Christ was a human and not the Son of God.

It was one of the two early heresies along with Gnosticism. Plus I don’t think you will find to many people who still believe seeing as it was for the most part erased from the church in the 3rd or 4th century.

 
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Ahhhhhh. Denial of the explicitly stated deity of Jesus in the Bible? Of course he's guilty of that. Open and shut -- he proudly proclaims it.

Of course, I suspect Uriyah may be a Muslim, but that's another matter. He seems incapable of stating the name of any biblical prophet (including Jesus) without following their names with parenthetical words or phrases in what appears to be Arabic. I find that very interesting. But maybe I'm wrong.

Uriyah, you can put this question to rest -- Do you worship Allah, and is Mohammed a prophet of God?

Yes or no?

If no, I will apologize for even asking the question, and we can go from there. (But you still haven't stated what your actual belief system even is.)

 
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If I remember right. . . . .

In layman’s terms it is the denial of the deity of Christ. That Christ was a human and not the Son of God.

It was one of the two early heresies along with Gnosticism. Plus I don’t think you will find to many people who still believe seeing as it was for the most part erased from the church in the 3rd or 4th century.
And btw, the word "sorrow" is misspelled in your signature.

 
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I'm guessing they meant the theological one, given that the signature implies anti-Trinitarian beliefs which coud be considered Arian if my understanding is correct.

 
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Do you worship Allah, and is Mohammed a prophet of God?
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Muhammed had sex with a child, was a homosexual who had a boyfriend, who Edited by a Moderator watermellon and a goat, and all his teachings were taken from other religions and teachings of other teachers that made stuff up, like Midrashes. So you tell me if such a person is a prophet of God (Baruch Hu; Melek ha'olam).

Hmmm, I guess I will bever know what the true teaching of Arianism really was.

 
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And btw, the word "sorrow" is misspelled in your signature. :riwink:
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

(ok I'll fix that thanks )

 
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Hmmm, I guess I will bever know what the true teaching of Arianism really was.
Ok got my facts straight, it is a early christian heresy the says that JESUS was neither eternal nor divine, thus denied the trinity. It was the center of the (and condemned by) council of Nicea, in 325 a.d.

OK, so now ya know, and knowing is half the battle! ( I am such a geek!!)

 
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Anti-missionary is my guess.

 
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Or Messianic, Baruch hu, melek ha'olam (Blessed be he, king forever, is my guess) is a big give away; "It's so typical for Trinitarians " is another.

And this from another post:
Ha'Mashiyach (Alav ha'shalom) was anointed with it (Acts 3:26), and cast out demons by it (Matthew 12:28; Luke 11:20).

 
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  September 10th 2003 , 05:22 AM
 
 
 
 
Well, from what I've seen on the short amount of posts you've done here and the links you've provided to other sites where your posts are - this charge of Arianism is correct.

Arianism re-interprets the Apostles Creed and gives new and unbiblical meanings to the Creed - which is exactly what you are doing.

It is a deliberate effort to interpret Christianity in philosophical terms, because it is deistic and rationalistic, and to convert it into a religious philosophy after the premises and presuppositions of Plato and Philo. You seem to follow all of the traits including the denial of scripture whereby you can deny the authenticity of the New Testament and write your own. It is premised on 3 things.

1.) Christ is a created being
2.) He is not eternally existent
3.) He is not of the same essence of the Father.

You don't believe He was begotten because in one of your posts in a link you provide you go into great depth on why Mary is not a virgin. You've shown here in less than 20 posts that you openly deny and revile that Christ was not eternally existent and is not the same essence of the Father.

So, the Arian charge seems to be definitive - this doesn't mean you haven't progressed and adopted other heretical positions on other doctrines and are not syncretic. But as far as the incarnation is concerned, which is the essence of being a Christian, the Arian label is probably correct.

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