Dejavue: What is it??

[emulator]

i have pondered this often enough that i think it warants addressing... i think that i must admit i haven't received intructions from god regarding my hypothesis... but it is in good faith.
i think that dejavue can be defined as a strange and somewhat awkward notion that i have felt, thought, or done something before...it may be prophetic in nature but is not strictly prophetic..meaning it is defined as happening in reverse for the purposes of realization...where prophesy goes before its occurence.
i dont believe that satan has knowledge of the entire future; if he did have any knowledge it would be from God. i think that dejavue is the Holy Spirit and can be felt by any person regardless of faith at any given time....that is to say the Holy Spirit confirming its existence...and effectively a ministry of grace.
What say ye?

[bar Jonah]

Deja vu isn't knowledge of the future, at all.

Goodness, even if it were, it doesn't accomplish anything. You only realize it after it's too late to act.


Deja vu is simply a kind of a "short circuit" in the brain that causes sensory information to be routed through two routes in the brain at the same time -- one route longer than the other -- resulting in that information arriving at its destination several thousandths of a second earlier than the other. When the second "copy" arrives, the brain can't discern any span of time between them, but feels like it "recognizes" the second "copy" because it's already received the first copy. And because it can't discern any measurable span of time between them, it can't really "remember" exactly when this information came, before.

So, it knows it's gotten this info before, but it can't quite place when it was.

I read this almost 15 years ago in a book about breakthroughs in neurology. Though it was primarily written for laymen, it referred to numerous studies which it cited. I wisH I could remember the name; I remember the cover was split -- black and white, half and half. But it was a truly fascinating book. I wish I could find it and read it again! (It also talked about recent discoveries in undertanding how humor works in the brain.)

[flipper]

I don't know, but I'll know it when I see it.

[emulator]

Deja vu isn't knowledge of the future, at all.

Goodness, even if it were, it doesn't accomplish anything. You only realize it after it's too late to act.


Deja vu is simply a kind of a "short circuit" in the brain that causes sensory information to be routed through two routes in the brain at the same time -- one route longer than the other -- resulting in that information arriving at its destination several thousandths of a second earlier than the other. When the second "copy" arrives, the brain can't discern any span of time between them, but feels like it "recognizes" the second "copy" because it's already received the first copy. And because it can't discern any measurable span of time between them, it can't really "remember" exactly when this information came, before.

So, it knows it's gotten this info before, but it can't quite place when it was.

I read this almost 15 years ago in a book about breakthroughs in neurology. Though it was primarily written for laymen, it referred to numerous studies which it cited. I wisH I could remember the name; I remember the cover was split -- black and white, half and half. But it was a truly fascinating book. I wish I could find it and read it again! (It also talked about recent discoveries in undertanding how humor works in the brain.)
i dont think that it is necessarily prophetic that is ..it doesnt predict the future..but in nature like prophecy/external
i have a sneaking suspicion that the Holy Spirit manifests itself to all people and one way that it does so is through this little understood phenomenon...
Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

it is my opinion that certain scientists are only trying to rationalize this disputable occurence...how is it that theory supposes that only one thought can occur at a time and yet these guys purport a new seemingly contradictory theory...how can one neuron discharge two pulses in such rapid succession (i doubt that mitosis extends to thought energies) and if the mind is so quick then why can't it process out the latter message with selfsame ability...and how can they liken the biological mass of tissue (with its maleable likeness) to a dead engine of its creation such as a computer... what are the mathematical chances that such an event should occur more than once and who is predisposed to them???
these are my questions... in any case I think that it is of superior directive...that is to say i doubt if we will know until we ask Him...science has limited scope over all things especially the mind, if it were not so than surely answers would have been proven common knowledge long ago...and anyhow science is limited by that which can be observed..
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

[bar Jonah]

How did we get on this rabbit trail of prophets? :huh:

Do any of us here believe that prophets used Deja vu to give prophecy?

[yxboom]

RightIdea:

Do any of us here believe that prophets used Deja vu to give prophecy?

hardly.

