The Whole Crucifixion Story Was A Play Created By Joseph Flavius Piso ,

[Ezraarah]

Which I Will Elaborate Further On Within The E mail . He God His Idea From The 2nd Psalms Written By A Chief Magician Upon Aigeleth Shahar A Psalm Of David They Call It '' Anguish And Praise '' They Refer To This As A Psalm Of David . Remember That The Psalms Were Revealed In Jerusalem To King David ...
( 73 Books ) Solomon ( 2Books ) And Asaph ( 12Books ) Koran ( 12 Books )Ethan
( 1Book ) Moses ( 1Book ) And Heman ( 1Book ) Around 1037 B.C.E. This Book Of Songs For What Psalms Mean . Consist Of 150 Different Songs Grouped Into Five Collections .
The First Collections; Psalm 1 - 41
The Second Collection ; Psalms 42 - 47
The Third Collection ; Psalsm 73 - 89
The Fourth Collection ; Psalsm 90 - 106 And
The Fifth Collections ; Psalsm 107 - 150
The Fact That The Book Of Psalms Is Broken Up Into The Five Scrolls Or Sections Is Why They HAave Been Called The Five Books Of David . You Have 5 Books Of The Old Testament Which Are What The Torah Is Made Out . Genesis , Exodus , Leviticus , Number , AndDeutrtonmomy , Then You Have These Psalms Broken Up Into Five Books Also And Many Different Authors Took Part In The WrittegOf These 150 Psalms . , All Of A Suddden This Story , Wich Daites Bacxk That Far . Ennds Up The Nrw Testamem Matthew 27 ; 46 Read Psalms Psalm 22 Yourself And You Will See It , And About The 9th Hour Jesus Cried With A Loud Voice Saying < '' Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani > That Is To Say My God My God Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me . Now This Was In The Book Of Matthews In The New Testament . The Book Of Matthews Was Reavealed In 41 A.D Called The Gospel Of The Good News According To Matthew Matthew Himself In The Bible , In Matthews Chapter 9 ; 9 Becomes A Contradiction . < Obviously By This Statement In Matthew 9 ; 9 Matthew Couldn't Have Written The Book Of Matthew Or The Quote Would Have Read He Saw Me , A Man Name Matthew . Matthew Was A Tax Collector Matthew 9 ; 9 . In Luke 5 ; 27 - 32 Matthew Threw A Banquet Or Party For Jesus , And This Is Before He Became One Of Jesus ' Disciples . Matthew 17 ; 24
That Is How Long This Event Was Found Of The Crucifixion And It Was Recorded By Someone Other Than Matthew . The Next Thing They Should Notice Is That Matthew 1 ; 1 Starts Off With A Lie Read It .... It Starts From That Point On And Gives You A Whole Line Of It Being Joseph Blood Line It Says MaTTHEW 1 ; 16
In Fact That Matthew Didn't Write The Book Himself , And The Time After The Actual Event That The Book Was Recorded Shows The Inconsistency Of Matthew Alone And How He Was Liar , My Point Being That These Writings Were Plagarized From The Hebraic Writings Of The 22 Psalms Which Begins '' My God My God Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me ? Make Note That When This Verse , From Psalms 22 Was Being Copied Or Plagarized For The New Testament Matthew 27 ; 46 .. They Intentionally Did Not Put The Full Verse In From Psalms 22; 1 .. And The Hebrew Word Used For Roaring Is Sheagah , Sheh - Aw Gaw ,, Under Strong # 07581 Meaning A Rumbling Or Moan ; -- Roaring . From Gav Sha'ag , Shaw- Ag ;, A Primitive Root , To Rumble Or Moam ; -- Mightily , Roar . You Must Ask Yourself At This Point , Why Would The Recorder Of Matthew Leave That Part Out ? The Answer Is Quite Simple How Could They Pass This Man Off On The Cross . Jesus Christ . As God Himself In Flesh Or God Incarnate AndHave Him Say And That '' Oh My God , I Cry In The Day Time But Thou Heareth Not ; And In The Night Season And Am Not Silent That Is Verse 2 ... But They Had A Specific Time Mentioned In Matthew 27 ; 46 The 9th Hour , According To Them , They Were Tring To Get The Crucifixion Done Before The Sabbath Came In .. But That Is Not In The Original Story . The Original Story Uses Day And Night , And This Individual In Psalms 22 , Is Implying That God Is Far Away From Him , This Is What He Says Out Of His Own Mouth , But You Don't Hear Me '' Or In Biblical Words But Thou Heareth Not . It Will Be HAard For Them To Maake This The Son Of God Who Was Crucified At The 9th Hour Before The Sabbath , If They Would Have Used The Full Verse And Chapter , They Would Have To Explain The Daytime Under Strong # 03119 Yowmam < > Yo - Mawm From # 3117 Daily ; - -- Daily ( By , In The Day - Time . A Common Word For During The Daylight Hours . And Ereb , En - Reb .
( Strong # 06153 From # 6150 Dusk ; -- + Day , Even ( - Ing , Tide ) The Word Night Comes From Strong # 03915 Layil . Lah - Yil ( Isa , 21 ; 11 ) Leyl ; Also Laylah
( Lah ; - Yel - Aw ) ; From The Same As # 3883 ; 03883 Luwl Properly . A Twist ( Away Of The Light ) I.E. Night ; Figuratively Adversity ; --( Mid . ) Night ( Season ) So It Is Clear In The 22nd Psalms That This Person Suffering . This Person Crying Out To God As '' My God '' Is Talking About Something He Does During The Daytime And In The Night Season . And That He Doesn't Ever Stop Crying . In His Own Words He Says '' And I Am Not Silent . This Does Not Match Up With What They Call The Messiah Prophecy '' Which Starts Off In Matthew 27; 46 Which Says And About The 9th Hour Jesus Cried With A Loud Voice . This Could Not Have Been Based On Psalms 22 The Story Of Jesus Christ Crucifixion . Somebody Borrowed The Words From The 22nd Chapter Tells Them What's Going To Happen To Them For Doing That , Talking One Portion And Ignoring The Other To Make Their Own Point ? Notice The Two Quote Number , Revelation 22 And Psalms 22 , Revelation 22; 19 , Also In The Book Of Matthew 5 ; 18 , Either That Is A Reference To The Book Of Revelation And Matthew Only Or It Apples To The Whole Bible And That Would Render The Author Of Matthew Guity , But I' m Not Finished As You Read On From Verse 2 To Verse 3 Of Psalms 22 .. < Stop >
Lets LQQK At Verse 4 Here . This Could Not Be Jesus By The Statement '' Our Father Trusted In Thee , They Trusted And You Dids Deliver Them '' Jesus Would Say Because He Would Be Talking To God '' My Father Our Ancestors Trusted You They Trusted And You Delivered Them '' Speaking Out Of The Hands Or Either The Babylonians Or The Egiptians . But That Is Not What Is Said Here . This Person Here Does Not Identify Himself As The Son Of God And No Way Could That Be Mistaken For Jesus Christ . Psalms 22 ; 5 - 6 . You're Telling Me That Jesus Christ The Son Of God , In This Prophecy About Himself While Suffering On The Cross Says To God , '' I Am A Worm ... Jesus Calls Himself A Worm Or Maggot , And No Man , Psalms 22; 7 - 8 You See Another Portion That Who Ever Authored The Book Of Matthew Stole . Where Is Your God That He Is Being Challenged ? Matthew 27 ; 40 , Mattew 27; 42 , Mark 15 ; 30 , Mark 15 ; 32
You Get The Hint There Of How That Was Borrowed From Psalms With A Little Addition And A Little Extra Coloring . It Continues On To Say ; Psalms 22 ; 9
Again He Is Speaking To God , Saying You Delivered Me At Birth . Again You Find A Hint Toward Gods Intervention Towards The Birth Of This Individual Or A Special Kind Of Birth By The Hands Of God Like They Do With Jesus Where They Got It From
Psalms 22 ; 10 - 11 , ... Psalms 22 ; 1 , This Was Suppose To Be After The Trouble And He Was On The Cross Getting Ready To Give Up The Ghost HisDarkest Hour ,
Trouble Would Be Near When They Were Approaching The Garden To Get Jesus . That's When Then Would Be Near , When They Were Suppose To Betray Jesus With , A Kiss . Not Trouble Is Near . This Could Not Have Been Jesus Christ . He Then Continues On In Psalms 22; 11 And Say ; For There Is None To Help '' Then In
Psalms 22 ; 12 It States ; Many Bulls Have Compassed Me . Not Compass , But Like Encircle Me . Nowhere In The History Of The New Testament Have Bulls Circled Jesus . The Word There In Hebrew For Bull Is < Par > Or Par [ Pawr ] There Is No Record For Jesus Ever Being Surrounded By Bull . Again I Repeat This Is Not Talking About Jesus ! And Don't Tell Me It's Symbolism . Psalms 22; 12 , Note That In Verse 12 It Mentioned A Place Called '' Bashan '' Under Strong # 01316 Aramic > Bashan Baw - Shawn ' , Which Is A Region East Of The Jordan . This Is Not At Golgotha ( Matthew 27; 33 ) Where The Cross Of Jesus Is Suppose To Be Standing . This Is Another Whole Place Being Mentioned Another Contradiction !
Matthew 27 ; 33 , < Are You Gether The '' Jest '' ( Idea ) Of What I Am Trying To Say Here , This Was Not Where Jesus Was Supposed To Have Been Crucifed . This Is A Different Place . This Man Was Surrounded By Bulls In A Different Place . >
Psalms 22 ; 13 No Animals Surrounded Jesus ' Cross . Opening TheirMouths Like Lions And Roaring And Tearing At Him Which Is What That Verse Implies . Psalms 22; 14 . This Has Nothing To Do With The Crucifixion Of Jesus But You Can See The Different Parts , Where They Stole It From AndIts Alluded To . The Stabbing Of The Side AndThe Wine . But It Is Talking More About Judas Who Was Thrown Off The Cliff And His Body Burst Asunder ( Acts 1; 18 ) < It Get Even Deeper Psalms 22;15
This Man Here Is About To Die . The Dust Of Death Means The Dawn Of Death . Death Is About To Approach Him Like The Sun Coming Up In The Morning . There Has Been No Mention Of A Crucifixion Here Yet . In Psalms 22 But So Far This Story Has No Tie To Jesus Christ New Testament Story Of The Crucifixion Other Than Eluded To It Or Borrowed From It , Psalms 22; 16 Now We Are Talking About A Crucifixion In The Book Of Psalms Of Someone And It Could Not Have Been Jesus According To The Rest Of The Story . Psalms 22 ; 17 He Is Telling Them That Now They Have Pierced Him Through The Hands And Feet , The People Are Staring Up Because They Could See His Bones Sticking Out . Psalms 22 ; 18 - 20 ..
This Man Is LQQKING To Survive , That Is Not What Jesus Said On The Cross '' Father Its Over It Is Done '' This Verse Said For God Not To Stay Too Far So He Could Rescue Him , He's Going To Reiterate In The Next Couple Of Verse Psalms 22; 20 .. Psalm 22; 2 .. NowTheMythological Creature Exist , And God Hears Him From TheHorns Of The Unicorn Jesus Never Said None Of This . Note That This Is Not The Only Place This Mythological Creature Appears In The Bible . Unicorn Is Also Mentioned In The Following Verse , Job 39 ; 9 -10 , Psalms 29 ; 6 .. Psalms 92; 10 .. Psalms 22; 22 - 24 , From Psalms 22; 24 - 31 He Reiterates How He Would Be Alive Later . And How He Is Calling People To Praise . What Do You Think Is The Psalms That Follows It . None Other Than The 23rd Psalms . The Short 6 Verse From The Man Who Was Just Crucified And Allowed To Live , Had His Soul Restored . The Man Who Was Walking Through The Valley Through The Shadow Of Death And Feared No Evil Because God Was With Him 23 Psalms Support The Incident . How Could It Possibly Repeat The Same Exact Say Words My God , My God Why Has Thou Forsaken Me '' And When You Go To Matthew 27 ; 1 . They Are Talking About The Next Moring . Matthew 27 ; 1 - 2 , The Mocking Of The Soldiers , The Casting Of Lots , Stripping Of His Robe , In Matthew 27; 27 - 28 , Yelling Out '' Let Him Be Crucified '' In Verse 22 . Talking About Him Bearing And Carrying A Cross In Verse 32 In Golgotha . Verse 35 How They Cast Lots . Verse 36 , They Sat Down And Watched Him Verse 39 '' And They That Passed By Regiled Him Wagging Their Heads '' From Psalms 22; 7 . Matthew 27; 43 , Psalms 22 ; 8 , Matthew 27 ; 50 The Breath Of What John 1 ; 1 In The Beginning Was The Word And The Word Was With God , AndThe Word Was God < Jesus Died At This Point According To Them > This Whole Thing May Come As A Shock With Some Of You . Other Of You Will Say '' This Can't Be True '' ( These People Have What Is Called Tunnel Vision And Blind Faith ) However , In Your Bible According To John 8 ; 32 That Is Free Of The Lies And Misnterpretations . <The Hyped Up Comm,entaries , Alterations , Word Maniplations , Poor Translations . And Out Right Lies To Keep You Mentally In Prison From The Truth
So What Is The Symbolism Of The 9th Hour Or The Crucifixion ?
According To Luke 23 ; 44 - 45 That The Sun / Son Had Died And So There Was Darkness . And LQQK How Many Hours This Lasted For ; Three . The Same Story Of Darkness At Their Death Was Told By The Hindus Of Khrishna , The Buddha , The Greeks Or Hercules The Mexicans Or Quetzalcoatl . And Infinitum , Lomg Before Jesus . When He Die . Jesus Descended Into Hell , Just Like The Earlier Krishna , Zoroaster , Osiris . Horus . Adonis / Tammuz , Bacchus , Hercules , Mercury And So On . He Then Rose From The Dead Like The Earlier Krishna , Buddha , Zoroaster , Adonis / Tammuz , Osiris , Mithra , Hercules , And Balder . Jesus Was Symbolically Crucified At Easter Because This Is The Spring Equinox When The Sun ( Jesus ) Enters . The Astrological Sign Of Aries , The Ram Or The Lamb . The Lamb In The Book Of Revelation Is The Same Symbol As Found In Chapter 22 ; 3 .

[Bib Lit Major]

I'm not even going to take the time to read this...if the crucifixion was a play made by Josephus...why is it not in Josephus? Also, why are the basics of the crucifixion found in Paul around 40-50 years prior to Josephus' writing?

[jason]

:lolo:

[Ezraarah]

I'm not even going to take the time to read this...if the crucifixion was a play made by Josephus...why is it not in Josephus? Also, why are the basics of the crucifixion found in Paul around 40-50 years prior to Josephus' writing?
I OverStand Don't Step Into AnyThing Can't BackUp With Scriptures , By The Way The Deceiver Paul Can't Help You With This One . If You Read Any Of The Deceiver Paul Letter . You Can Tell Paul Wanted To Be Yashua , [ Letter's Are Not Scripture , These Letter Were Sent To Diffrent Churchs And Now People Like You Are Calling These Lettle The Words Of The Creator . What A Joke

[Em7add11]

Looks like Xavier has his work cut out for him on this thread. :lol:

[Bib Lit Major]

I OverStand Don't Step Into AnyThing Can't BackUp With Scriptures , By The Way The Deceiver Paul Can't Help You With This One . If You Read Any Of The Deceiver Paul Letter . You Can Tell Paul Wanted To Be Yashua , [ Letter's Are Not Scripture , These Letter Were Sent To Diffrent Churchs And Now People Like You Are Calling These Lettle The Words Of The Creator . What A Joke

Regardless of whether or not you believe Paul is authoritative...the simple fact is, deciever or no deciever, he mentions the crucifixion 40 or 50 years before Josephus, thus, you're wrong in saying Josephus made it.

Nice try at changing the subject though...

By the way, if letters are not Scripture then your namesake, Ezra is not Scripture since it has letters in it, I believe.

[Dave G]

I do not think he overstands.

[Ezraarah]

Xavier Is A Joke She Has You Fool . She Even Think There No Contradiction In The Bible , That In It's Self Proves She Know Nothing . She Calls Her Self Translateing People Post But Never Answer Them ... Let's See How She Answer This One Useing Chapter & Verse . Her Socalled English Translation Wont Get Her Out Of This One ..Remember Chapter & Verse ... ...

[jason]

I OverStand Don't Step Into AnyThing Can't BackUp With Scriptures , By The Way The Deceiver Paul Can't Help You With This One . If You Read Any Of The Deceiver Paul Letter . You Can Tell Paul Wanted To Be Yashua , [ Letter's Are Not Scripture , These Letter Were Sent To Diffrent Churchs And Now People Like You Are Calling These Lettle The Words Of The Creator . What A Joke:lolo:

You know we really need a smiley that is shooting up and then bouncing around out of his mind.

Jason

[Xavier]

Oooooooooooo... I've been called out...

Xavier Is A Joke Translation: Xavier is a Joke...

Commentary: Yes, that's the point... I'm playing you against yourself to show your abserdity... THESE TRANSLATIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY...

She Has You Fool . Translation: She has you fool[ed].

Commentary: 1) I'm a HE... MALE... Get the little penguin in my Header... :bonk:

2) See that Orange in my name... I'm in the leadership for this site... I didn't get there by being an ignoramus...

She Even Think There No Contradiction In The Bible , That In It's Self Proves She Know Nothing . Translation: She even think[s] there [are] no contradiction[s] in the Bible... That in itself proves she knows nothing...

Commentary: Most Christians around here hold to the SAME THING... :rock:

She Calls Her Self Translateing People Post But Never Answer Them ... Translation: She call[s] her self-translating people post[s], but never answer[s] them...

Commentary: Actually, I have several times... YOU JUST CANNOT READ... :poke:

Let's See How She Answer This One Useing Chapter & Verse. Translation: Let's see how she answer[s] this one using chapter and verse.

Commentary: Pearls before Swine, Ez. Any scripture I point out will instantly be called false. I've got better things to do than give answers to someone with their ears (eyes) closed.

Her Socalled English Translation Wont Get Her Out Of This One ..Remember Chapter & Verse ... ... Translation: Her So-Called English Translation won't get her out of this one... Remember Chapter and Verse...

Commentary: Actually it will... :teeth:

Final Thought: Ez, if you actually are reading this, you pick out THREE (3) scriptures that you call "contradictions" in the crucifixion story, and I will answer. Do not cut and paste... I want them presented in your own words.

Yours,
Xavier

[truthman]

ingoramusSee Xavier She Nots True LeadersHi[ cAN't Even Sepll Ignoramus 2Don't bElieve Paul Heretic

[Xavier]

See Xavier She Nots True LeadersHi[ cAN't Even Sepll Ignoramus 2Don't bElieve Paul Heretic
Blasted Keyboard... That's what I get...

[truthman]

ummm, my post was ultimately a mockery of Ez's poor formatting skills, I was just using your misspelled word as a launching pad to have a little fun

no harm intended to you

truthman

[Xavier]

ummm, my post was ultimately a mockery of Ez's poor formatting skills, I was just using your misspelled word as a launching pad to have a little fun

no harm intended to you

truthman No probs... I thought it was funny... :smile:

EDIT to ADD -- A Bit of Irony... I just got T-man's original post in my email... :hehe:

[truthman]

it would be harD for you to harm me with your petty little blackmail scheme :grin:

poor ez, we are so off topic

[Xavier]

it would be harD for you to harm me with your petty little blackmail scheme :grin:
Don't be so sure... :grin:<Insert Most Evil-Looking Smilie>

[Bib Lit Major]

Xavier Is A Joke She Has You Fool . She Even Think There No Contradiction In The Bible , That In It's Self Proves She Know Nothing . She Calls Her Self Translateing People Post But Never Answer Them ... Let's See How She Answer This One Useing Chapter & Verse . Her Socalled English Translation Wont Get Her Out Of This One ..Remember Chapter & Verse ... ...


Ezra...you keep talking about Xavier dodging your questions but your aren't answering my arguments. First you tried to go off on Paul when that doesn't even really matter and now you're trying to derail the conversation on Xavier who wasn't even in this thread until after you wrote that.

Answer my points or admit you're wrong. Those are your options.

