Pro-Semitism.

[fototune]

I was reading an article about Mel Gibson's "Passion of Christ" movie, on physicist/writer Dr. Randall Ingermanson’s web site, at http://rsingermanson.com/html/passion_movie.html (http://rsingermanson.com/html/passion_movie.html) . One of the interesting points to me was his description of Anti Semitism.

"Anti-semitism is a hatred of Jewish people. Anti-semites typically believe that Jews are a sub-human race, that Jews bear a collective responsibility for killing Jesus, and/or that Jews have formed a conspiracy to take over the earth. Anti-semitism was not invented by the Nazis. It was rife throughout eastern Europe and Russia and it thrived in parts of western Europe for hundreds of years.

Anti-Judaism is an antagonism to the Jewish religion. Anti-Judaism typically asserts that Judaism is legalistic, absurd, or disgusting."

While I have never been anti-Semitic, and don’t get into conspiracy theories very deep, I grew to believe that the Jewish race would eventually either rule the earth, or be an integral part of the process, because it was obvious that they were genetically gifted. After studying Semitic history, with an Egyptian professor, who was an ex Coptic, with an MDiv, in a failed attempt to get an M.A, I became fascinated by the history of persecution that the Jewish race had endured, from Biblical times until the present. It astounded me how everyone, everywhere, more times than not, hated, and wanted to exterminate the Jews. Yet without a country, most of the time, and without an army, they ended up controlling everything, over, and over, and over again. Even after everything was taken away from them, and they have to start from scratch. Sure I know, there was always someplace that they could escape to, and at the same time some would survive, and be stronger for it, but they continued to succeed. I find that astounding, and admire it, and if possible, consider it a quality that is worthy of emulating; persevering, and enduring that is. I was just wondering what other people thought about this?

:ahem:

[stillsmallvoice]

Hi fototune!

Mark Twain (in his essay Concerning the Jews) put it as follows:

"To conclude. -- If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way. Properly the Jew ought hardly to be heard of; but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?"

Be well!

ssv :hi:

[fototune]

Hi fototune!

Mark Twain (in his essay Concerning the Jews) put it as follows:



Be well!

ssv :hi:



Dear Stillsmallvoice::teeth:
Since Samuel Clemens died in 1910, he didn't know about the Holocaust, Einstein's Theory of Relativity, Bob Hope, Soupy Sales, Bob Dylan or any other 20th century giants of Judaism. Or the entertainment industry, which was constructed, and maintained by Hebrews, so it cements the point.

What kind of a civil servant are you?

fototune:wink:

[kofh2u]

Turn the other Cheek?
Love especially those who oppose you?
Even Taoism, win by losing?

In every case, the apologetics of the Jewish Priestly leadership replaces Christ where he is seen in their scriptures, prophetically foretold, in every case they see Israel. They equate unintendedly Israel's suffering with the suffering of Christ.

Yet, as we read here, they are a people chosen for example as was Christ chosen for our example.

[stillsmallvoice]

Hi all!

Thanks for the pearls, fototune!

I am a Hebrew-to-English translator & editor at a government office here in Jerusalem.

Be well!

ssv :hi:

[Socrates]

Hi fototune!

Mark Twain (in his essay Concerning the Jews) put it as follows:

"To conclude. -- If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way. Properly the Jew ought hardly to be heard of; but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?"
Answer: the Abrahamic Covenant of Genesis 12, which is unconditional and everlasting:

1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father’s household and go to the land I will show you.
2 "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

[geebob]

a tendency towards power is not necessarily a good reason to be for the Jewish race. It is alleged that hitler was a Jew and marx was whe's ideas led to revolutions and wars in which millions died (granted though some may say that destruction is the natural outcome of an anti God system like marxism, many will contend that his ideas were corrupted).

far be it from me to promote antisemitism, my point is rather that leadership is somewhat a neutral trait from which great good or evil may flow.

[fototune]

a tendency towards power is not necessarily a good reason to be for the Jewish race. It is alleged that hitler was a Jew and marx was whe's ideas led to revolutions and wars in which millions died (granted though some may say that destruction is the natural outcome of an anti God system like marxism, many will contend that his ideas were corrupted).

far be it from me to promote antisemitism, my point is rather that leadership is somewhat a neutral trait from which great good or evil may flow.

