Ezraarah
March 25th 2004, 07:18 AM
Ques ; If Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ Died For Man's Sins , Then Why Are People Still Sinning ? Ans ; Deuteronomy 24 ; 16;...Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; Each Is To Die For His Own Sins . Ques ; If Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ Is The Son Of God And The Son Of A Man As Found In John 8 ; 28 ;..Then Why Do Christian Teach That Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ Died For The World's Sins , As Found In John 1 ; 29 ;...Where It Says And I Quote ,, The Next Day John Seeth Jesus Coming Unto Him , AndSaith Behold The Lamb Of God Which Taketh Away The Sin Of The World '' When According To Deuteronomy 24 ; 16 .. God Commanded That Everyman Shall Be Put To Death For His Own Sins ? According To Deuteronomy 24 ; 16 , The Father Shall Not Be Put To Death For The Children And Neither The Children For The Father , But Everyone For Their Own Sins .
Deuteronomy 24 ; 16 ;...Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.
Then This Commandment Was Repeated Through The Bible .
2Chronicles 25 ; 4 ;... Yet he did not put their sons to death, but acted in accordance with what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded: "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sins."
2Kings 14 ; 6 ;...Yet he did not put the sons of the assassins to death, in accordance with what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses where the LORD commanded: "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sins."
Ezekiel 18 ; 4 ;....For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son-both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die.
Ezekiel 18; 20 ;...The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
Some Christian Will Try To Say That Yashua , Isa , Jesus Christ Was Not A Regular Man . He Was More Than Just A Man . HowEver According To Your Bible Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ , Was Reduced To A Man When He Was Starved , Then Scourged Meaning '' Whipped '' In John 19 ; 1 , He Was Reduced To A Man . So On The Crtoss He Would Have Been Daying As A Man . And According To John 8 ; 28 His Is The Son Of A Man ;
John 8 ; 28 ;.....28So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.
The Greek Word Used For '' Man '' Is Meaning '' Human , Common To An , Mankind , After The Manner Of Men . And The Hebrew Word Used For Man '' In Deuteronomy 24 ; 16 Is ' Iysh '' Meaning '' Male Living Being '' ThereFore He Could Not Have Died For Anyone's Sins But His Own .
guacamole
March 25th 2004, 02:21 PM
Ezraarah
I just want you to know that anything I say to you I mean in the most respectful way. I don't wish to offend you but instead I wish to educate you with respect to what Christians actually believe, because you have some misconceptions about what Christians actually believe.
If Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ Died For Man's Sins , Then Why Are People Still Sinning ?
To put it plainly, people are still sinning after the death of Jesus because they can.
The sacrificial nature of Christ's death is one of the most misunderstood teachings of Christianity. In this case you offer a very good question that I hope I can clear up.
The death of Jesus was not meant to take away man's will to sin or his ability to sin. Christ's sacrifice had one important function and that was to be a final sin offering once for all time. Christ's sacrifice covers sin past, sin present, and sin future and negates the need for God to punish those who believe and accept the sacrifice.
St. Paul, for example, knew that sin would still be a struggle for mankind, even believers when he wrote to a church in Rome to exhort them to righteousness:
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Romans 6:11-14
In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin riegn in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as intruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as intruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. [/b]
In this case we see that Paul not only understood that Christ's death did not destroy either the will or ability to sin, but even admitted that sin would be an issue for believers.
What then did Jesus accomplish? In a word, redemption.
Jesus' disciple Peter puts it this way:
1 Peter 17-21
Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear. For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
This passage illustrates some of the concepts inherent in the idea of redemption. First, Peter notes that we were not redeemed with perishable things such as silver or gold. Here Peter is making a reference to the common practice of slavery in the ancient world. In this case one could be redeemed from slavery if one could pay the price owed that would set one free. One common reason for being enslaved was that one was indebted for an amount which one could not pay, and to pay off the debt one was sold into slavery.
This relationship serves as a lesson for mankind's relationship to sin. Mankind was enslaved because he has sinned and now owes a debt to God which he cannot pay. Because no man was able to redeem himself (the Earthly sacrifices were imperfect) God himself had to redeem mankind, buying him back or paying his debt with the sacrifice of Christ (a perfect sacrifice).