[Xavier]

I'm such a bad influence... :frown:

[Bib Lit Major]

Lol

[Ezraarah]

It Funny How You Play On Words ..If You Read What I Post You Would See The Whole Crucifixion Story Was A Fake Like You . I Knew You Wouldn't Even Try To Translate This One , With Your Lucifferian English Translation . Answering Question With A Question .. And Old Trick .. Nexit I'm Going To Show You The Contradiction In The In The Scripture ... Laughing

[jason]

It Funny How You Play On Words ..If You Read What I Post You Would See The Whole Crucifixion Story Was A Fake Like You . I Knew You Wouldn't Even Try To Translate This One , With Your Lucifferian English Translation . Answering Question With A Question .. And Old Trick .. Nexit I'm Going To Show You The Contradiction In The In The Scripture ... Laughing:lolo:

Jason

P.S.

:lolo:

[JCA]

Alright.. I couldn't sit back and not say something.. I'm totally curious now as to what a "Lucifferian" is.

Now, knowing some on the board, I can imagine they will immediately relate tham to "Rastafarians", as they think think marijuana is Lucifer's creation anyway, but I wonder if I have it right. DO they wear a distinguishing badge, or have special hand shakes so we can recognize them?

Sheesh.. here a sect, there a sect, everywhere a new sect.. I can't keep up..


:popcorn:

[Esther]

Alright.. I couldn't sit back and not say something.. I'm totally curious now as to what a "Lucifferian" is.

Now, knowing some on the board, I can imagine they will immediately relate tham to "Rastafarians", as they think think marijuana is Lucifer's creation anyway, but I wonder if I have it right. DO they wear a distinguishing badge, or have special hand shakes so we can recognize them?

Sheesh.. here a sect, there a sect, everywhere a new sect.. I can't keep up..


:popcorn:

I thought it was an extreme-KJO's reference to the use of the NIV or NASB. :nsm:

That Josephus was quite the clever guy to be able to write such a play with such detail and to cover so many bases historically to make it seem real. Makes Shakespeare look like a real moron.

[Christianotaku]

ok since he cant seem to get it ill retranslate this response to ezeriahn...

RegardLess Of WheTher Or NoT You BelieVe Paul Is AuthOritatIveThe SimPle FacT Is, DeciEver Or No DeciEver He MenTionS ThE CruciFixioN 40 Or 50 YeaRs BeFore JosEphUs Thus YouRe WroNg In SayinG JosePHus MaDe It.

[Xavier]

It Funny How You Play On Words ..
Translation: It [is] funny how you play on/(with?) words

Commentary: Not sure if "on" or "with" was the intending meaning... As for playing with words, It's fun isn't it... :teeth:

If You Read What I Post You Would See The Whole Crucifixion Story Was A Fake Like You .
Translation: If you read what I post[ed][,] you would see [that] that whole Crucifixion story was a fake like you...

Commentary: I'm not a fake and neither is the Crucifixion. You, however, were created by King Neferti of the disposed line of French Kings. You and your ramblings are an insane attempt by a madman to rule the world. I would write a whole post worth of "proof" but I've got better things to do.

I Knew You Wouldn't Even Try To Translate This One , With Your Lucifferian English Translation.
Translation: I knew you wouldn't even try to translate this one with your Luciferian English Translation.

Commentary: Lucifierian actually only has ONE F in it... And the cross in the header might be a clue as to why I'm not a Luciferian.

Answering Question With A Question .. And Old Trick ..
Answering [a] question with a question... An old trick...

Commentary: Certainly... I don't have time to go through your "conspiracy" garbage to refute any of it. That's why I asked you for 3 points. I'll happly refute every last one of those 3 that you present.

Nexit I'm Going To Show You The Contradiction In The In The Scripture ... Laughing
Next[,] I'm going to show you the contradiction in the scripture[s]... <Laughing>

Commentary: I can't wait... :ahem:... :rofl:

Yours,
Xavier

This translation from the Book of Ezraarah, LET. Copyright (c) 2004 by Xavier Scholarship Press. All Rights Reserved.

[Bib Lit Major]

Alright.. I couldn't sit back and not say something.. I'm totally curious now as to what a "Lucifferian" is.

Now, knowing some on the board, I can imagine they will immediately relate tham to "Rastafarians", as they think think marijuana is Lucifer's creation anyway, but I wonder if I have it right. DO they wear a distinguishing badge, or have special hand shakes so we can recognize them?

Sheesh.. here a sect, there a sect, everywhere a new sect.. I can't keep up..


:popcorn:

Actually, Ezra has come up with this wacked out etymology of the word "English" which somehow connects it to Lucifer. See the "What is the origin of the word 'Christ'" thread.

[Bib Lit Major]

Ezra...I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge my points against you.

BTW...Yeshua actually answered questions with questions, so I guess we can't help it if we argue like the Master.

[AcousticJS]

I think this is the first time I've genuinely been tempted to put someone on ignore...

[Apologia Xristou]

Hello Ezraarah,

I hope my comments/questions will be helpful in clearing up some misinformation.

The Whole Crucifixion Story Was A Play Created By Joseph Flavius Piso ,
What is the evidence for this claim? Is there historical documentation stating Joseph Flavius Piso created this play?


Which I Will Elaborate Further On Within The E mail .


The majority of your arguments strongly depend upon the pre-supposition that the Gospel accounts of the crucifixion are ficticious. Your arguments can be summarized as follows: 1. The gospel crucifixion accounts were created by Joseph Flavius Piso. 2. Therefore, Joseph Flavius Piso must have plagiarized from an earlier source, such as the book of Psalms 3. The information recorded in the book of Psalms correlates with the crucifixion accounts so the crucifixion accounts must have been based on the contents of the book of Psalms.


He God His Idea From The 2nd Psalms


What is the evidence for this claim?? Also, do you mean “The 22nd Psalm”?

Written By A Chief Magician Upon Aigeleth Shahar


What is the proof for this claim??

Psalm 22 is believed to have been written by David.

I am not certain I am following your logic here.




Also, the term “Aigeleth Shahar” means hind (deer) of the dawn. Scholars believe “Aigeleth Shahar” was probably the tune to which Psalm 22 was sung. Other scholars believe “Aigeleth Shahar” may have been the name of a musical instrument or an allegorical allusion to the topic of the psalm.

[Apologia Xristou]

continued....




Aijeleth Shahar



( j´ l th sh ´här) (KEY (http://www.bartleby.com/65/12.html)) , superscription of Psalm 22, probably the tune to which it was to be sung, named from the first words of some other verse set to it. Other superscriptions of similar explanation are: Al-taschith (Psalms 57, 58, 59, and 75), Jonath-elem-rechokim (56), Mahalath (53), Mahalath Leannoth (88), Shoshannim (45 and 69), Shoshannim-Eduth (80), and Shushan-eduth (60)” (http://www.bartleby.com/65/ai/Aijeleth.html (http://www.bartleby.com/65/ai/Aijeleth.html)).





“Aijeleth Shahar



(ăj´elĕth shā´här) , superscription of Psalm 22, probably the tune to which it was to be sung, named from the first words of some other verse set to it. Other superscriptions of similar explanation are: Al-taschith (Psalms 57, 58, 59, and 75), Jonath-elem-rechokim (56), Mahalath (53), Mahalath Leannoth (88), Shoshannim (45 and 69), Shoshannim-Eduth (80), and Shushan-eduth (60)” (http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/A/Aijeleth.asp (http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/A/Aijeleth.asp)).







“:Aijeleth Shahar - hind of the dawn, a name found in the title of Ps. 22. It is probably the name of some song or tune to the measure of which the psalm was to be chanted. Some, however, understand by the name some instrument of music, or an allegorical allusion to the subject of the psalm” (http://www.free-definition.com/Aijeleth-Shahar.html (http://www.free-definition.com/Aijeleth-Shahar.html)).





A Psalm Of David They Call It '' Anguish And Praise '' They Refer To This As A Psalm Of David .
False. Psalm 2 is entitled “God’s Promise to His Anointed.”



Remember That The Psalms Were Revealed In Jerusalem To King David ...
( 73 Books ) Solomon ( 2Books ) And Asaph ( 12Books ) Koran ( 12 Books )Ethan
( 1Book ) Moses ( 1Book ) And Heman ( 1Book ) Around 1037 B.C.E. This Book Of Songs For What Psalms Mean . Consist Of 150 Different Songs Grouped Into Five Collections .
The First Collections; Psalm 1 - 41
The Second Collection ; Psalms 42 - 47
The Third Collection ; Psalsm 73 - 89
The Fourth Collection ; Psalsm 90 - 106 And
The Fifth Collections ; Psalsm 107 - 150
The Fact That The Book Of Psalms Is Broken Up Into The Five Scrolls Or Sections Is Why They HAave Been Called The Five Books Of David . You Have 5 Books Of The Old Testament Which Are What The Torah Is Made Out . Genesis , Exodus , Leviticus , Number , AndDeutrtonmomy , Then You Have These Psalms Broken Up Into Five Books Also And Many Different Authors Took Part In The WrittegOf These 150 Psalms . ,

True.

[Apologia Xristou]

continued....





All Of A Suddden This Story,

Where is the story located?? Psalm 22 is a psalm of praise to God.





Wich Daites Bacxk That Far

So what?



Ennds Up The Nrw Testamem Matthew 27 ; 46

So what?



Read Psalms Psalm 22 Yourself And You Will See It,
Pslam 22 certainly could be prophetic of events in Jesus’ life.



And About The 9th Hour Jesus Cried With A Loud Voice Saying < '' Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani > That Is To Say My God My God Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me . Now This Was In The Book Of Matthews In The New Testament.

True.

[Apologia Xristou]

continued....


The Book Of Matthews Was Reavealed In 41 A.D.
What is the source of this information???



Called The Gospel Of The Good News According To Matthew Matthew Himself In The Bible,
It is indeed known as the Gospel According to Matthew.


In Matthews Chapter 9 ; 9 Becomes A Contradiction



Not necessarily.





. < Obviously By This Statement In Matthew 9 ; 9 Matthew Couldn't Have Written The Book Of Matthew Or The Quote Would Have Read He Saw Me


Is it not possible he could have written from the third person perspective?





, A Man Name Matthew . Matthew Was A Tax Collector Matthew 9 ; 9 .

True.





In Luke 5 ; 27 - 32 Matthew Threw A Banquet Or Party For Jesus,







True.

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Luke 5:27-32 states “After this he went out and saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax booth; and he said to him, “Follow me.” And he got up, left everything, and followed him. Then Levi gave a great banquet for him in his house; and there was a large crowd of tax collectors and others sitting at the table with them. The Pharisees and their scribes were complaining to his disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?” Jesus answered, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick; I have come to call not the righteous but sinners to repent.”



And This Is Before He Became One Of Jesus ' Disciples . Matthew 17 ; 24


I do not see the relevance. Matthew 17:24 has nothing to do with Matthew (Levi).

Matthew 17:24-27 states “When they reached Capernaum, the collectors of the temple tax came to Peter and said, “Does your teacher not pay the temple tax?” He said, Yes, he does.” And when he came home, Jesus spoke of it first, asking, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do kings of earth take toll or tribute? From their children or from others?” When Peter said, “From others,” Jesus said to him, “Then the children are free. However, so that we do not give offense to them, go to the sea and cast a hook; take the first fish that comes up; and when you open its mouth, you will find a coin; take that and give it to them for you and me.”




That Is How Long This Event Was Found Of The Crucifixion


I don’t see the connection here.




And It Was Recorded By Someone Other Than Matthew .
This is your belief, yes.

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The Next Thing They Should Notice Is That Matthew 1 ; 1 Starts Off With A Lie
No, it does not.





Read It ....

I did. :smile:




It Starts From That Point On And Gives You A Whole Line Of It Being Joseph Blood Line It Says MaTTHEW 1 ; 16


True. Matthew 1:16 states “…and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called the Messiah.”

So what?




In Fact That Matthew Didn't Write The Book Himself,
So, you have said.





And The Time After The Actual Event That The Book Was Recorded

All historical information is recorded after events the historical information describes.

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Shows The Inconsistency Of Matthew Alone And How He Was Liar ,
No, it does not.






My Point Being That These Writings Were Plagarized From The Hebraic Writings Of The 22 Psalms Which Begins '' My God My God Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me ?


Can your provide historical documentation confirming this plagiarization process?? Correlation does not imply causation.





Make Note That When This Verse , From Psalms 22 Was Being Copied Or Plagarized For The New Testament Matthew 27 ; 46 .. They Intentionally Did Not Put The Full Verse In From Psalms 22; 1 ..
This entire argument rests on the assumption that Matthew did indeed plagairize from Psalms 22. This is a circular argument.





And The Hebrew Word Used For Roaring Is Sheagah , Sheh - Aw Gaw ,, Under Strong # 07581 Meaning A Rumbling Or Moan ; -- Roaring . From Gav Sha'ag , Shaw- Ag ;, A Primitive Root , To Rumble Or Moam ; -- Mightily , Roar . You Must Ask Yourself At This Point , Why Would The Recorder Of Matthew Leave That Part Out ?


This entire argument also rests on the assumption that Matthew did indeed plagairize from Psalms 22. This is a circular argument as well.

The Answer Is Quite Simple How Could They Pass This Man Off On The Cross . Jesus Christ . As God Himself In Flesh Or God Incarnate AndHave Him Say And That '' Oh My God , I Cry In The Day Time But Thou Heareth Not ; And In The Night Season And Am Not Silent That Is Verse 2 ...

This argument also rests on the assumption that Matthew did indeed plagairize from Psalms 22. This is a circular argument as well.





But They Had A Specific Time Mentioned In Matthew 27 ; 46 The 9th Hour , According To Them , They Were Tring To Get The Crucifixion Done Before The Sabbath Came In ...
So what?

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But That Is Not In The Original Story.
How do you know? Which manuscripts are you basing this belief upon???


