"Winds of Black Death"

[Jimmy Higgins]

Letter from al Qaeda claims attack is near (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20040311/ts_nm/security_usa_qaeda_dc)

A letter from what is believed to be a brigade of al Qaeda noted that: "We bring the good news to Muslims of the world that the expected 'Winds of Black Death' strike against America is now in its final stage...90 percent (ready) and God willing near,"

The phrase Winds of Black Death strikes me. I did a quick web search and got squat. Is this a term that pops up in the Qu'ran? Or is this a general phrase? Is there some other theme that it represents? Or is there something important in those words. I can't explain it, but the phrase just strikes me as perculiar. Why that phrase?

[Em7add11]

Isn't the Black Death the plague that killed all those people in Europe?

[Jimmy Higgins]

Isn't the Black Death the plague that killed all those people in Europe?
Naw. Its not the Black Death that bothers me. Its The Wind part.

[CatholicSage]

This is quite eerie. This seems to me to signify some sort of airborne disease that they will attack America with. Let's hope intelligence can catch this one.

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is quite eerie. This seems to me to signify some sort of airborne disease that they will attack America with. Let's hope intelligence can catch this one. Doesn't anyone know what this is from? No way in heck someone could have made it up. Its got religious symbolism written all over it. The wind sweeps, it acts as a cloak, it covers all, it can't be stopped.

I just can't place its origin.

[flipper]

I believe it's a reference to "Winds of Change", by Scorpion. Oddly enough, OBL was a big fan. Probably still is.

[CatholicSage]

I don't think it's necessarily a reference to anything. I think it's just an imposing name that may reveal something about the weapon or disease or whatever itself.

[dizzle]

Creeepy

[fototune]

Letter from al Qaeda claims attack is near (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20040311/ts_nm/security_usa_qaeda_dc)

A letter from what is believed to be a brigade of al Qaeda noted that:

The phrase Winds of Black Death strikes me. I did a quick web search and got squat. Is this a term that pops up in the Qu'ran? Or is this a general phrase? Is there some other theme that it represents? Or is there something important in those words. I can't explain it, but the phrase just strikes me as perculiar. Why that phrase?

:pray: :smile: :pray:

"In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful." The 51st Sura of the Quran is about the winds of destruction. It deals with the last judgement, and uses examples from Sodom, and Gomorah, Noah, and Pharoah. The chapter itself is titled "Al-Dhariyat," "The Winds," in the original text.

:pray: :lol: :pray:

[dizzle]

Thanks for that info Foto, I did not know that.

[Christianotaku]

thank God im safe in colombia...

[spl_cadet]

To me it sounds like a tie in with the "Divine Wind" the kamikazes. Sounds like it'd be a bunch of suicide bombings, if it is real and not just psy-ops.

[CatholicSage]

thank God im safe in colombia...

No offense, but I don't think Colombia can really be considered a safe place either...

[Dan Zebiri]

Hi folks,

May I just gently remind US all, that the safest place is in Christ! As the Apostle tells us, here :

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, "For thy sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered." 37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Amen!)
Romans 8:35-39
Lets not allow the terrorists' threats frighten us unwarrantedly. Granted, the whole world is on high alert (or just alert) about these deluded souls.

Bin Laden and his ilk WANT to see the non-Muslims jump and scurry around like headless Dodos each time he cries 'wolf'!

Let us NOT give these terrorists that satisfaction, okay. We know Who our God is, and so our lives are in HIS times and hands! No one, and I mean NO - One can snuff out our lives if the Lord does not will it.

Keeping our eyes on the Pioneer and Perfecter of our faith would hold us in good stead with our Living God.

Cheers! Dan.

[fototune]

Hi folks,

May I just gently remind US all, that the safest place is in Christ! As the Apostle tells us, here :


35 Who shall separate us from the l...ove of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, "For thy sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered." 37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the l...ove of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Amen!)

Romans 8:35-39

Lets not allow the terrorists' threats frighten us unwarrantedly. Granted, the whole world is on high alert (or just alert) about these deluded souls.


Bin Laden and his ilk WANT to see the non-Muslims jump and scurry around like headless Dodos each time he cries 'wolf'!

Let us NOT give these terrorists that satisfaction, okay. We know Who our God is, and so our lives are in HIS times and hands! No one, and I mean NO - One can snuff out our lives if the Lord does not will it.

Keeping our eyes on the Pioneer and Perfecter of our faith would hold us in good stead with our Living God.

Cheers! Dan.





:ahem: Eggsactly! It doesn't matter if you were buried alive for two days, under one of the towers, after 9/11, like the only survivor, who was interviewed on CNN. If it's not you're time, you're not going anywhere. The reciperocal of course is that if it is you're time, you can't escape it.