So what then? Each believer, though redeemed from slavery to sin and now slave to God, must still struggle to submit to God's will and overcome sin. Even so, we have Christ who has struggled for us and continues in fact, to struggle with each Christian:
1 John 1:8-2:2
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our unrightousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his world has no place in our lives
My dear children I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the father in our defense-- Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
So you can see that Christ death does not prevent men from sinning but prevents those who believe from experiencing the punishment for their sins.
With respect to the passages in the Jewish Scriptures, understand that such passages as Deuteronomy 24:16 and other verses from the Law establish an actual legal system for man to follow- not a spiritual system. In fact it is logical that even if Jesus died to take the punishment for my sin, if I commit a crime worthy of death the earthly authorities are still bound to punish me. Not only is it logical, but it is just and necessary. However, for my sins that are truly mine alone, it is not just to kill my children, my wife, my family or my friends. This is truly the ethic of "An eye for an eye", there ought to be no futher punishment than allowed by the crime. But again, even if I have commited a crime worthy of death and am to die for my sin, I can still be redeemed by Christ and experience his ultimate grace and eternal reward. They are truly two separate issues.
Finally:
The Greek Word Used For '' Man '' Is Meaning '' Human , Common To An , Mankind , After The Manner Of Men . And The Hebrew Word Used For Man '' In Deuteronomy 24 ; 16 Is ' Iysh '' Meaning '' Male Living Being '' ThereFore He Could Not Have Died For Anyone's Sins But His Own .
Happily, Jesus was more than just a man. He was God. The very Gospel of John, which you quote to show he was man, asserts this most clearly:
John 1:1-18
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
There cam a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him al men might believe. He himself [John] was not the light ; he came only as a witness to the light. The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did no recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. et to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God-- Children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
And, to be God meant that he could die for our sins. Thanks be for that.
Sincerely,
guac.
Ezraarah
March 25th 2004, 04:00 PM
Ezraarah
I just want you to know that anything I say to you I mean in the most respectful way. I don't wish to offend you but instead I wish to educate you with respect to what Christians actually believe, because you have some misconceptions about what Christians actually believe.
To put it plainly, people are still sinning after the death of Jesus because they can.
The sacrificial nature of Christ's death is one of the most misunderstood teachings of Christianity. In this case you offer a very good question that I hope I can clear up.
The death of Jesus was not meant to take away man's will to sin or his ability to sin. Christ's sacrifice had one important function and that was to be a final sin offering once for all time. Christ's sacrifice covers sin past, sin present, and sin future and negates the need for God to punish those who believe and accept the sacrifice.
St. Paul, for example, knew that sin would still be a struggle for mankind, even believers when he wrote to a church in Rome to exhort them to righteousness:
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Romans 6:11-14
In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin riegn in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as intruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as intruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. [/b]
In this case we see that Paul not only understood that Christ's death did not destroy either the will or ability to sin, but even admitted that sin would be an issue for believers.
What then did Jesus accomplish? In a word, redemption.
Jesus' disciple Peter puts it this way:
1 Peter 17-21
Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear. For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
This passage illustrates some of the concepts inherent in the idea of redemption. First, Peter notes that we were not redeemed with perishable things such as silver or gold. Here Peter is making a reference to the common practice of slavery in the ancient world. In this case one could be redeemed from slavery if one could pay the price owed that would set one free. One common reason for being enslaved was that one was indebted for an amount which one could not pay, and to pay off the debt one was sold into slavery.
This relationship serves as a lesson for mankind's relationship to sin. Mankind was enslaved because he has sinned and now owes a debt to God which he cannot pay. Because no man was able to redeem himself (the Earthly sacrifices were imperfect) God himself had to redeem mankind, buying him back or paying his debt with the sacrifice of Christ (a perfect sacrifice).
So what then? Each believer, though redeemed from slavery to sin and now slave to God, must still struggle to submit to God's will and overcome sin. Even so, we have Christ who has struggled for us and continues in fact, to struggle with each Christian:
1 John 1:8-2:2
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our unrightousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his world has no place in our lives
My dear children I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the father in our defense-- Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
So you can see that Christ death does not prevent men from sinning but prevents those who believe from experiencing the punishment for their sins.