[bar Jonah]

Then we are :offtopic:

:lol:

[emulator]

im not talking about prophets ...you are selecting out prophets...prophecy is what i was alluding to and i did not nearly state that prophecy has brought about dejavue i merely intimated the concept for the sake of debate....but apparently there is no debating a subject of which noone has knowledge...
just because i used the scripture doesnt mean i was stating a fact but obviously it brought about the right reaction...you dont believe that dejavue is anything of substance...would you contend that all things beyond your grasp lack substance???
tell me what is a quark...and if i opine upon the matter does it mean i am claiming knowledge...or is the question in and of itself a means to an ends???????????

[yxboom]

there is no reason to get all bent out of shape.

[emulator]

you are right i am sorry...i think i mistook this discussion for a debate...seriously....i got frustrated :argh:

[themuzicman]

Yesterday @ 01:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=355020#post355020)
emulator:

i have pondered this often enough that i think it warants addressing... i think that i must admit i haven't received intructions from god regarding my hypothesis... but it is in good faith.
i think that dejavue can be defined as a strange and somewhat awkward notion that i have felt, thought, or done something before...it may be prophetic in nature but is not strictly prophetic..meaning it is defined as happening in reverse for the purposes of realization...where prophesy goes before its occurence.
i dont believe that satan has knowledge of the entire future; if he did have any knowledge it would be from God. i think that dejavue is the Holy Spirit and can be felt by any person regardless of faith at any given time....that is to say the Holy Spirit confirming its existence...and effectively a ministry of grace.
What say ye?

I thought I already told you what it was... :doh:

Michael

[emulator]

if your the same as "right" idea then maybe you did.but i reject scientific religion as one of those things that muddles faith...i will always seek out faith ...because truth without love is no longer truth..it is only mind bound rationalization...once again i dont claim to have knowledge...otherwise it would be mine...only an openness to new ideas / methods....and yet even scientists have faith in some thing... my faith is elsewhere and does not hinge upon understanding...but rather gives place to understanding as though it were secondary...by "new" i do not actually mean new... only new to me ... faith is all i have and i do believe in the scientific method as well as its shortcomings...

how does one supppose that the mind although able to emmit and substantiate two identical thoughts...as well--> lacks the ability to distinguish between the thoughts it has innately produced??? how can one suppose that the faculties have become mesmerised (although not initially); not before but only after the thoughts were given fruition does the mind lack the processes to understand those thoughts which th mind was quite sufficient to form (in whatever manner)
my query is as such...is it not possible that our mind in this instance is influenced by some supernatural force???
Is it possible that it is beyond all understanding, (current or otherwise)
a second but actually relavent question (though you may think it is a rabbit trail) is how does the embryo know when to send chemical signals to its mother initiating the inevitable birthing sequence???
you can choose to ignore this question (it is a rhetorical elucidation)
reiterated once more...spamwise...how does one neuron become charged enough that it can emmit these two pulses in such short succession???doesn't this chemical body need time to recharge..wouldnt that be enough time to recognize its own fault...how limited is the mind ...ahh but the mind is not known to have limits only {supposed} to...
:smile:

[kafka]

Prophets, eh? ....and here all this time I though it was just an experience that bypasses short term memory and goes straight into long-term memory. :hrm:

[emulator]

Prophets, eh? ....and here all this time I though it was just an experience that bypasses short term memory and goes straight into long-term memory. :hrm:

now that is interesting....confusing but interesting...hmmm...

oh yeah btw....i never said it was implicitly prophecy...i only intimated it was similar...lol

[kafka]

I knew you were going to say that... :teeth:

feeling like I've been here before...

[bar Jonah]

I'm getting a distinct feeling of vuja de...

The strange, overwhelming feeling that this has never happened before. :shocked:

[emulator]

I'm getting a distinct feeling of vuja de...

The strange, overwhelming feeling that this has never happened before.
never argued with someone who insists that ignorance is the best policy???
:teeth: