If you are a Trinitarian...

[AVmetro]

...let us know here. I have plans for the (distant(?) future, and I'd like to know who's who prior.

Thanks.

-God bless-

[Freak]

Today @ 04:46 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=47530#post47530)
AVmetro:

...let us know here. I have plans for the (distant(?) future, and I'd like to know who's who prior.

Thanks.

-God bless-

I am!

[Hitch]

Was this a plot to make me agree with Freak?

[AVmetro]

Looks that way, Hitch. I guess I can close the thread now. ;)

I am!

We got two. And me, of course :tongue: Now where's DeeDee?

[GrayPilgrim]

Me too.

[Hitch]

Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty!
Early in the morning our song shall rise to Thee;
Holy, holy, holy, merciful and mighty!
God in three Persons, blessèd Trinity!

Holy, holy, holy! All the saints adore Thee,
Casting down their golden crowns around the glassy sea;
Cherubim and seraphim falling down before Thee,
Who was, and is, and evermore shall be.

Holy, holy, holy! though the darkness hide Thee,
Though the eye of sinful man Thy glory may not see;
Only Thou art holy; there is none beside Thee,
Perfect in power, in love, and purity.

Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty!
All Thy works shall praise Thy Name, in earth, and sky, and sea;
Holy, holy, holy; merciful and mighty!
God in three Persons, blessèd Trinity!




It is only the grace of God as demonstrated to us by the offering of His Son Jesus Christ to pay the redemption and the continuing work of the blessed Holy Spirit that allows us the wonderful privelege to proclaim ,with the shining ones and the Saints of all history,in eternal truth:

HOLY HOLY HOLY

[John Reece]

Ditto.

:thumb:

[Piebald]

I be Trinitarian

[dizzle]

Here I am!!! Count me in.

[phantaz sunlyk]

undecided...the logical-ness of Evangelion and Athanasian is starting to take its toll on me......ar har har.
heck yah, i'm allllllllllllllll in.

[AVmetro]

Phantaz? A Trin? Nah! :lol:

[TheFiveSolas]

Trinitarian here.

Plus, its the only way to resolve the age old philosophical problem of the one and the many.

[Socrates]

Definitely Trinitarian. Modalism/Sabellianism/Oneness Pentecostalism and Arianism/JWism are vile heresies.

[Athanasian]

I have to say in all honesty that I'm finding the Oneness position more coherent recently. See my posts on that issue in the other thread. :huh:

[John Reece]

This thread has reminded me of my first Matthew 10:19-20 moment (well, maybe not :smile: ).

While a theologically illiterate college student in the early 1950s, I was called before a board, consisting of Methodist Ministers, to be examined for appointment as a student pastor.

I only remember one question that was asked of me at that time. It was asked by a Minister whose subsequent sputterings indicated he was nonplused by my answer (and that he was not a Trinitarian).

His question: “With regard to God, is the Holy Spirit a distinct Person?”

My answer: “No more so than Jesus.”

[$cirisme]

Ummm, trinitarian? :hrm:

Don't use big words I don't understand. :hrm:

LOL, j/k. I be one! :thumb:

(Phantaz stole my joke! :rant: )

[Freak]

Today @ 08:41 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=48400#post48400)
Athanasian:

I have to say in all honesty that I'm finding the Oneness position more coherent recently. See my posts on that issue in the other thread. :huh:

So, where do you stand today?

[AVmetro]

I have to say in all honesty that I'm finding the Oneness position more coherent recently. See my posts on that issue in the other thread.

Oddly enough, many of the "proof-texts" anti-Trins use in order to "disprove" the Trinity are only genuinely effective against Modalism. The WTS for example practically misrepresents our understanding of the Trinity at every turn in order to prove it as unbiblical. Just head on over to your local Kingdom Hall and pick up their little brown book, "Reasoning from the Scriptures." The old saw, "How can Jesus sit at the right hand of God if He IS God" is only one example.

If you think the Trinity is "illogical" I find it hard to believe one can hold to Oneness with any tighter a grasp. :smile:

...Anyhow...

Trinitarians, manifest thyselves.

[Wesley's son]

:hi:

[AVmetro]

I don't know why, but I like your avatar, Wesley :smile:

[Solly]

:joy:

[Wesley's son]

Today @ 05:14 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=50109#post50109)
AVmetro:

I don't know why, but I like your avatar, Wesley :smile:

...my favorite theologian John Wesley



:wink:

[Bill the Cat]

Trin Here!!! And lovin every minute of it!!

3, 3, 3 mints....er Gods in one!!! Not really!!:read:

[o2bwise]

I not be Trinitarian.

I can state four things about the Trinity that are outright contrary to reality.

God is not His own Son.

BUT, I do believe Christ is divine. Not by virtue of being God, but by virtue of being His SON.

God Bless,

Tony (o2)

[Athanasian]

I have to say, I laughed myself silly when I found this (http://www.thechristadelphians.org/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=36&t=633&st=15&#entry8452) thread about trinitarian arguments being defended by Iraqi Information Minister Al-Sharaf! :rofl:

It uses actual direct quotes from Al-Sharaf, with the odd word added, to make a series of hilarious jokes! :lol:

Moderator Note: Athanasian: Enough. I have seen enough to suspect that you have been trolling here and have not been entirely forthright with exactly where you stand. Perhaps I am wrong. Regardless, your post was violative of our rules on several grounds. Firstly, if you have something to discuss here, discuss here. Blanket links to other forums are outside the spirit of our forum rules, and secondly that link leads to a registration page for unregistered persons cannot view that article, thus it is not a public link. Second, this thread was for Trinitarians. You are not a convinced Trinitarian by your own admission, and I doubt that you are a Triniatarian at all if I am going to be honest with my assessments of your behaviour here. However, again, I could be wrong. That being said, please desist from mocking the Trinity on this thread as it is patently obvious that is not what the thread is for, and you are trolling in that regard. Thank you. Feel free to post your comments in a thread of your own making or of the making of another for that purpose.

- Dee Dee Warren

[AVmetro]

Today @ 03:05 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=73903#post73903)
o2bwise:

I not be Trinitarian.

I can state four things about the Trinity that are outright contrary to reality.

God is not His own Son.

BUT, I do believe Christ is divine. Not by virtue of being God, but by virtue of being His SON.

God Bless,

Tony (o2)

Hey O2!! Glad to have you here. I haven't seen you in quite a while. How have things been going as of late? :smile:

[o2bwise]

Hey AV!,

Thanks, bro!

Things have been going pretty good and I thank you for asking!

How about you, AV?

God Bless,

Tony (o2)

[Megane]

:hi: Trinitarian here! :hi:



Regards,
Megane

[AVmetro]

Yesterday @ 07:49 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=74012#post74012)
o2bwise:

Hey AV!,

Thanks, bro!

Things have been going pretty good and I thank you for asking!

How about you, AV?

God Bless,

Tony (o2)

I'm doing great! I was wondering when you were going to show up. Talking with you will certainly be a breath of fresh air. :smile:

[AVmetro]

Today @ 04:34 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=74384#post74384)
Megane:

:hi: Trinitarian here! :hi:



Regards,
Megane

Hey, Megane. Nice to have you aboard. :wink:

-God bless-

[Sher]

:angel:

[Blake Reas]

Straight up hardcore Trinitarian. Oh yeah, Modalism is heresy and so is anything else that does not uphold the Trinity.

Blake :spam:

[AVmetro]

I like a man with confidence :smile: As if one could be anything else.

[OldShepherd]

The ancient sheepherder is also Trinitarian.
oti treiV eisin oi marturounteV en tw ouranw o pathr o logoV kai to agion pneuma kai outoi oi treiV en eisin

[Athanasian]

Removing this post...

[dizzle]

Thank you.

[AVmetro]

Yesterday @ 12:17 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=74504#post74504)
OldShepherd:

The ancient sheepherder is also Trinitarian.
oti treiV eisin oi marturounteV en tw ouranw o pathr o logoV kai to agion pneuma kai outoi oi treiV en eisin

Hey Shep! Good to see you here. :smile:

[zionstructure]

<Is not a Trinitarian>

Though I do believe in the emanations of God which the Kabbalah teaches....And there are 10 of those so.
What does that make me exactly? a Decatarian?

:cheers:

[AVmetro]

Hey, welcome to TWeb. :smile:

[zionstructure]

Thanks AV :smile: Semmi sent me...said that this is a place were people actually know what they are talking about...OR atleast they fake it very well.



:cheers:

^
l
i love this

[joelkaki]

Trinitarian.


Joel

[Homie]

FORMER trinitarian here.

If you think the Trinity is "illogical" I find it hard to believe one can hold to Oneness with any tighter a grasp.
Why, oneness is logical and scriptual.

The way I see it today:
God, the Father
Jesus, the Son

So there are 2 individual guys, God the Father is the Creator and he also created/begot Jesus. God uses the Father - Son relationship so that we (humans) can (more or less) understand the relationship between the Diety and Jesus (which is like his Father, he is divine, he is perfect.)

The Holy Spirirt is not a being at all, but the "holy spirirt" of the Father and the Son.

The way I see it, this view has no problem with logic or the scripture. What is modalism?

[dizzle]

Hey guys, please, AV wants a roll call of Trinitarians, if you are not a Trinitarian, please do not post here, but feel free to start a thread of your choosing.

[Gavin]

I am trinitarian



unitarians:whip:

[Susan]

Trinitarian! Long time no see guys!

[AVmetro]

Hey Susan. :hi:

[Revolg]

I'm deciding between keeping my Modalist Monarchianism or accepting the other view on God called Trinitarianism. Please note I am no longer a Oneness Pentecostal. Infact, I am finding the doctrine of the Trinity to be very coherent and easily defended.

Eric

[Revolg]

Homie,

Modalist Monarchianism is heresy that is spreading today in normative Oneness Pentecostal churches. It teaches that Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Well, obviously, reading the New Testament we come to a dramatically different view on the Godhead. It moreover teaches that the Godhead is in consectutive modes: Father (In OT), Son (In Redemption), and Holy Spirit (now in emancipation). The Father is the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) in the Son (Flesh). So therefore they believe the Godhead is one person. The Flesh prays to God because there is a unity; God communicates with the Flesh.

In a subtle way this heresy is suborthodox. It has some orthodox statements, however, overall this view on the Godhead will not match up to scrutiny. Especially when it comes to Jesus in the Garden of Gethsmane and the cup.

Eric

[AVmetro]

Yesterday @ 11:22 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=85742#post85742)
Revolg:

I'm deciding between keeping my Modalist Monarchianism or accepting the other view on God called Trinitarianism. Please note I am no longer a Oneness Pentecostal.
Eric

Hey revolg,

I'll be praying that God will help you in your understanding. :wink:

Infact, I am finding the doctrine of the Trinity to be very coherent and easily defended.

Now that was a breath of fresh air. :pray:

[Ethos]

TOO!!

[AVmetro]

Hey Triphicus. :smile:

[b488]

I am trinitarian.

I am not so sure that having a trinitarian view is necessary for salvation. Seeing jesus as somehow divine (yet human) seems to be sufficient (?), but i'm open to being persuaded otherwise.

ciao

[AVmetro]

Today @ 05:47 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=88951#post88951)
b488:

I am trinitarian.

I am not so sure that having a trinitarian view is necessary for salvation. Seeing jesus as somehow divine (yet human) seems to be sufficient (?), but i'm open to being persuaded otherwise.