The Original Story Uses Day And Night, And This Individual In Psalms 22 , Is Implying That God Is Far Away From Him , This Is What He Says Out Of His Own Mouth , But You Don't Hear Me '' Or In Biblical Words But Thou Heareth Not . It Will Be HAard For Them To Maake This The Son Of God Who Was Crucified At The 9th Hour Before The Sabbath , If They Would Have Used The Full Verse And Chapter , They Would Have To Explain The Daytime Under Strong # 03119 Yowmam < > Yo - Mawm From # 3117 Daily ; - -- Daily ( By , In The Day - Time . A Common Word For During The Daylight Hours . And Ereb , En - Reb .
( Strong # 06153 From # 6150 Dusk ; -- + Day , Even ( - Ing , Tide ) The Word Night Comes From Strong # 03915 Layil . Lah - Yil ( Isa , 21 ; 11 ) Leyl ; Also Laylah
( Lah ; - Yel - Aw ) ; From The Same As # 3883 ; 03883 Luwl Properly . A Twist ( Away Of The Light ) I.E. Night ; Figuratively Adversity ; --( Mid . ) Night ( Season ) So It Is Clear In The 22nd Psalms That This Person Suffering . This Person Crying Out To God As '' My God '' Is Talking About Something He Does During The Daytime And In The Night Season . And That He Doesn't Ever Stop Crying . In His Own Words He Says '' And I Am Not Silent . This Does Not Match Up With What They Call The Messiah Prophecy '' Which Starts Off In Matthew 27; 46 Which Says And About The 9th Hour Jesus Cried With A Loud Voice . This Could Not Have Been Based On Psalms 22 The Story Of Jesus Christ Crucifixion . Somebody Borrowed The Words From The 22nd Chapter Tells Them What's Going To Happen To Them For Doing That , Talking One Portion And Ignoring The Other To Make Their Own Point ? Notice The Two Quote Number , Revelation 22 And Psalms 22 , Revelation 22; 19 , Also In The Book Of Matthew 5 ; 18 , Either That Is A Reference To The Book Of Revelation And Matthew Only Or It Apples To The Whole Bible And That Would Render The Author Of Matthew Guity , But I' m Not Finished As You Read On From Verse 2 To Verse 3 Of Psalms 22 .. < Stop >

This argument also rests on the assumption that Matthew did indeed plagairize from Psalms 22. This is a circular argument as well.





Lets LQQK At Verse 4 Here . This Could Not Be Jesus By The Statement '' Our Father Trusted In Thee , They Trusted And You Dids Deliver Them '' Jesus Would Say Because He Would Be Talking To God '' My Father Our Ancestors Trusted You They Trusted And You Delivered Them '' Speaking Out Of The Hands Or Either The Babylonians Or The Egiptians . But That Is Not What Is Said Here . This Person Here Does Not Identify Himself As The Son Of God And No Way Could That Be Mistaken For Jesus Christ . Psalms 22 ; 5 - 6 . You're Telling Me That Jesus Christ The Son Of God , In This Prophecy About Himself While Suffering On The Cross Says To God , '' I Am A Worm ... Jesus Calls Himself A Worm Or Maggot , And No Man , Psalms 22; 7 - 8 You See Another Portion That Who Ever Authored The Book Of Matthew Stole . Where Is Your God That He Is Being Challenged ? Matthew 27 ; 40 , Mattew 27; 42 , Mark 15 ; 30 , Mark 15 ; 32
You Get The Hint There Of How That Was Borrowed From Psalms With A Little Addition And A Little Extra Coloring . It Continues On To Say ; Psalms 22 ; 9
Again He Is Speaking To God , Saying You Delivered Me At Birth . Again You Find A Hint Toward Gods Intervention Towards The Birth Of This Individual Or A Special Kind Of Birth By The Hands Of God Like They Do With Jesus Where They Got It From
Psalms 22 ; 10 - 11 , ... Psalms 22 ; 1 , This Was Suppose To Be After The Trouble And He Was On The Cross Getting Ready To Give Up The Ghost HisDarkest Hour ,
Trouble Would Be Near When They Were Approaching The Garden To Get Jesus . That's When Then Would Be Near , When They Were Suppose To Betray Jesus With , A Kiss . Not Trouble Is Near . This Could Not Have Been Jesus Christ . He Then Continues On In Psalms 22; 11 And Say ; For There Is None To Help '' Then In
Psalms 22 ; 12 It States ; Many Bulls Have Compassed Me . Not Compass , But Like Encircle Me . Nowhere In The History Of The New Testament Have Bulls Circled Jesus . The Word There In Hebrew For Bull Is < Par > Or Par [ Pawr ] There Is No Record For Jesus Ever Being Surrounded By Bull . Again I Repeat This Is Not Talking About Jesus ! And Don't Tell Me It's Symbolism . Psalms 22; 12 , Note That In Verse 12 It Mentioned A Place Called '' Bashan '' Under Strong # 01316 Aramic > Bashan Baw - Shawn ' , Which Is A Region East Of The Jordan . This Is Not At Golgotha ( Matthew 27; 33 ) Where The Cross Of Jesus Is Suppose To Be Standing . This Is Another Whole Place Being Mentioned Another Contradiction !
Matthew 27 ; 33 , < Are You Gether The '' Jest '' ( Idea ) Of What I Am Trying To Say Here , This Was Not Where Jesus Was Supposed To Have Been Crucifed . This Is A Different Place . This Man Was Surrounded By Bulls In A Different Place . >
Psalms 22 ; 13 No Animals Surrounded Jesus ' Cross . Opening TheirMouths Like Lions And Roaring And Tearing At Him Which Is What That Verse Implies . Psalms 22; 14 . This Has Nothing To Do With The Crucifixion Of Jesus But You Can See The Different Parts , Where They Stole It From AndIts Alluded To . The Stabbing Of The Side AndThe Wine . But It Is Talking More About Judas Who Was Thrown Off The Cliff And His Body Burst Asunder ( Acts 1; 18 ) < It Get Even Deeper Psalms 22;15
This Man Here Is About To Die . The Dust Of Death Means The Dawn Of Death . Death Is About To Approach Him Like The Sun Coming Up In The Morning . There Has Been No Mention Of A Crucifixion Here Yet . In Psalms 22 But So Far This Story Has No Tie To Jesus Christ New Testament Story Of The Crucifixion Other Than Eluded To It Or Borrowed From It , Psalms 22; 16 Now We Are Talking About A Crucifixion In The Book Of Psalms Of Someone And It Could Not Have Been Jesus According To The Rest Of The Story . Psalms 22 ; 17 He Is Telling Them That Now They Have Pierced Him Through The Hands And Feet , The People Are Staring Up Because They Could See His Bones Sticking Out . Psalms 22 ; 18 - 20 ..