:teeth: I like the way that you use the word "flow." That's exactly the issue, whether traits flow from a good, positive, growing, healing direction, or an evil, negative, collapsing, or decaying one. That choice is what volition is all about. Being "Born Again' is making that choice. For a Christian, Jesus acts as the door to the good, and Satan the door to the evil. Once that choice is made, everything flows from it. In some cases the good,and the evil, are hard to separate intellectually, just like the parable of the "Wheat and the Tares." :wink:

[fototune]

Hi all!

Thanks for the pearls, fototune!

I am a Hebrew-to-English translator & editor at a government office here in Jerusalem.

Be well!

ssv :hi:
:tongue: Your welcome.

That's very interesting. I had 1 1/2 semesters of Hebrew in Bible College, but after years of neglect, all I can do is remember the alphabet, and a few words. Shalom.

[kofh2u]

a tendency towards power is not necessarily a good reason to be for the Jewish race.
... my point is rather that leadership is somewhat a neutral trait from which great good or evil may flow.

How things are said and how they might be understood is the subject of semantics and the domain of the master, Korbinski.

Hello... monotheism basically has come to power,...
...and, in the face of a universal Western paganistic culture that had once opposed it.

The idea of a conspiracy may well apply to a cultural conspiracy as opposed the political type Pharoah expected. He murdered all Jewish new born males, missing only Moses maybe. Had the three Persian Astrologers, called magi, returned as they had come, Hetod would also have misinterpreted the kind of conspiracy, one of prophets, and murdered Jesus. As it was, he killed many babies, threaten by a conspracy not of his own kingdom.

Hello... we have had a total cultural revolution, now long o]past, and totally pulled off by Jews, the earliest of Christ-ians.

The Jews who are responsible in their ignorance for killing the messenger, Jesus, exemplify our cultural response in condemning them, the Jews for the message of Christianity.

There seems to be a lesson in this for Modern Homo Sapiens concerning dominance in ideals and in power to rule in the kingdom of social justice.

[Timothy Leary]

From : http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitlerjew.html


One of the most frequently asked questions we receive is whether Adolf Hitler was Jewish or had ancestors who were. The idea seems to arise from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father. Alois' mother worked in the home of a wealthy Jew and there is some chance a son in that household got the woman (i.e., Hitler's grandmother) pregnant. Adolf Hitler was not Jewish.

[Christianotaku]

jews are like colombians were a small amount of the world population but we exceed in virtaully everything..I think its part of the blessing God has given us after the fall of our economy hes seen a real reconcilation of colombians with God...and the support of the iraqi war...well i hope the decision the tribunal took 50 years ago can be overturned and we can send support into israel and free ourselves of this curse....

[geebob]

One of the most frequently asked questions we receive is whether Adolf Hitler was Jewish or had ancestors who were. The idea seems to arise from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father. Alois' mother worked in the home of a wealthy Jew and there is some chance a son in that household got the woman (i.e., Hitler's grandmother) pregnant. Adolf Hitler was not Jewish.

okay, I wouldn't argue it one way or another. I knew hitler wasn't a solid example but I couldn't think of evil influential jews off the top of my head (it's not like a hobby of mine or anything).

I think my point stands on it's own. Great gifts come with the potential for great good as well as great evil. If it's true that the Jews are particularly gifted, which I believe statistics would bear it out, they certainly may be the source of both good and evil according to how the gifts can be and no doubt have been used.

[geebob]

as for the notion of being pro semetic, I'm one to think we should be on the basis of What God has given them and that they are created in the image of God, but for that matter, we should be pro any race. So we should be pro asian, pro african, pro caucasion, and so on.

[fototune]

okay, I wouldn't argue it one way or another. I knew hitler wasn't a solid example but I couldn't think of evil influential jews off the top of my head (it's not like a hobby of mine or anything).

I think my point stands on it's own. Great gifts come with the potential for great good as well as great evil. If it's true that the Jews are particularly gifted, which I believe statistics would bear it out, they certainly may be the source of both good and evil according to how the gifts can be and no doubt have been used.
:cucumber:
Take Einstein's theory of relativity. From it the atomic bomb was created. We dropped it on two Japanese cities, killed thousands, and ended WWII. We have nuclear power plants, that include Three Mile Island. We have the threat of suitcase nukes carried by terrorists. We can nuke our enemies, if we know where they are.
:carrot:

[kofh2u]

okay, I wouldn't argue it one way or another. I knew hitler wasn't a solid example but I couldn't think of evil influential jews off the top of my head (it's not like a hobby of mine or anything).

I think my point stands on it's own. Great gifts come with the potential for great good as well as great evil. If it's true that the Jews are particularly gifted, which I believe statistics would bear it out, they certainly may be the source of both good and evil according to how the gifts can be and no doubt have been used.

They always kill the messenger,...


Isa. 60:15 Whereas thou, the Jew, hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations in the spiritual fulfillment of scripture.

Isa. 60:16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Christian Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD, the almighty Power of the Universe, am thy Saviour and Christ thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

[FirstSunday33ad]

okay, I wouldn't argue it one way or another. I knew hitler wasn't a solid example but I couldn't think of evil influential jews off the top of my head (it's not like a hobby of mine or anything).

I think my point stands on it's own. Great gifts come with the potential for great good as well as great evil. If it's true that the Jews are particularly gifted, which I believe statistics would bear it out, they certainly may be the source of both good and evil according to how the gifts can be and no doubt have been used.

Ironically, although the Jews have given us the gifts it has been the non-Jew who used them for an evil purpose. That isn't to say that Jews - either individually or generally - are better than the non-Jew, but they have not been responsible for any of the great evils that have afflicted this planet. Even today, for all the fighting in the Mid-East the Jews have only ever fought for security and a homeland, I have never seen them invade a nation for oil.

I think they are one of the world's few "good guys".

[fototune]

Ironically, although the Jews have given us the gifts it has been the non-Jew who used them for an evil purpose. That isn't to say that Jews - either individually or generally - are better than the non-Jew, but they have not been responsible for any of the great evils that have afflicted this planet. Even today, for all the fighting in the Mid-East the Jews have only ever fought for security and a homeland, I have never seen them invade a nation for oil.

I think they are one of the world's few "good guys".
:ahem: What about in the 13th millennium BC, when they invaded Canaan? Joshua 6:21 states "And they utterly destroyed everything in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword." They were to perform the ethnic cleansing of the Promise land. :ahem:

[fototune]

as for the notion of being pro semetic, I'm one to think we should be on the basis of What God has given them and that they are created in the image of God, but for that matter, we should be pro any race. So we should be pro asian, pro african, pro caucasion, and so on.
Amen. All humans are my brothers and sisters, but each race has it's own mix of talents. Since I'm most familiar with Western Civilization, I tend to know more about it than Eastern Civilization, so I may appear biased, but don't mean to be.

[kofh2u]

Amen. All humans are my brothers and sisters, but each race has it's own mix of talents. Since I'm most familiar with Western Civilization, I tend to know more about it than Eastern Civilization, so I may appear biased, but don't mean to be.


Admirable attitude, and commendable.

I would suggest the pro-semitism is essensially a Western, in particular, Western European concept in the absence of anti-semitism in Asia and India, for instance.

What is important in my opinion, concerning this matter and Christianity, is that the entire Western Culture has been/is Jewish religiously, all willingly subjected to what is essentially the Hebrew Scriptures, OT and NT.

Hence, thd meaning of Zechariah:


Zech. 14:19 This shall be the punishment, total obsolescence, of Egypt and all Islam, and the punishment of all Christian denominations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zech. 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

Zech. 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite-like disbeliever in the house of the LORD of hosts.






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[Cephas]

Dear Stillsmallvoice::teeth:
Since Samuel Clemens died in 1910, he didn't know about the Holocaust, Einstein's Theory of Relativity, Bob Hope, Soupy Sales, Bob Dylan or any other 20th century giants of Judaism. Or the entertainment industry, which was constructed, and maintained by Hebrews, so it cements the point.