If you live near a seminary you might want to take a look at this book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0913836273/qid%3D1052257312/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-5051020-3375301) which was highly recommended to me by a friend. I just recieved it in the mail so I haven't had a chance to get into it. Evidently it demonstrates the necessity of Christ being deity in the salvation of mankind.

-God bless-

[b488]

IronMetro:
Thank you for the suggestion and I will be looking out for it, if not buying it, soon. I have a great interest in this topic, but have done little reading (so far) about it.

ciao :thumb:

[FirstSunday33ad]

:joy:

Yo...Trini here

[AVmetro]

Yesterday @ 03:06 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=89956#post89956)
b488:

IronMetro:
Thank you for the suggestion and I will be looking out for it, if not buying it, soon. I have a great interest in this topic, but have done little reading (so far) about it.

ciao :thumb:

You're welcome.

-God bless-

[RevSteve45]

I was Trinitarian when Trinitarian wasn't cool! (Whenever that was).:read:

[Bib Lit Major]

I am a Trinitarian.

[mickiel]

I only believe there are two, the Father and his son. The Holy Spirit is many things, but i do not see it as a third personage, with a mind of its own, with inherant self substaining life. I would belive in it if i saw it in scripture, but its just not there. Belief in it has sure worked its way into mainstream christianity, big time.

[Socrates]

Today @ 07:54 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=104005#post104005)
mickiel:

I only believe there are two, the Father and his son. The Holy Spirit is many things, but i do not see it as a third personage, with a mind of its own, with inherant self substaining life. I would belive in it if i saw it in scripture, but its just not there.

So if it is not a personage, then how come Acts 13:2 says:

The Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."

It's also hard to imagine how Ananias and Sapphira could have lied to the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3) or how the Holy Spirit could be grieved (Eph. 4:30) if He were an impersonal force.

--Soc. (as said, a Trinitarian)

[mickiel]

Today @ 10:28 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=104032#post104032)
Socrates:



So if it is not a personage, then how come Acts 13:2 says:
That was God speaking, using his power of communication, which is one of the explinations OF the Holy Spirit. It can do anything, because it is the power of God, and it is alive because God is crackling with life, both in and out of himself. That life, that awesome power, is what men give a mind of its own, a personality of its own, and call it the Holy Spirit.


It's also hard to imagine how Ananias and Sapphira could have lied to the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3) or how the Holy Spirit could be grieved (Eph. 4:30) if He were an impersonal force.

Lying to the Spirit means lying to God. Grieving the Spirit means you don't think the Spirit can help a person, you think it to be powerless, that is what greieving the Spirit means, you feel sorry that it does not fuction in another person, it is more so advise not to judge or limit Gods power.



--Soc. (as said, a Trinitarian)

[Homie]

SOCRATES
So if it is not a personage, then how come Acts 13:2 says:

HOMIE
Because that is the holy spirit of Jesus speaking. I have/am a spirit (the very essence of me, more than my mere body, the "part" that goes to heaven). But only 2 beings are eligible for the title "the holy spirit", Jesus the Son and God the Father.

Mickel, you should quote differently, it is not easy to see who says what in your reply. Just an advice :smile:

[dizzle]

Hey guys I want to be consistent.. I had asked others who were not committed Trins to limit their comments here and perhaps bring out the issues on another thread. I do not think any of the comments were disruptive in the least, I just do not want to be accused of being unfair. Thanks!!

[Homie]

Im sorry Dee Dee, it is just that Soc invited a discussion with his remarks, I just had to respond. I'll stop now, unsubscribing right now....

[mickiel]

Today @ 11:54 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=104080#post104080)
Homie:

Im sorry Dee Dee, it is just that Soc invited a discussion with his remarks, I just had to respond. I'll stop now, unsubscribing right now....

I take the advise of homie to be wise, i guess some conversations are for the privledged, or rather those who agree with each other. Never let it be said of me that i cannot determine when i am not invited. I too will exit this post, stage left.