This Man Is LQQKING To Survive , That Is Not What Jesus Said On The Cross '' Father Its Over It Is Done '' This Verse Said For God Not To Stay Too Far So He Could Rescue Him , He's Going To Reiterate In The Next Couple Of Verse Psalms 22; 20 .. Psalm 22; 2 ..


Psalm 22 does indeed have some prophetic material regarding Jesus.





NowTheMythological Creature Exist, And God Hears Him From TheHorns Of The Unicorn Jesus Never Said None Of This . Note That This Is Not The Only Place This Mythological Creature Appears In The Bible . Unicorn Is Also Mentioned In The Following Verse , Job 39 ; 9 -10,


I do not see the relevance.

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Psalms 29 ; 6 ..
I do not see the relevance.





Psalms 92; 10 ..
I do not see the relevance.





Psalms 22; 22 - 24, From Psalms 22; 24 - 31 He Reiterates How He Would Be Alive Later . And How He Is Calling People To Praise .






These verses certainly could be considered prophetic



What Do You Think Is The Psalms That Follows It . None Other Than The 23rd Psalms .


LOL.



The Short 6 Verse From The Man Who Was Just Crucified And Allowed To Live , Had His Soul Restored . The Man Who Was Walking Through The Valley Through The Shadow Of Death And Feared No Evil Because God Was With Him 23 Psalms Support The Incident . How Could It Possibly Repeat The Same Exact Say Words My God , My God Why Has Thou Forsaken Me '' And When You Go To Matthew 27 ; 1 . They Are Talking About The Next Moring . Matthew 27 ; 1 - 2 , The Mocking Of The Soldiers , The Casting Of Lots , Stripping Of His Robe , In Matthew 27; 27 - 28 , Yelling Out '' Let Him Be Crucified '' In Verse 22 . Talking About Him Bearing And Carrying A Cross In Verse 32 In Golgotha . Verse 35 How They Cast Lots . Verse 36 , They Sat Down And Watched Him Verse 39 '' And They That Passed By Regiled Him Wagging Their Heads '' From Psalms 22; 7 . Matthew 27; 43 , Psalms 22 ; 8 , Matthew 27 ; 50 The Breath Of What John 1 ; 1 In The Beginning Was The Word And The Word Was With God , AndThe Word Was God < Jesus Died At This Point According To Them >


All of these statements are based on your pre-suppositions.

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This Whole Thing May Come As A Shock With Some Of You.
No it does not, because you have not presented evidence aside from the perspective of your presupposition that Matthew plagiarized from the Psalms. You have provided no documentation recording this plagiarization process.






Other Of You Will Say '' This Can't Be True ''
It is not true. :wink:





( These People Have What Is Called Tunnel Vision And Blind Faith )


From your perspective, yes they do.




However , In Your Bible According To John 8 ; 32



John 8:31-33 states “Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” They answered him, “We are descendents of Abraham and have never been slaves to anyone. What do you mean by saying, ‘You will be made free’?”



That Is Free Of The Lies And Misnterpretations.
Where does John Chapter 8 state this?

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<The Hyped Up Comm,entaries , Alterations , Word Maniplations , Poor Translations . And Out Right Lies To Keep You Mentally In Prison From The Truth



LOL. It’s a great conspiracy. :lol:


So What Is The Symbolism Of The 9th Hour Or The Crucifixion ?

This is assuming the passage is to be taken symbolically.



According To Luke 23 ; 44 - 45
Luke 23:44-45 states “It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, while the sun’s light failed; and the curtain of the temple was torn in two.”


That The Sun / Son Had Died And So There Was Darkness . And LQQK How Many Hours This Lasted For ; Three .
True. So what?

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The Same Story Of Darkness At Their Death Was Told By The Hindus Of Khrishna,
False. Krishna did not even die. Where did you read/hear darkness came over the earth after Krishna died?




“Though Lord Krishna appeared in human form, He had an Aprakritika, divine body. He did not take any birth. He did not die. He appeared and disappeared through His Yoga Maya. This is a secret, known only to His devotees, Yogis and sages” (http://www.aryabhatt.com/krishnalilas/krishnalilas1.htm (http://www.aryabhatt.com/krishnalilas/krishnalilas1.htm)).





“There lived a Brahman at Dwarika. Whenever a child was born to him, it died. So, the Brahman was very grieved. He used to place the dead infant at the royal gate and go away. This happened many a time and once in the presence of Arjun too who had come to see Krishna. Seeing the Brahman in grief, Arjuna gave him a pledge to save his next child. But this time, the infant dramatically disappeared soon after its birth. Arjuna was highly perturbed to see his pledge broken and so he got ready for self-immolation. How could Krishna brook it? Krishna took Arjuna to Lord Narayana who said, "Arjuna ! I wanted to see you along with Krishna. So, this drama of the disappearance of the Brahman's son was enacted." Saying so, the Lord returned all the children of the Brahman to Arjuna who duly handed them over to their father. Having been offended with the Krishna's family, the local Brahmans uttered a curse on them, "All of you will die fighting among yourselves." Balram had already passed away and most of the other members of Krishna's family also died fighting. One day Krishna was sitting under a peepal tree. Taking his brilliant heel to be the eye of a deer, a hunter shot an arrow at it. Then Krishna delivered a sermon to Maitreya and asked Uddhav to meditate at Badrinath. Thus relieving the Earth of all the sinners of the time, Krishna returned to his heavenly abode” (http://www.angelfire.com/ms/krishnapage/bk423.html (http://www.angelfire.com/ms/krishnapage/bk423.html)).

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The Buddha,

Where did you read/hear darkness came over the earth after Buddha died? This claim is false as well.





“The Buddha died of old age, when he was eighty years old. The death was triggered by his body reaction to a dish of wild mushroom. He died peacefully and mindfully” (http://www.saigon.com/~anson/ebud/ebsut006.htm (http://www.saigon.com/~anson/ebud/ebsut006.htm)).



“Buddha went to Sravasti, the capital of the kingdom of Kosala. Here a wealthy merchant gave him for residence an extensive and beautiful forest. Buddha spent many rainy seasons there and delivered several grand discourses. Thus Lord Buddha preached his doctrine for over forty-five years traveling from place to place.

Buddha died of an illness brought on by some error in diet. He became ill through eating Sukara-maddavam, prepared for him by a lady adherent named Cundo. The commentator explains the word as meaning 'hog's flesh'. Subadhara Bhikshu thinks it means something which wild boars are fond of and says that it has something of the nature of a truffle. Dr. Hoey says that it is not boar's flesh but Sukarakanda or hog's root, a bulbous root found chiefly in the jungle and which Hindus eat with great joy. It is a Phalahar that is eaten on days of fasting.

Buddha said to Ananda, "Go Ananda, prepare for me, between twin Sal trees, a couch with the head northward. I am exhausted and would like to lie down". A wonderful scene followed. The twin Sal trees burst into full bloom although it was not the blossoming season. Those flowers fell on the body of Buddha out of reverence. Divine coral tree flowers and divine sandalwood powders fell from above on Buddha's body out of reverence.