What kind of a civil servant are you?

fototune:wink:The Jews in the entertainment industry are just about as Jewish as a Christian who believes Jesus was a misguided fool.

Yet I think God will preserve the Tribe for the sake of the few who don't spit on the face of His mitzvot.

There has always been a contingent of law-abiding Jews even as the majority basically became evil (think Elijah vs. King Ahab). I believe that the righteous will preserve themselves while the wicked will perish by their own wickedness. Hmmm... sounds like something out of Proverbs.

[Cephas]

:ahem: What about in the 13th millennium BC, when they invaded Canaan? Joshua 6:21 states "And they utterly destroyed everything in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword." They were to perform the ethnic cleansing of the Promise land. :ahem:Not this canard again. The sixth commandment is "Thou shalt not murder," not "Thou shalt not kill." The Torah cannot mandate capital punishment and simulatneously forbid killing. Thus, killing an enemy in combat is OK. Executing a murderer is fine. Blowing up a burning plane full of children hurtling towards a crowded skyscraper is OK (killing the few to save the many).

And following God's commandments to kill is definitely OK (in this case, the Canaanites).

The commandment to kill them was for a specific time, and a specific people. Naturally, once fulfilled, the commandment is made null. Compare this with Islam, which commands Muslims to "slay unbelievers wherever you find them" (though other verses ordering humane behaviour conflict with this).

You think the Canaanites were just a bunch of kindly innocents? I would harldy consider idol worship, ritualistic prostitution and human sacrifices as something "nice people" do. Read objection 4 in Case for Faith by Lee Strobel for all of the gory details. If you think ritualistic prostitution and human sacrifices are OK because the culture mandates it, something is wrong with you. Namely, you've been infected with moral relativism.

And another thing--Israel has had a history of getting their asses bitten when they get too soft. When Saul spared Agag, his descendant Haman (in the book of Esther) started what would have been the first Holocaust centuries later.

[Magdalenbrother]

"Anti-semitism is a hatred of Jewish people. Anti-semites typically believe that Jews are a sub-human race, that Jews bear a collective responsibility for killing Jesus, and/or that Jews have formed a conspiracy to take over the earth. Anti-semitism was not invented by the Nazis. It was rife throughout eastern Europe and Russia and it thrived in parts of western Europe for hundreds of years.
Anti-Judaism is an antagonism to the Jewish religion. Anti-Judaism typically asserts that Judaism is legalistic, absurd, or disgusting."

This guy is putting together things that shouldn't be put together.
For me antisemitism is belief in the inferiority of the Jewish race, coupled with an appeal to either imprison, kill or drive away Jews from non Jewish territories. This ideology is an abomination that should be condemned vigorously.

To believe that the Jews are collectively responsible for the death of Jesus is a mistake that can be easily corrected by re-reading the Gospels and showing the pro-Roman bias of the Gospel authors.

To say that the Jews are conspiring to take over the world is NOT antisemitism. The Jewish scriptures teach that the Jews are a God-appointed people destined to rule the world. Is the Bible antisemitic? (maybe considering the huge amount of anti-Jewish abuse it contains:lol: ) As president Mahathir of Malaysia said on resigning his office, the Jews rule the world. This began very early in history. I am reading a book on the tribunal of the Holy Inquisition in Spain and the author, who is not a fascist, readily aknowledges that in 15th century Spain all the world of commerce and finance was completely in the hands of a handful of Jews, whch is astonishing (not so, if we reflect on the negative views of the Catholic church on economic activity and money-lending).

The trouble is that if you believe that the Jews are truly in control you must advocate removing them from their positions in commerce, banking, culture, etc.

I advocate recognizing the real state of affairs (ie that Jews exert a disproportionate amount of influence in the world) and launching a counteroffensive by peaceful means. Let intelligent and moneyed Gentiles go and conquer Hollywood, the Foundations, the Press, etc.

And let absolute freedom of opinion prevail regarding all problems relating to Jewish history and politics.