Like most people, I know a number of people who commited suicide, over the years. I've come in contact with two who failed. Both were teenagers, using guns, so they were dead serious. One blew his face off with a shotgun. The other put a 22 cal. bullet in one side of his head, and it came out the other, passing through his brain, but he lived. Both suffered serious repercusions, yet both survived. I also know people who died doing many of the same things that I did. I've met both good, and evil people who have survived countless experiences, that should have claimed their lives. The only consistent factor is that they were all human beings. Eventually we all return to the source of the flow, which religious people call God.:ahem:

[Ezraarah]

Hi folks,

May I just gently remind US all, that the safest place is in Christ! As the Apostle tells us, here :

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, "For thy sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered." 37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Amen!)
Romans 8:35-39
Lets not allow the terrorists' threats frighten us unwarrantedly. Granted, the whole world is on high alert (or just alert) about these deluded souls.

Bin Laden and his ilk WANT to see the non-Muslims jump and scurry around like headless Dodos each time he cries 'wolf'!

Let us NOT give these terrorists that satisfaction, okay. We know Who our God is, and so our lives are in HIS times and hands! No one, and I mean NO - One can snuff out our lives if the Lord does not will it.

Keeping our eyes on the Pioneer and Perfecter of our faith would hold us in good stead with our Living God.

Cheers! Dan.





What The Diffrent Between Islam And Christianity ?

[fototune]

What The Diffrent Between Islam And Christianity ?

:teeth: In Islam, the prophet Mohammed is the most important human being that was ever born. In Christianity, Jesus is.:wink:

[Jimmy Higgins]

What The Diffrent Between Islam And Christianity ?
Actually I can do better than that.

In the Judaic holy book, they criticize the pagans for being barberians.

In the Christian holy book, they criticize the Judaic for being hypocrits and pagans for being barberians.

In the Islamic holy book, they criticize the Christians and Judaic as being hypocrits and the pagana for being barberians.

Their god isn't too original when it comes to musing new holy scrolls. :teeth:

[Jimmy Higgins]

:pray: :smile: :pray:

"In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful." The 51st Sura of the Quran is about the winds of destruction. It deals with the last judgement, and uses examples from Sodom, and Gomorah, Noah, and Pharoah. The chapter itself is titled "Al-Dhariyat," "The Winds," in the original text.

:pray: :lol: :pray: In 51:42-43ish, they mention "the fate of 'Ad". "We let loose on them a blighting wind, which pounded into dust all that is swept before it."

It is referenced again in 54:18-20. "The 'Ad rejected (Truth): then how terrible was My Penalty and My Warning? For We sent against them a furious wind, on a Day of violent Disaster, Plucking out men as if they were roots of palm-trees torn up (from the ground). "

It sounds like the wind of a nuclear bomb. I can't find anything on 'Ad. Was that a group of people or people in general? It mentions it in addition the Noah, Sodom, Gomorrah, Moses. So I don't know of any Old Testament reference it could be making to.

[Christianotaku]

the worst thing that can happen her are bombs in the US you got chances of chemical and biological warfare

[spl_cadet]

the worst thing that can happen her are bombs in the US you got chances of chemical and biological warfare

Not really. Chemical and biological warfare really aren't too effective except as psy-ops.

[fototune]

In 51:42-43ish, they mention "the fate of 'Ad". "We let loose on them a blighting wind, which pounded into dust all that is swept before it."

It is referenced again in 54:18-20. "The 'Ad rejected (Truth): then how terrible was My Penalty and My Warning? For We sent against them a furious wind, on a Day of violent Disaster, Plucking out men as if they were roots of palm-trees torn up (from the ground). "

It sounds like the wind of a nuclear bomb. I can't find anything on 'Ad. Was that a group of people or people in general? It mentions it in addition the Noah, Sodom, Gomorrah, Moses. So I don't know of any Old Testament reference it could be making to.

:eek:
I really don't know who the "Aad" were, but since Mohammed was directing his preaching to the tribal factions in Arabia, at the time, I would assume that they were one of the groups. He borrowed from existing traditions, including Judaism, Christianity, Hellenism, and tribal oral traditions. Just like Moses with the Pentetuech, Mohammed wrote down what had already been existing orally.

[Remix]

What The Diffrent Between Islam And Christianity ?
Islam believes that Mohammed was the messenger of God, and that the Christians and Jews are deluded, following corrupted interpretations of the word of God. Islam believes that the world is divided between the World of Islam [submission], goverened by Koranic law, the World of Accord [where Islam and other religions are at sort of a stand-off] and the World of War [where Islam is engaged in an active takeover].

Islam reqires that non-belivers in the World of Islam be given the choice to convert or be put to death. The only [temporary] exception is People of the Book - that being Jews and Christians. They are allowed to live, when in the World of Islam, in a state of humiliating conditions and paying taxes, until the time of the judgement. At the time of the judgement, Jesus will return and destroy all crosses. The People of the Book lose their special status, and are killed en mass. and the judgement commences.

That is the nutshell version. Excuse my spelling.

[Remix]

I'll add that Islam denies the devinity of Christ, belives that Christians are polytheists [father, son, holy ghost = multiple gods; and they think Catholics worship the Father,Son, and Mother - even more polytheism]. Such is greatly condemmed, as they say [without understanding Christianity] that there is only one God.

Well, duh.