With respect to the passages in the Jewish Scriptures, understand that such passages as Deuteronomy 24:16 and other verses from the Law establish an actual legal system for man to follow- not a spiritual system. In fact it is logical that even if Jesus died to take the punishment for my sin, if I commit a crime worthy of death the earthly authorities are still bound to punish me. Not only is it logical, but it is just and necessary. However, for my sins that are truly mine alone, it is not just to kill my children, my wife, my family or my friends. This is truly the ethic of "An eye for an eye", there ought to be no futher punishment than allowed by the crime. But again, even if I have commited a crime worthy of death and am to die for my sin, I can still be redeemed by Christ and experience his ultimate grace and eternal reward. They are truly two separate issues.
Finally:
Happily, Jesus was more than just a man. He was God. The very Gospel of John, which you quote to show he was man, asserts this most clearly:
John 1:1-18
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
There cam a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him al men might believe. He himself [John] was not the light ; he came only as a witness to the light. The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did no recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. et to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God-- Children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
And, to be God meant that he could die for our sins. Thanks be for that.
Sincerely,
guac.
First I Like To Say ThankYou For You Reply . And I Repect Your Answer .. Unlike Most On Here . There Insuit Show There Intelligent .... But I Don't Accept Yashua As Being God ... And This Is Way ....
Ques ; Is There A Difference BetweenThe Father And The Son In The Bible ??
If you ask any Christian who are these Verse pertaining to they would Answer
( WithOut A Doubt In Their Minds ) . that these Verse are Speaking of The Messiah Yashua , Also Take A LQQk At The Many Titles Which Are Attributed To Him . < Biblical Names Attributed To The Messiah Yashua >
The seed of woman < Genesis 3 ; 15 > The caption of Savation < Job 5 ; 13 - 14 > Wonderful < Isaiah 9 ; 6 ; Judge 13 ; 8 > I am that I am < Ex odus 3 ; 14 > The mighty God < Isaiah 9 ; 6 > Emmanuel < Isaiah 7; 14 > The Rose of Sharon lilly of the valley < Song of Solomon 2 ; 1 > Theprince of pace < Isaiah 9- 6 > The Mediator < 1Timothy 2 ; 5 > The helper < Hebrew 13 ; 6> The Rewarder of Faith < Hebrew11 ; 6 > The Branch < Zachariah 6 ; 12 > A Man of sorrows < Isaiah 53 ; 3 > The Bringer of Good Tidings < Isaiah 41 ; 27 > The Chief Cornerstone < Isaiah 28 ; 16 > The Redeemer < Job 19 ; 25 >
This is only a small list of the different names that are Attributed to The Messiah Yashua Without Even His Name Being Mentioned . I Repeat The Name '' Yashua / Jesus '' IS NOT FOUND IN ANY OF THESE VERSE . HowEver , You Have Christian Will Undoubtedly Tell You That These Verse Are In Fact Speaking About The Messiah Yashua < NOT >
I Again Repeat The Name '' Yashua / Jesus '' IS NOT FOUND IN ANY OF THESE VERSE .. OverStand SomeThing Ok I Deal Only In Facts Ok
Ans. There is a distinction made between the father , And the son John 5 ; 19 ''Then Answered Jesus And Said Unto Them , Verity , Verily , I Say Unto You The Son ( Hwee - Os ) . Can Do Nothing Of Himself , But What He Seeth The Father ( Pat - Ayr ) Notice Greek Word For Son is Spell ( Hwee - Os )