Lord Buddha said, "Come now, dear monks. I bid you farewell. Compounds are subject to dissolution. Prosper ye through diligence and work out your salvation" (http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/saints/buddha.htm#end (http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/saints/buddha.htm#end)).


The Greeks
Such as?




Or Hercules
There are many accounts of how Hercules died throughout Greek mythology. Which account of Hercules’ death did you read that darkness came upon the earth at Hercules’ death?

According to some stories, Hercules did not even die!



“When Hercules put on the shirt the poisoned blood began to do its work, burning Hercules' flesh to the bone. Hercules could not die. So he built himself a funeral pyre. He spread his lionskin cloak on the pyre and lay down on it. The flames burned up the mortal part of him, while the immortal part ascended to Mount Olympus, where Zeus set him among the stars” (http://einstein.stcloudstate.edu/Dome/constellns/her.html (http://einstein.stcloudstate.edu/Dome/constellns/her.html)).

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The Mexicans

You need to provide some examples, and documentation of sources for those examples.



Or Quetzalcoatl.
Need to provide some examples, and documentation of sources for those examples.







And Infinitum, Lomg Before Jesus . When He Die.

Really? According to what sources?


Jesus Descended Into Hell,

Where is this stated?









Just Like The Earlier Krishna , Zoroaster , Osiris . Horus . Adonis / Tammuz , Bacchus , Hercules , Mercury And So On .

False. The Bible does not teach Jesus descended into Hell.



He Then Rose From The Dead
Yes, Jesus did rise from the dead.

Like The Earlier Krishna, Buddha , Zoroaster , Adonis / Tammuz , Osiris , Mithra , Hercules , And Balder .

This is all false. Where did you hear/read this information? I strongly recommend you research each of these individuals. Below are links to two web pages refuting these lies.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycatwho1.html (http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycatwho1.html)



http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycatwho2.html (http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycatwho2.html)

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Jesus Was Symbolically Crucified

“Symbolically crucified?” Where does the New Testament text indicate Jesus was symbolically crucified? Actually, the text indicates Jesus was historically crucified.



There is overwhelming historical and factual evidence that Jesus died on the cross. The evidence for Christ’s death is greater than that for almost any other event in the ancient world.



The New Testament authors all say specifically or speak from the necessary implication that they believed Christ died on the cross (cf. Romans. 5:8 ; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 1 Thessalonians. 4:14 ). Neither fainting nor swooning nor being drugged would have produced the vigorous victor over death described in the resurrection appearances. The evidence that Christ actually died on the cross is overwhelming:



Jesus predicted many times during his ministry that he was going to die and rise again (Matthew 12:40 ; Mark 8:31 ; John 2:19–21 ; 10:10–11 ). One of the more explicit is Matthew 17:22–23: “The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life.”



The nature of the crucifixion assures death. Jesus hung on the cross from 9 in the morning until just before sunset ( Mark 15:25 , 33 ). He bled from gashes in his hands and feet and from the thorns that pierced his scalp. These wounds would have drained away much blood over more than six hours. Plus, crucifixion demands that one constantly pull up by the hands and push on the injured feet in order to breathe. This caused excruciating pain from the nails. A day of this would kill someone in good health.

Beyond these injuries, Jesus’ side was pierced with a spear. From this wound flowed a mixture of blood and water (John 19:34), a proof that physical death had occurred. This detail alone, and its confirmation by modern medical experts, strongly validates the claim that this narrative is an eyewitness account. An article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (21 March 1986) concluded:

Clearly, the weight of historical and medical evidence indicates that Jesus was dead before the wound to his side was inflicted and supports the traditional view that the spear, thrust between his right rib, probably perforated not only the right lung but also the pericardium and heart and thereby ensured his death. Accordingly, interpretations based on the assumption that Jesus did not die on the cross appear to be at odds with modern medical knowledge.

Jesus said he was dying when he declared on the cross, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit” ( Luke 23:46 ). And when “he had said this, he breathed his last” (vs. 46 ). John renders this, “he gave up his spirit” ( John 19:30 ). His death cry was heard by those who stood nearby ( Luke 23:47–49 ).

The Roman soldiers, accustomed to crucifixion and death, pronounced Jesus dead. Although it was a common practice to break the legs of the victim to speed death (so that the person could no longer breathe), they did not believe it necessary to break Jesus’legs ( John 19:33 ).

Pilate double-checked to make sure Jesus was dead before he gave the corpse to Joseph to be buried. “Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died. When he learned from the centurion that it was so, he gave the body to Joseph” ( Mark 15:44–45 ).

Jesus was wrapped in about 100 pounds of cloth and spices and placed in a sealed tomb for three days ( Matt. 27:60 ; John 19:39–40 ). If he was not dead by then, the lack of food, water, and medical treatment would have finished him.

Also, the earliest Christian writers after the time of Christ affirmed his death on the cross by crucifixion. Polycarp, a disciple of the apostle John, repeatedly affirmed the death of Christ, speaking, for example, of “our Lord Jesus Christ, who for our sins suffered even unto death” (Polycarp, 33). Ignatius (30–107), a friend of Polycarp, wrote, “And he really suffered and died, and rose again.” Otherwise, he adds, all his apostles who suffered for this belief, died in vain. “But, (in truth) none of these sufferings were in vain; for the Lord was really crucified by the ungodly” (Ignatius, 107). In Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, Justin Martyr noted that Jews of his day believed that “Jesus [was] a Galilean deceiver, whom we crucified” (Martyr, 253).



In conclusion, it is absurd to claim that Christ’s crucifixion was meant to be merely symbolic.





Sources:



F. F. Bruce, The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?

N. L. Geisler, Christian Apologetics

G. Habermas, Ancient Evidence for the Life of Jesus

Journal of the American Medical Society , 21 March 1986

Justin Martyr, “Dialogue with Trypho,” The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 1

“Passover,” Babylonian Talmud

D. Strauss, New Life of Jesus , Vol. 1

V. Tzaferis, “Jewish Tombs at and Near Giv’at ha-Mivtrar,” 20 (1970)




At Easter Because This Is The Spring Equinox When The Sun ( Jesus ) Enters


Actually, it has a lot more to do with the Jewish Passover.

This site does a good job refuting this argument:



http://www.tektonics.org/easter.html (http://www.tektonics.org/easter.html)

[Apologia Xristou]

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. The Astrological Sign Of Aries , The Ram Or The Lamb .

Why would Jews, who feared committing idolatry, base their theology on pagan astrological signs?



The Lamb In The Book Of Revelation Is The Same Symbol As Found In Chapter 22 ; 3 .



How do you know? The entire Book of Revelation is full of figurative language. How can you be sure the language describing the Lamb of God is related to the astrological sign of a lamb? What is the evidence supporting this belief?



Kindest Regards,


Chris

[Timothy Leary]

Ezraah - you need to change the way you format your posts. Without breaks between paragraphs and such, it's not easy on our eyes to read your posts.