Ques ; Does That Mean That The Koran Is Just Portion Copied From The Bible ?

[Ezraarah]

Ques ; Does That Mean That The Koran Is Just Portion Copied From The Bible ? Or Is It A Part Of The Bible ; Or Is It An Extention Of The Bible ?
The New Testament , Injil as the Muslims call it , is a product of the Torah , and The Koran is a product of the Injil . Let me make the clearer . The Koran is A By - Product or A Child of The Torah . The Korah came after the the Torah . The Torah had already given bith to a child called the New Testament . So then the Torah is the Koran's Granfather , All Three Books Are Related ;...
Laws That Can Be Found In The Old Testament , The New Testament And The Korah .
Law Old New Koran
Testament Testament
Sabbath Exodus Luke 4 ; 16 Koran 2 ; 65
31 ; 15
Assoc . Exodus Matthew Koran
Images 20 ; 3 4 ; 10 13; 13
With The
Creator
Obeying Exodus Matthew Koran
Laws 13; 9 - 10 5 ; 17 -18 5 ; 48
Anointing Exodus John Koran
40; 13 9;6,11 3 ; 45
Being Deut Matthew Koran
Tempted 6; 16 4 ; 1 - 11 7 ; 27
Curse Deut Luke Koran
Whoever 27 ; 26 16 ; 17 2; 159
Doesn't
Follow
Fasting Judges Matthew Koran
20 ; 26 4 ; 2 2 ; 196
Prostrate Number Matthew Koran
In Prayer 20 ; 6 26 ; 39 2 ; 173
Not Deut Mark Koran
Eating 14 ; 8 7; 18 -19 2 ; 173
Pork
Intox Levit Luke Koran
Sin 10 ; 9 1 ; 15 2 ; 219
Wearing Exodus Reve Koran
Of White 29 ; 5 -6 3 ; 5 , 7; 9 61 ; 14
Robes
Sacrifice Exodus Reve Koran
Chapter 7 Mark 9 ; 48 5 ; 27
Wearing Levit John Koran
A Beard 19 ; 27 7 ; 19 20 ; 94
These are only some of the laws that were already Established With Moses , And Fulfilled With Jesus And Confirmed With Muhammad
To verify the Koran's Relationship with the New Testament Is a Statement Written In A Pamphlet Entitled '' Christ In Islam '' From A Prominent Muslim Scholar Known As Ahmed Deedat ;
The Quran Absolves Jesus ( Pbuh ) From
All The False Charges Of His Enemies
As Well As The Misplaced Infatuation
Of His Followers, ''
So according to the Muslims the Koran is Suppose to clear up any Misconception that were Interpreted in the Bible without Doubt Koran 2;2 .. So This would mean , The Trinity , The Crucifixion Etc ... Now The Koran Also States That You Should Follow The Scriptures Of Before Koran 10 ; 94 . Now because The New Testament Focused On Yashua , Isa . Jesus Matthew 1 ; 1 And The Koran Focused On Yashua . Isa , Jesus , Koran 19 ; 34 . Then He Is The Character Most Mentioned Within It's Cover < So Is Yashua . Isa . Jesus The God Of The Koran ? > ( So Christian Who Don't Read The Koran On There Own Will Never Know That They Are Saysing The Same Thing And Have The Same Beliefs As The Muslims , And That In Fact , The Koran Is The Book Of Their Expected Comforter In John Chapter 14 , 15 , 16 ,
What Is A ( Muslim ) ? You Will Have Some Muslims Say It Means To Submits To Allahu - Subhaanahu Wa- Ta ' Ala ;...
The Word Muslim Is Derived From The Ashuric Syriac / Arabic Word Salama , Meaning '' To Be Peaceful . '' When You Add The Prefix Mu , Meaning '' One '' You Will Get Muslim , ''' One Who Is Of Peace . '' Obviously Today , Muslims Don't Live Up To That Definition . Like I Have Be Saying For A While The Muslims From The East Are Nothing But Blood Thirsty . Demonized Fanatics Who Will Kill In The Flash Of A Second , Oh By The Way Are Not The True Muslims According To Koran 9 ; 97 And The Muslim History ;..... Don't Believe Me Research ForYourself ;.....What Is Islam ? You Will Have Some Say The Submission To The Will Of Allahu - Sunhaanahu Wa - Ta ' Ala / God ;..... However , The Word Islaam Is Taken From The 5th Of Their God , Allah < As Salaam > Meaning '' The Peace '' Taken From The Ashuric / Syriac / Arabic Root Word ' Salama ' Meaning '' To Have Peace . To Be Peaceful '' Which The Euro - Arab Amd Muslims Greeting ''As - Salaamu - Alaykum '' Meaning '' Peace Be Upon You '' Come From . The Word Salaam Was Derived From The Aramic / Hebrew Word Shalom Meaning '' Peace '' The Religion Islam Is One Of The World's Youngest Religions, Being Established In The 16th Century , 610 A.D. To Be Exact , An Nuwaaubian Moor Arabian Man , Named Muhammad . Islam Is Based On The So - Called Five Pillars Of Faith ... Tawhiyd = The Oneness Of Allahu - Subhaanahu - Wa ' Ta ' Ala 20; 14... 20 ; 1 - 21 ;..... Salaat = Worship 2 ; 43 . 2 ; 40 - 46 ;.... Zakaat = Poor Rate
4; 162 . 4 ; 156 - 170 ;.... Ramadaan = Fasting 2 ; 185 . 2 ; 183 - 188 ;..... Hajj = Pilgriamge 2; 196 , 2 ; 190 - 196 ..Which They Had Stolen And Borrowed From Older Religions Like Judaism And Christianity , Buddhism . ;....
Here A Question You Can Ask A Muslims Why Do They Ignore That There Are Seven Salat Mentioned In The Quran ?
1) Salatul Fajr <> So ( give ) glory to God when yereach eventide and When Ye Rise In The Morning
( The Quran 30 ; 17 ; 17 ; 78 )
2) Salatudh Dhur <> Yea to him be praise , In the heavens and on earth And In The Late Afternoon ( The Quran 30; 18 )
3) Salatul Asr <> Guard strictly your ( habit of ) prayers , Especially The Middle Prayer ( The Quran 2 ; 238 )
4) Salatul Maghrib <> So ( give ) glory to God when Ye reach Eeventide ( The Quran 30 ; 17 )
5) Salatul Ishaa <> And after The Late - Night Prayer ( The Quran 24 ; 58 )
6) Salatul Ishraaq <> Our praises at eventide and at Break Of Day ( TheQuran 38 ; 18 ;.....
7) Salatut Tahajjud <> '' Establish regular prayers at the sun's decline Till TheDarkness Of TheNight ( The Quran 17 ; 78 ) ;....
Part Two Of This E mail Will Be What The True Muslims Believe About The Crucifixion Of Yashua . Isa , Jesus ;....
< Don't Believe Me Research These Things Out ForYourself >

[Jude3b]

The Bible, consisting of the Old Testament and New Testament is the Revelation and Word of God. The thirty-nine books of the Old Testament and the twenty seven books of the New Testament are the sacred Scriptures that are the Word of God.
The Koran is not part of the Bible. Islam views the Jewish Torah and the Christian Gospel (Injil) as Allah's revelation to the pre-Islamic peoples known as Christians and Jews. However, they only believe the parts they agree with.
The prophet Muhammad is said to be the final prophet, and the Qur'an is said to be the final revelation which is thought to clarify and supersede Allah's revelations prior to Islam.
Other religionists, such as the Roman Catholics - with their Popes and Religious traditions and Mormons with their prophet Joseph Smith and their book - the book of Mormon.
The reality is that Islam likes certain verses from the Torah and certain verses from the New Testament - Christian Gospel (Injil) and the ones that their prophet Muhammad and their other teachers don't agree with are disregarded.
The Word of God - the Bible, consisting of the Old and New Testament were completed nearly 600 years before the prophet Muhammad started teaching his doctrines. The prophet Muhammad makes the same mistake that every other religionist makes. He added to the Word of God and took away from the Word of God, to the destruction of those who follow him.

[soulflame]

Doesn't the Quran say to kill all of those who don't renounce their faith and follow Allah? Why would Christians have to renounce there faith if the faith is the same? And why did Jesus say that no man comes to the father by Him? Those contradict what the Quran says about Allah and Mohammed does it not?

[Xavier]

Doesn't the Quran say to kill all of those who don't renounce their faith and follow Allah?

No, it does not. The Hadith has some materials along these lines, but definately not to this extreme (at least in the main sects of Islam).

Why would Christians have to renounce there faith if the faith is the same?

Islam does not hold that Christians have the "same faith", but rather that the Christians hold to monotheism and thus have certain protection under the Quran and the Hadith.

And why did Jesus say that no man comes to the father by Him? Those contradict what the Quran says about Allah and Mohammed does it not?

That would be one contradiction... The list goes on for quite some time. However, its important to note that Muslims view Christianity as a perversion of the truth, and not the other way around (which, of course, I, as a Christian, hold to).

Hope that helps a bit.

Yours,
Xavier

[bar Jonah]

The Injeel says that if the crucifixion and resurrection of the messiah Isa did not happen, then Christianity is complete foolishness, that we have no hope for life after death, and we are to be pitied most among men.

The Koran says Isa was never crucified (and so He certainly was not resurrected from the crucifixion).

Thus, the Koran says we are fools with no hope, and to be pitied most among men.


The Injeel and the Koran are incompatible. They cannot both be true.

[soulflame]

Thanks Xavier...I have another question though for Injeel, doesn't the Hadith or the Quran say something about Christ being a prophet before Mohammed? If so, they assume He told the truth, even about the crucifixion and resurrection..unless they think that when the Bible quotest that that's where the truth is perverted....

[bonoel]

Whereas the Bible is the book of the people, the Koran is the book of their multifarious speeches (languages) recorded in the powerful short-hand notation of the Arabic alphabet!

The Koran is the Corn (seed) of the Bible and its Crown (fruit)! it is described in the two titles of the New Testament: 1 Corinthians 2 Corinthians, which may be interpreted as: One-Koran-the-high-owns, "talk-our"-reign-the-aeons!

Furthermore, it is the Sealed Book, the opening of which forms the central theme of the Book of Revelation!

[bar Jonah]

Why do you try to connect Paul's epistles, when Islam rejects Paul as being a heretic?

Islam praises Peter and James and John. "James the Righteous" ... but "Paul the Liar."


The Koran explicitly states the crucifixion never happened. Paul says if Jesus wasn't crucified and resurrected, then a Christian has no hope for eternal life, at all, and we are the most pitiful people in the world.


So, can you explain what you just said, in light of what Islam and the Koran actually say?

[Xavier]

Thanks Xavier...I have another question though for Injeel, doesn't the Hadith or the Quran say something about Christ being a prophet before Mohammed? If so, they assume He told the truth, even about the crucifixion and resurrection..unless they think that when the Bible quotest that that's where the truth is perverted....

It speaks to the life of Christ, but as Right Idea pointed out. It does contain a version of the Swoon Theory of Christ's death. My best assessment would be that Muslems would believe that Christ was a faithful prophet, but that his story had been embelished by his follows (hense 'perversion' of the truth).

Personally, I find that Moderate Textual Criticism falls against the Islamic claim of perversion.

Yours,
Xavier

[rasha]

First of all, Peace and mercy from Allah be upon you all, this is the Islamic words that we say to salute people and I am saluting you with it.

Secondly, I am a Muslim girl who lives in Egypt --- (MiddleEast), I appreciate very much that you try to search the truth about Islam. In fact there are a lot lot lot of lies about Islam, and I am pleased to participate in this thread to say the truth and NOT to take a certain side (Islamic Side) because I think that it is not because I was born as Muslim then Islam is true but I have to search the truth and I believe that scince QURAN is True , Islam is True.
(proving Quran is the reaveling text from Allah is easy, we may make a seprate thread to this.)

------------Common Points among religions-------------------
If we all believe here that there must be a creator for this universe who is Allah = God, and we believe that there must be a judgement day and life after death and there will be bad and good people, now we have the right to know how to worship Him and this is the responsibility of God which He has to fullfill
(teeling us how to worship Him) and He has fullfilled it by sending prophets to us
Question: how long people have lived on earth? , you can say... calcluate it by centuries. During all those centruies was it enough to send 1, 2 ,3 ,4 ,5 or 6 or more prophets to gude people? ... Must be there was a X number of prophets who have been sent, and alll those prophets MUST have asked people to worship SAME GOD.
Conclusion: It is ONE GOD i.e ONE SOURCE who has sent ALL the prophets to guide people how to worshiip Him.
I need you logic here, is God going to say to Moses something that contradicts what He has said to Christ?!
NEVER ...... Conclusion All relogions come from one source who is Allah thus it is normal that we find COMMON THINGS said by God in Torah = what is said by God in Bible = what is said by God in Quran.
Yes I understand that Bible may say more things than Torah to BUILT ON Torah and Quran says more things to BULIT On Torah and Bible. This does not mean at all that Bible is a copy or potion of Torah and nerver means that Quran is a copy or portion of Torah or Bible.
Yes it is true that we Muslims may conform to some laws in Torah or Bible If there is not a law for it in QURAN
Yes we do a primildge to Allah but this is not a steal From Torah or from Bible, It is the same God who reveales Torah and Bible and Quran Who like people to do primildge for Him during all the centuries people has lived and will live on Earth. This is NOT Stealing It is one COMMON Practice instructed by the SAME CREATOR of earth and SAME REVEALER of all religions

Read the Comming verse from Quran in order to get rid of any confusion to Islamic Main Core:
Suraht Number 2 Verse number 136
"Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma`il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: we make no difference
between one and another of them: and we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

and please be wittness "I believe in God and all His prophets including Moses and Jesus and Mohamed"

The coming statment was said by Ezraarah in this thread:
"So Christian Who Don't Read The Koran On There Own Will Never Know That They Are Saysing The Same Thing And Have The Same Beliefs As The Muslims , And That In Fact , The Koran Is The Book Of Their
Expected Comforter In John Chapter 14 , 15 , 16 , "

I wiil comment this by saying that Muslims believe in Jesus and we believe in him BUT AS a slave and a prophet to Allah EXACTLY THE SAME AS we believe in Mohamed Peace be upon all of them

-----------------------Important Question: Are Muslims terrists
As for the claim that we are in East are bloody thrist. This is NOT TRUE AT ALL. Do not you read in newspaper and hear in news that terriusim exists all over the world which means that EAST and WEST and North and SOUTH people REGARDLESS OF thier RELIGION may perform terrisum?!!!
why is only when Muslims do some wrong we hear claims that all Muslims are terrists and Islam is bad.


Who had ever said that ISLAM say People of other relgion must be killed?????????????????
This is a BIG BIg Big Big Big ....... LIE
Read this suraht of Quran: ---- Suraht Number 109 Chapter 30
This surhat was directed to those who do not belive in god or worship something other than HIM:
"Say: O ye that reject Faith! - I worship not that which ye worship, - Nor will ye worship that which I worship.- And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, - Nor will ye worship that which I worship. -
To you be your Way, and to me mine."

Have you read the LAST VERSE The vers Clears to Muslims that those who do not belive in God by Himself or worship something other than HIM has there own way and Muslims have another way. He did not instruct us to kill Them

------------Comments===
The following statment was written by Ezraarah in the thread by
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What Is Islam ? You Will Have Some Say The Submission To The Will Of Allahu - Sunhaanahu Wa - Ta ' Ala / God
;..... However , The Word Islaam Is Taken From The 5th Of Their God , Allah < As Salaam >
Meaning '' The Peace '' Taken From The Ashuric / Syriac / Arabic Root Word ' Salama ' Meaning '' To Have Peace
. To Be Peaceful '' Which The Euro - Arab Amd Muslims Greeting ''As - Salaamu - Alaykum '' Meaning '' Peace
Be Upon You '' Come From . The Word Salaam Was Derived From The Aramic / Hebrew Word Shalom Meaning ''
Peace '' "
Comment by me:
Islam is The Submission To The Will Of Allahu ................ and it is derived from the Arabic verb 'Yoslem' and as for the name of god 'As Salaam' yes God is named in Islam 'As Salaam' but also He praise to Him has other 98 -- ninety eight names in islam.i.e He has 99 names.

Please read the translation of verses 130- 131 out of suraht Number 2
"And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: and he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous. -----
Behold! his Lord said to him: "Bow (thy will to Me):" he said: "I bow (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe."

Have you read the last 2 lines which are verse number 131
Abraham (Peace be upon him) has Bow (will): to Allah. I think this is so clear.
-------------Answers for questions:
The following question was posted on this tread:
Why Do They Ignore That There Are Seven Salat Mentioned In The Quran ?
) Salatul Fajr <> So ( give ) glory to God when yereach eventide and When Ye Rise In The Morning
( The Quran 30 ; 17 ; 17 ; 78 )
2) Salatudh Dhur <> Yea to him be praise , In the heavens and on earth And In The Late Afternoon ( The Quran 30; 18 )
3) Salatul Asr <> Guard strictly your ( habit of ) prayers , Especially The Middle Prayer ( The Quran 2 ; 238 )
4) Salatul Maghrib <> So ( give ) glory to God when Ye reach Eeventide ( The Quran 30 ; 17 )
5) Salatul Ishaa <> And after The Late - Night Prayer ( The Quran 24 ; 58 )
6) Salatul Ishraaq <> Our praises at eventide and at Break Of Day ( TheQuran 38 ; 18 ;.....
7) Salatut Tahajjud <> '' Establish regular prayers at the sun's decline Till TheDarkness Of TheNight ( The Quran 17 ; 78 ) ;....
Answer: Who said that any muslim can deny any word in the Quran but listen out of these seven prayers
there are 5 (the first 5) which are obligatory by day i.e MUST BE PRAYED EVERY DAY and the other 2 (the last 2)
are recommended prayers that any Musilm can DO or NOt daily or weekly or yearlly or whatever He/ She wants.

Finall I hope I have cleared misunderstood points.
Thanks to all of you

[heaven]

Dear Rasha:

I believe in God, Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth of all that is seen and unseen, and I believe in Jesus
Christ, His only son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, was born of the
Virgen Mary,suffered under Pontius Pilat, was crucified, died and was buried. On the third day He rose again in
fulfillment of the scriptures. He shall come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and
His kingdom shall kinow no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,who proceeds from the Father, with the Father and Son He
is worshipped and glorified.............................................................I believe in
one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, the ressurection of the dead and life ever
lasting...Amen
The vague references to Matthewand the Koran in this context have no meaning.

You claim God has no son!

Please read the gospel of John...."In the beginning was the Word and the Word was
with God and the Word was God.................Jesus is the Word.

In the giving of the law,please note that no murderers, idolators, slanderers and so
forth shall enter the kingdom of God.

Unless you be borne again, you cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus said,"To know me is to know the Father".

Do you know Jesus, are you born again?

[BlackOpal12]

Rasha, as you have offered greeting, I believe it is only proper that I offer you thusly, walaikum salaam.

Heaven, might I ask why it is you have issued a proclamation of faith as a parallel to a simple greeting? It seems rather presumptuous. Granted, from a non-Islamic viewpoint, the simple translation of Salaam Walaikum might seem presumptuous - but in truth, it is no more than a different language's version of "God be with You," which is a common Christian saying - indeed, a much more appropriate response to Rasha's simple greeting in the spirit of goodwill.

Also, you must understand that all your evangelical bleating is in vain - by her own admission, she is Muslim, and by that distinction, there is no intrinsic validity of the Christian bible over the Holy Qur'an.

If you want to evangelize and convert someone, then the Islam discussion board is probably not the wisest place to attempt to do so - much less attempting to do so while ignoring the contextual invalidity of your argument.

If I'm wrong, then allow me to ask you:
Have you taken the 3 Refuges? If not, you have defied the teachings of the Enlightened One, and have damned yourself to rebirth in the suffering world. If you don't think that my point has any validity, then maybe you'll realize that your point is just as valid as mine in Rasha's eyes. You're spitting into the wind... all you get is facefull of your own saliva.

The Opal