Bible - New Testament , 2John 1 - 3 ( With Greek Insert ) states , Grace be with you , mercy , and peace , from God the Father , and from the Lord Jesus Christ , theSon of the Father , in truth and love , '' .... Then when you go to 1John 4 ;14 - New Testament ( With Greek Insert ) A Letter To His Girl Friend Cyria , You Read ;... And We Have Seen And Do Testify That The Father Sent The Son To Be The Saviour Of The World '' And In 1John 2 ; 22 - New Testament ( With Greek Insert ) You Read , '' Who Is A Liar But He That Denieth That Jesus Is The Christ ? He Is Antichrist , That Denieth The Father And The Son '' These quotes above aremaking it clear that Jesus and God are not the same being or person , NoMore Then You And Your Father Are TheSame Person . LQQking at these quotes from Your King James Version of the Bible , Jesus could not have possibly been The Son And The Father . He has to be Either one or the other , And it is very clear which one is The Son That's All Just like all of Us are Children Of God ( John 10 ; 34 - 36 ) . So now as far as when They say in The Greek Translation John 1 ; 1 - New Testament ( With Greek Insert ) , It States ... '' In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God and the Word was God , <> They are really saying '' In The Beginning Their Was An Oath And That Oath Was The Word , ;....The Greek Word For In Is
'' En '' Which is also The Sumerian Word '' En '' or An '' Name Of The Highest And It Denotes A Position '' In Place , Time Or States Thus God Must Have Been At A Specific Place , At A Specific Time '' In The Beginning '' And Was God The Word ( Logos ) or Was The World ( Logos ) With God . Because It Couldn't Be With God And Be God . < Statement In Itself Would Contradict Itself ; The Word In Greek Log -Os Was A '' Speech , Saying , Decree '' From the Root Word Leg - O meaning '' Say , Speak '' Which In Hebrew would be Daw - Bar '' Word , Saying , Speech , Utterance '' Genesis 15 ; 1 , 4 , And The Greek Word Used For Beginning Is Ar - Khay Meaning '' Chief ( Order , Time , Place , Or Rank ) ;....Beginning , Corner ( At The , The ) First ( Estate ) Magistrate . Power , Principality . Principle , Rule ''
American Heritage Dictionary Defines Arch . As ;
Chief , Principal . From Middle English . Arche From , Old English , Arce , Erce , From Latin , Archi - Arch - , Fr Greek Arci . Are , Meaning '' Leader , Chief Ruler ' From The Stem Of Arceiv , To Begin , Rule '
In Serveral Quotes In The New Testament Jesus Made It Clear That You Are To Worship God And Not Him When He Made Reference To God He Used The Third Person Singular '' Him '' Not The First Person Singular Me In Luke 4; 8 Jesus Says And I Quote He Said Worship Him Not Me
In John 4 ; 23 - 24 Jesus States Againt In The Red Letter Writting Of Your Bible And I Quote He Said Worship Him And Not Me .
And In John 14 ; 10 Jesus Gives All Praise And Gratitude To His Heavenly Father And I Quote He Used The Word He Not Me
The ( Trinity ) Is Of ( Pagan ) Origion And Every ( Pholytheistic ) Culture Has Their Own Reprentation Of It ... Common Sense Should Tell You That Three Person Yet One God Theory Is Impossible ..
( 1 ) Plus ( 1) Plus 1
God The Father God The Son God The Holy Ghost
Three Cannot Go Into One , With Yashu'a Was God How Could He Forsaken Himself (Matthew 27 ; 46 ... Mark 15; 34 ) And If He Was God Who Was He Calling Out To Himself ? I Thought God So Loved The World , That He Sent His Son To Die For You .. If That's True As John 3; 16 Says , Then Jesus Had Nothing To Do With It It Was That Father That Sent Him . In Matthew 6 ; 9 As Jesus Say '' Our Father Who Art In Heaven '' Because Jesus Say In John 13 ; 16 '' I Am Not Greater Than He Who Sent Me '' And In John 5; 30 He Says Again That '' I On My Own Accord Can Do Nothing '' Call No Man Father , Because There Is One Father Who Art In Heaven And Jesus Says Clearly In Matthew 23; 9 '' And Call No Man Your Father Upon The Earth
Truth Is Truth And If It Was About His Father's Will Then Why Did Jesus SAy In Matthew 26; 38 >> If Be Possible Let This Cup Pass By Me ; Nevertheless Not As I Will , But As Thou Wilt ''
Let Me Point Out A Few Points From Your Bible Stating That Jesus Couldn't Possibly Be God ..