[dizzle]

you are correct Remix. Welcome to the forum.

[Remix]

I know that was a very brief and unfocused snap-shot of the differences.

So, I go on.

Islam believes in the God of Abraham, but believes that Ishmael was the blessed child. In Christian terms, they believe the child of the bondswoman was the one God blessed. Moslems believe in much of the Old Testament. They take some liberties with the timelines contained therein, however.

The nutshell on the origin of Islam dates to several hundred years after Christ. Then, there was Mohammed. He claimed to be the final message from God.

We will skip a lot of the details here, but he was in Mecca, and was receiving visits from the angel Gabriel. Supposedly, he was illiterate, and remembered and related what he was told to others. As his new faith grew, he ran into some opposition in Mecca, and moved to Medina.

As an aside, in Medina, there are portions of the Koran that were written that are somewhat peaceful sounding. Later, he retured to Mecca and kicked butt and took over. After doing so, he issued different "verses", later recordered in the Koran, that, according to Islamic clerics, "abrogate" the earlier peaceful verses. Those earlier verses are often quoted in the media, but the true believers know they are meaningless PR.

All that aside, it is a religion that believes in a few fundamental things:

Man can't be happy unless he submits [Islam is submission] to the will of God.

Islam is the only God pleasing franchise around, all others are corrupt or pagan.

Moslems have a holy duty to basically take over the entire world, by whatever means are necessary. Lying, war, killing, etc - no problem as long as their opposition is non-believers.

In addition, any moslem who dies in the violent pursuit of the above goes to paradise.

Those who don't take this path await the judgement of a distant and personally unknowable God, and will have the works of their life weighed in a scale on judgement day. Good works + mantatory tithing vs. the bad they've done [in and Old Testament sense] = unknown eternal fate. Thus, people volunteer to blow themselves up and fly planes into buildings, as it is an easy way into a good afterlife.

One of the fundamental tenants of the religion is that when you can't win by force of arms, you mark your time, move people in, until the time you can win by force of arms. This is the external application of the concept of jihad. There is no doubt that the goal of Islam is world conquest.

In its fundamentalist form, there is no truth to any assertion that it is a religion of peace. Infidels are to be dealt with, sooner or later, by one means or another. It is a religious duty.

[Remix]

Oddly, this just struck me:

When a Moslem commits a suicidal task in the name of his religion, he is usually thinking pimarily of himself and of securing his own route to heaven.

Christians don't think that way. They accept such tasks primarily beacuse they will benefit others, not themselves. They already figure they are Heaven-bound, and that the circumstances justify the self sacrifice in order to live up to a higher external cause.

That is a significant difference.

[CatholicSage]

How often do Christians engage in suicidal tasks?

[Remix]

How often do Christians engage in suicidal tasks?
Imagine Christian solders charging a machine gun nest. Few will survive. How many times has something like that happened in the last centuty?

Imagine how many times it will happen in this century, as the war between Islam and the rest of the world comes to be the definition of our lives.

[CleverOne]

THIS IS VERY INTERESTING.

First of all. WTC was attacked 2001/9/11. (there stands 911)
There is excactly 911 days from the attack on WTC to the bombings in Madrid. 2004/3/11.
The same day as the bombings in Madrid there was a warning from Al Queda that Winds of Black Death was 90% ready.
911 - 90% = 91,1.
There is excactly 91,1 days from that day (2004/3/11)
To the day 2004/6/11. That means that Winds of Black Death should happen that day.
Ronald Reagan was buried that day, but what he also were, was that he's body was flown in the Air Force One.
Ronald Reagan was very good at getting cheap oil to the USA and so on.

Winds: Air Force One.
Black: Oil.
Death: Ronald Reagan.

How did they know that he was going to be buried this day?
They get information from the CIA. How? I don't know!

It is also strange that there stands 11 in al the dates, it looks like WTC.

And by the way Ronald Reagan was born 1911. (There stands 911!)

What does this mean?? This is REAL but what does it mean???

Martin, DK.

[suffer for joy]

THIS IS VERY INTERESTING.

First of all. WTC was attacked 2001/9/11. (there stands 911)
There is excactly 911 days from the attack on WTC to the bombings in Madrid. 2004/3/11.
The same day as the bombings in Madrid there was a warning from Al Queda that Winds of Black Death was 90% ready.
911 - 90% = 91,1.
There is excactly 91,1 days from that day (2004/3/11)
To the day 2004/6/11. That means that Winds of Black Death should happen that day.
Ronald Reagan was buried that day, but what he also were, was that he's body was flown in the Air Force One.
Ronald Reagan was very good at getting cheap oil to the USA and so on.

Winds: Air Force One.
Black: Oil.
Death: Ronald Reagan.

How did they know that he was going to be buried this day?
They get information from the CIA. How? I don't know!

It is also strange that there stands 11 in al the dates, it looks like WTC.

And by the way Ronald Reagan was born 1911. (There stands 911!)

What does this mean?? This is REAL but what does it mean???

Martin, DK.
It means that a conspiracy theory can be made out of anything.