[Magdalenbrother]

"Anti-semitism is a hatred of Jewish people. Anti-semites typically believe that Jews are a sub-human race, that Jews bear a collective responsibility for killing Jesus, and/or that Jews have formed a conspiracy to take over the earth. Anti-semitism was not invented by the Nazis. It was rife throughout eastern Europe and Russia and it thrived in parts of western Europe for hundreds of years.
Anti-Judaism is an antagonism to the Jewish religion. Anti-Judaism typically asserts that Judaism is legalistic, absurd, or disgusting."

This guy is putting together things that shouldn't be put together.
For me antisemitism is belief in the inferiority of the Jewish race, coupled with an appeal to either imprison, kill or drive away Jews from non Jewish territories. This ideology is an abomination that should be condemned vigorously. It is also an obvious error since all human races are basically the same. I would even go so far as to recognize that Jews are on average more intelligent than say your average Spaniard or Greek. This is the product of a long and dramatic history in which the Jewish race has had to fight very hard for survival.

To believe that the Jews are collectively responsible for the death of Jesus is a gross mistake that can be easily corrected by re-reading the Gospels and showing the gross pro-Roman bias of the Gospel authors.

To say that the Jews are conspiring to take over the world is NOT antisemitism. The Jewish scriptures teach that the Jews are a God-appointed people destined to rule the world. Is the Bible antisemitic (maybe considering the huge amount of anti-Jewish abuse it contains:lol: ) ? As president Mahathir of Malaysia said on resigning his office, the Jews rule the world. This began very early in history and has historical roots. I am reading a book on the tribunal of the Holy Inquisition in Spain and the author, who is not a fascist, readily aknowledges that in 15th century Spain all the world of commerce and finance was completely in the hands of a handful of Jews, whch is astonishing (not so, if we reflect on the negative views of the Catholic church on economic activity and money-lending).

The trouble is that if you believe that the Jews are truly in control you must advocate removing them from their positions in commerce, banking, culture, etc.

I advocate recognizing the real state of affairs (ie that Jews exert a disproportionate amount of influence in the world) and launching a counteroffensive by peaceful means. Let intelligent and moneyed Gentiles go and conquer Hollywood, the Foundations, the Press, etc.

And let absolute freedom of opinion prevail regarding all problems relating to Jewish history and politics.

Regarding anti-Judaism I think that people should be fre to make negative judgments on any religion provided they have rational arguments to support them. There is a lot to criticize in Judaism without resorting to specious arguments. Besides, considering the contempt with which Jews regard(ed) other religions, specially paganism, I could make an easy case for giving Judaism a strong taste of its own medicine.

No untouchable holy cows or rams, please!!!!!!!!

And Mel Gibson's film is terrible, needless to say.

[shunyadragon]

a tendency towards power is not necessarily a good reason to be for the Jewish race. It is alleged that hitler was a Jew and marx was whe's ideas led to revolutions and wars in which millions died (granted though some may say that destruction is the natural outcome of an anti God system like marxism, many will contend that his ideas were corrupted).

far be it from me to promote antisemitism, my point is rather that leadership is somewhat a neutral trait from which great good or evil may flow.
Hitler was a Catholic, and never renounced his membership in the church. Alleged rumors mean nothing.

[shunyadragon]

The Jews in the entertainment industry are just about as Jewish as a Christian who believes Jesus was a misguided fool.

Yet I think God will preserve the Tribe for the sake of the few who don't spit on the face of His mitzvot.

There has always been a contingent of law-abiding Jews even as the majority basically became evil (think Elijah vs. King Ahab). I believe that the righteous will preserve themselves while the wicked will perish by their own wickedness. Hmmm... sounds like something out of Proverbs.
The darkened statements is as dark, evil and antisemitic as anything Martin Luther or Hitler had to say about Jews.

[kofh2u]

Magdalenbrother:

For me antisemitism is belief in the inferiority of the Jewish race, ...

KOFHY:
The suggestion of inferiority is one of the tools used by anti0semites against the Jews. Whether the propaganda furthers the goals by incorporating the involvement of others who "buy into" this excuse to de-humanize is another mater.

Magdalenbrother:
coupled with an appeal to either imprison, kill or drive away Jews...

... from non Jewish territories.

KOFHY:
Hmmm... then Jews have some place on earth where they belong, like Israel?