Mark 15 ; 34 >> Jesus cried out with a loud voice My God , My God Why have thou Forsaken Me . <<< If Jesus was God who could he be praying to if he is the only God , and to cry is a human Weakness .
Mathew 4; 1 >>Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil << If Jesus was God how could the devil Possibly be able to tempt him without him knowing >> And What Could The Devil Possibly Offer The Creator Of Everything .
Luke 14 ; 26 >> If anyman come to me , and hate not his Father And Mother And Wife And Chrildren And Brethren And Sister , Yea And His Own Life Also , He Cannot Be My Disciple . <<< If Jesus was God and he so loved the world why would you have to hate your family And even yourself , when it say in Leviticus 19 ; 1 That Hatred Is A Sin
John 14 ; 2 >> In My Father House Are Many Mansions .>>> Jesus Said In My Father's House , He [ Didsn't Say In My House ] Would It Have Made Sense To Say In My House [ If He Was God ? ]
Luke 2; 49 >> That I Must Be About My Father's Business '>> If Jesus Was God Why Did He Say I Must Be Of My Fathers Business , He Indicated . [ The Distinction Between Him And His Father .
I'm Should You Can Find More If You Open Your Eyes , Thoughout Your Bible It Speak About Jesus Being The Son Of God , And Not God Himself
What Other Proof Do I Have That Jesus And The Father Are Two Separate Beings ..?
Was Only A Man >> Matthew 1 ; 25 ...... Was Baptized >>>> Matthew 3; 13
Was Tempted >>>> Matthew 4; 1 ...... Slept >>>> Matthew 8 ; 24
Ate >>> Luke 24 ; 42 ...... Hungered >>>> Matthew 21 ; 18
Weakened >>> John 4; 6 .... Said Something He Shouldn't Have John 20; 17
Cried At Lazarus Grave >> John 20; 17
What Is A Trinity ?
The Word For Trinity In Aramic / Hebrew Is Shelesh , And ;; Triad '' It Is Mentioned Only In 1Chronicles 7; 35 And Thalaathatin In Ashuric / Syriac / Arabic Found In The Trinity , Triad , Triple , The Greek Word For Trinity Is Triad ( 1John 5 ; 7 ) . Triad Simply Means Tri Which Means Three ( 3 ) . When You Take Any Three Things And Say They Make Up Any One Thing That Would Be A Trinty , There Is No Way To Have A Trinity Without First Separating Each Of The Three Things Indivdually To Declare Then A Trinity . By That I Mean , You Have To First Establish That There Is A Father One Thing And A Son Another Thing And A Holy Ghost The Thrid Thing , In order For These Things To Totally Mix And Become One Thing . They Would Have To Start Off Equal In Rank , Quantity . Space , Density , Authority , Or Existence . In Admitting That The Son Came From The Father , Time Make The Difference , The Father Would Have To Had Been First , Before The Son . This Would Make Them Unequal And Incapable Of Becoming A Balanced Triad . No It Did Not Mean That When It Said God The Father ,,, God The Son , And God The Holy Ghost = One God .. Because Three Cannot Go Into One .
The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Is Not Alive And The Father Is God Not The Son .. The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Accodring To The Christian Teaching Die At The Age Of 33 , By Saying That He Is '' Alive Again '' Mean God Died Before ????? !!!!!! < Mrs. Nancy > Smileing >> That Make Absolutely No Sense . You Stated Now That He Is Alive Again Forever He Is God . So What You're Saying Is That God Died And Came Back To Life , And At Some Point He Stopped Being God God Is All Existing . And Made It Possible For All Things To Exist . If He '' Dies '' What Do You Think Would Happen To The Rest Of Us . Exactly . We Would All Cease To Exist As Well Because We Are All Apart Of The Heavenly Father . Also , If The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Is God The Who Was He Praying To In Matthew 6 ; 9 - 13 He Says Our Father Who Art In Heaven '' , So He's Not God Or Otherwise He Would've Been Praying To Himself . Let Me Point Out To You That The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Was And Israelite . It Is Common Sense That The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Would Not Violate Such A Powerful Israelite Judaic Command As The Worship Of God Alone ( Exodus 20; 3 - 4 ) By Claiming To Be That Very God Whom He Pray To In Matthew 26 ; 39 .
'' AND HE WENT A LITTLE FARTHER
AND FELL ON HIS FACE AND PRAYED
( SAYING , O FATHER MY FATHER )
Think About It . It Doesn't Make Much Sense For Jesus To Pray To Himself . If Jesus Was God , He Wouldn't Have No Need To PRAY . In Several Quotes In The New Tesament The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Made It Clear That Your Are To Worship God AndNot Him . When He Made Reference To God , He Used The THIRD Person Singular '' Him '' Not The First Person Singular '' Me '' In Luke 4 ; 8 JesusSaysAnd I Quote ;
AND JESUS ANSWER AND SAID
UNTO HIM GET THEE BEHIND ME
SATAN ; FOR IT IS WRITTEN , THOU
SHALT WORSHIP THE LORD THY GOD
AND HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE ''
He Said Worship Him Not Me
In John 4 ; 23 - 24 Jesus States Again In The Red Letter Writting Of Your Bible And I Quote
'' BUT THE HOUR COMETH AND NOW IS WHEN THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS SHALL WORSHIP THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH ; FOR THE FATHER SEEKETH SUCH TO WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH . < He Said Worship Him And Not Me .
And In John 14 ; 10 JesusGive All Praise AndGratitude To His Heavenlt Father And I Quote ;
BELIEVEST THOU NOT THAT I AM IN
THE FATHER , AND THE FATHER IN ME ?
THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU I
SPEAK NOT OF MYSELF ; BUT THE FATHER
THAT DWELLETH IN ME , HEDOETH THE WORKS
He Used The Word He Not Me
No Man's Body Can Contain God , Not If You Mean That He Has The Essence Of His Father In Him , Then All Man Are God's Son And Daughter , Read Genesis 2 ;7 When God Breathe Into Man The Breath Of Life '' And The Lord God Formed Man From The Dust Of The Ground , And Breathed Into His Nostrils The Breath Of Life ; And Man Became A Living Soul . .. However , Getting Back To The Point Whether He Incarnated Or Came Himself There Still Wouldn't Be Any Need For Him To Pray Or Ask For Assistance From Anyone If He Was God , The Creator . Can't You See That ?Not Only Would He Not Need To Pray He Would Have No Desire To Eat Meat
Luke 24 ; 41 , Beg That Death Passes Him Matthew 26 ; 39 , Feared AndRan For His Life John 18 ; 3 Which Means That '' God Has To Run From His Creation . It Seems Like You Totally Ignored All Of These Scriptures And Found One That Sound Good To You , And Built A Whole Doctrine From It . Another Quality That The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Did Not Possess According To Roman 13 ; 1 And
2Corinthians 1 ; 23 Is The Power To Assign The Soul Their Positions In The Hereafter According To The Author Of These 2 Books Which Was Paul . Only The Heavenly Father Possess Such Power . Exalting Jesus Beyond The Truth Is Shown To Be A Form Of Idolatry . Once Again In Matthew 7 ; 21 Jesus Tells People To Do The Will Of The Father . ... In Both Luke 4 ; 8 And Mathew 4; 10 We Come Across An Incident That Clearly Contradicts The Concept Of Jesus Claining Absolute Divinity . According To These Two References Matthew 27 ; 46 And Mark 15 ;34 Jesus Was Put On The Cross Left To Die . Then According To Those Who Believe The Crucifixion Story , At That Time Jesus Cried In A Loud Voice . If Jesus Was God He Would Not Have To Say Any Of These Things In The First Place . How Could You Possibly Forsake Your Ownself ? If HeWas God Or Eli As It Is Used In This Quote , He Would Not Need Consent From Anyone . Overstand ... This Could Not Possibly Be The Words Of A person Who Saw Himself As The The Controller Of All Life And Death Because He Cried Out '' My God '' It Simply Isn't Logical . The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Never Encouraged Anyone To Worship Him Instead , He Taught Others To Worship His Father .. As I Have Just Shown You By Useing The Scripture .
Again Thankyou For Replying
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