Magdalenbrother:
This ideology is an abomination that should be condemned vigorously. It is also an obvious error since all human races are basically the same. I would even go so far as to recognize that Jews are on average more intelligent than say your average Spaniard or Greek. This is the product of a long and dramatic history in which the Jewish race has had to fight very hard for survival.

KOFHY:
The Jews are among the extremely small number of peoples from ancient times, who have practiced social behavior continuously for millennia, ie; civilization as we know it. We do not recognize those societies that have a common historical background. The Romans are gone, the Celts, the American Native Nations, the Assyrians, Babylonians, the Persians, the Medes,... Perhaps, as poorly practiced as monotheism may have been, it has had a social evolutionary impact to some degree?

Magdalenbrother:
To believe that the Jews are collectively responsible for the death of Jesus is a gross mistake...

KOFHY:
The opposite is true, since initially the only supporters of Christianity we Jews, the large crowds assembling to hear Christ, and the fear of both Roman and Jew authorities that Jesus was all too popular exempt the common Jew of his day.

Magdalenbrother:
... that can be easily corrected by re-reading the Gospels and showing the gross pro-Roman bias of the Gospel authors.

KOFHY:
This I doubt. But, I believe the rabbi of today are of the same people, at least in mind and hence kind, tightly holding to their possession of authority concerning religion.

Matt. 23:30 And say, If we, (the orthodoxy, the pharisees, of our own generation, likened today, to include even certain Christian bible experts), had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the (solitary, self-proclaiming) prophets, (in the human sacrifice of Jesus, called the Christ).
Matt. 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, (vain Bible lawyers), that ye are the (genetically related) children of them (who think so common to this Modern Homo sapien species) which killed the (solitary, self-proclaiming) prophets, (including Jesus Christ, whom you offered in humansacrifice to perserve a failed Judaism).

Magdalenbrother:
To say that the Jews are conspiring to take over the world is NOT antisemitism.

KOFHY:
To say that about every ethnic group would be as true. Economics is a conspiracy driven by who you know, and fueled by self-centered selfishness aka, The Wealth of Nations.

To say that the Jews are doing pretty good in this "poker game" is as true as saying many other ethnic groups are "poor" losers.

Magdalenbrother:
The Jewish scriptures teach that the Jews are a God-appointed people destined to rule the world.

KOFHY:
Teach who?
The Jews seem quite happy to separate with distain and just be allowed peaceful co-existence. The problem is that their own scriptures suggest that they will not get away with it.

Magdalenbrother:
Is the Bible antisemitic (maybe considering the huge amount of anti-Jewish abuse it contains:lol: ) ?

KOFHY:
The bible is anti-all Modern Homo sapiens behavior, all 6.66 billion of them. The Jew has been chosen to demonstrate why adaptation to a different attitude would be good for man's survival. Poorly as tgey have conformed, monothdism has managed to filter down.

Magdalenbrother:
As president Mahathir of Malaysia said on resigning his office, the Jews rule the world.

KOFHY:
nonsense.

Magdalenbrother:
... in 15th century Spain...the (LITTLE COMMERCE THAT EXISTED)... all the world of commerce and finance was completely in the hands of a handful of Jews,...

KOFHY:
Everyone else lived self-sufficiently on large estates or in monastic communities... which, by this 15th century was changing and gentile Christians were gathering in cities, looking to enter the small but growing economics that were open to displaced but widely connect Jewish businessmen. Most of this small subculture had been middleman activities bringing spices and incense from Arabia and the Far East. Now, Jews were lossing the markets they had long developed to Gentile budiness interests just through the lies and unfairness of anti-semitism.

Magdalenbrother:
..whch is astonishing (not so, if we reflect on the negative views of the Catholic church on economic activity and money-lending).

KOFHY:
By the 15th century the church was almost as rich as the Pope is today. The aristocrats, church, and lust for money began encrouching upon a realm once LEFT to the Jew.

Magdalenbrother:
The trouble is that if you believe that the Jews are truly in control you must advocate removing them from their positions in commerce, banking, culture, etc.

KOFHY:
And... replace them with who? Real nice fair non-Js, like Hitler's circle of supportes? If you believe that economics is founded upon fair exchanges, and if you believe in free market economi like our present world economy preaches, why would we need remove a particular group of people from the
game?"

If Japan re-assures the recent economic boom, do we start WW111 to eliminate them? zisn't the appral to rabble rouse people by appeal to their jealousy just a tool to re-distribute the Jews property to selfish individuals? Did the gold teeth from the Holocaust filter down to the average German citizen?

Magdalenbrother:
I advocate recognizing the real state of affairs (ie that Jews exert a disproportionate amount of influence in the world) and launching a counteroffensive by peaceful means.

KOFHY:
Why not admit to an Anti-semite tendency? The devil hates a coward, and there is more strength in your subtle perspective if you just say these lies loud with the other anti-semites. Say it, "Jews are winning alot, so take their profits and give it to poor businessmen who own the land. Take the gold of the economy, too."

Magdalenbrother:
Let intelligent and moneyed Gentiles go and conquer Hollywood, the Foundations, the Press, etc.

KOFHY:
Look. Do you want economic free enterprise or not? Want national ownership? Try Communism or tax the middle class, Jew or not, socialize the money with free from cradle to grave. Try Fuedalism again, let the Aristocracy sit on its ass while peasants dig dirt. Stop progress and rape the winners as soon as you can muster supporters to back you up.

BUT BE SURE YOU GET YOURS... those who take from the rich aren't going to be Robin Hoods.

Magdalenbrother:
And let absolute freedom of opinion prevail regarding all problems relating to Jewish history and politics.

KOFHY:
Do you mean like Herman Goring did? Or do you promote the America experience of the past generation?

Magdalenbrother:
Regarding anti-Judaism I think that people should be free to make negative judgments on any religion provided they have rational arguments to support them.

KOFHY:
Judgements?

I thought that was anti-Christian?


Magdalenbrother:
There is a lot to criticize in Judaism without resorting to specious arguments.

KOFHY:
But, not as much as God found wrong with the Gentile attitudes of Baal/Ashtorah worship in the promotion of a sexually licensed econically fueled whoredom which allowed sacrifice of just born babies as aprophylactic for unwanted babies. These pagan religions God told the Jew to both elimibare and abstain from.
Finally, God sent hid=s only son to change tge pagans by other means than thd Jew sword He had intended.

After 1000 years of sexual restraint, Big Satan is loose again these last 500 years.

Magdalenbrother:
Besides, considering the contempt with which Jews regard(ed) other religions, specially paganism,...

KOFHY:
Contempt? They continually fell back into the same sexually dominated behaviors called Baal and Ashtoreh worship. Not only had God first wanted them to eliminate these people by the swors, but He had commanded they never follow suit.

Magdalenbrother:
I could make an easy case for giving Judaism a strong taste of its own medicine.

KOFHY:
The medicine Christianity is supposed to take is the example cjosen by God. The Jews did the job of worshipping tenets now, Christianized, but thought different than those given the Jew. The 1.5 million annual abortions in just Christian America illustrated Ba'al is the real religion of our society.

The Jews killed Jesus in cruxifixion, then, they themselves were slaughtered in Holocaust,... what do you think is next for a failed Christianity. Do you forget how much the lusting Pagans hate you?
Do you think the time is far off as far as the martyrs have long ago died in Pagan Roman? Christian is not growing. Islam and Western Paganism is.

[shunyadragon]

KOFHY:
The medicine Christianity is supposed to take is the example cjosen by God. The Jews did the job of worshipping tenets now, Christianized, but thought different than those given the Jew. The 1.5 million annual abortions in just Christian America illustrated Ba'al is the real religion of our society.

The Jews killed Jesus in cruxifixion, then, they themselves were slaughtered in Holocaust,...
Jesus was convicted as a Jewish rebel claiming to be the King of the Jews in a Roman Court of Law and Crusified under Roman Law. The reality of the judgement under Roman justice was that thousands like him recieved equal treatment during that time. The Bible version is Roman whitewash in a Roman bath.

The Jews did not kill Jesus and this did not have anything to do with the holocaust.