[AVmetro]

Homie

Im sorry Dee Dee, it is just that Soc invited a discussion with his remarks, I just had to respond. I'll stop now, unsubscribing right now....

>

Mick

I take the advise of homie to be wise, i guess some conversations are for the privledged, or rather those who agree with each other. Never let it be said of me that i cannot determine when i am not invited. I too will exit this post, stage left.

A discussion on this topic would be most encouraged if given it's own thread. Why not take Soc's comments and use them to initate a new thread on this topic? Reason being, this thread is for the sole purpose of identifying those who hold the Trinitarian view. Debate in this thread is therefore unappropriate. It would be classified as "hijacking".

-Thanks and God bless-

[mickiel]

Today @ 10:32 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=104891#post104891)
IronMetro:



A discussion on this topic would be most encouraged if given it's own thread. Why not take Soc's comments and use them to initate a new thread on this topic? Reason being, this thread is for the sole purpose of identifying those who hold the Trinitarian view. Debate in this thread is therefore unappropriate. It would be classified as &quot;hijacking&quot;.

-Thanks and God bless-

No matter how polite or correct we try to be, there are times we just simply need to reach out to those of like minds, those who are not included, simply must suffer the pains of elitetism from the majority view of the powers that be.

[Rayado]

Trinitarian here. Yet I keep having this nagging question: Why do you wish to know, IronMetro? You said at the very beginning that you had something in mind, but you didn't say what exactly. Would I be rude to ask just what these plans are? I'm a little curious now as to what you have in mind.

:huh: :smile:

[DBoone]

Me too.

[Cal_Minian]

]Dear Theologians,
Skip to the bottom for the short answer. Paul told Timothy that Christian doctrine in taught in Scripture. He said at 2 Timothy 3:16 that:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine , for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

In practice we find all essential doctrines taught, in context, by bible writers. In fact we generally find the true essential doctrines taught in context by multiple bible writers. Other Bible passages may expand upon these doctrines, but this is only after these doctrines have already been explicitly taught in context with all the necessary primary components to define the core teaching.

For example, we may not all agree on the significance of Baptism but all Christians understand that Baptism in some form is something taught in the bible and that a single bible writer articulates all the primary elements in context in one passage. All the writers of the gospel accounts teach the doctrine of Baptism all in one place in context. (Matt 3:1-16; Mark 1:1-9; 16:15-16; Luke 3:1-21; John 1:25-33.)

We do not need to derive the concept of Baptism by taking an “immersion” verse, a “water” verse and a “repentance” verse and through “systematic theology” create the new concept of “Baptism.” The bible writers have already combined those elements for us so that we know it is indeed an essential bible teaching.

Thus it is by example that bible writers themselves set the high standard by which we should examine doctrines to determine truth.

My challenge to Trinitarians, should they choose to accept it, is to explain why the Trinity stands alone in this regards. Why is the Trinity considered an essential Christian teaching if not even one bible writer ever teaches it in context as a clear doctrine for Christians?

I have presented a hermeneutic that can be falsified. Baptism, Eternal Punishment, Eternal Salvation through faith in Christ, the Resurrection of the dead are all essential doctrines for Christians. My premise can be falsified by providing an essential Christian doctrine, which is derived in the same manner as the Trinity. This challenge has been presented to Trinitarians in the past and not one has been able to provide a counter example.

In his service,
Cal_Minian

Short answer: No I am not a Trinitarian.

This has been cross-posted here:

http://theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5893

And discussion can take place there as this thread was requested by the thread starter to be for Trinitarians only.

[Bill Hogue]

Yes. Its a requ9irement if you are CAtholic.

[Penfire]

Jhn 17:21 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn017.html#21) That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me


This is only one of many scriptures where we are taught that God is known as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The word "trinitarian" is not in scripture but it can be known that God has revealed Himself as three persons, yet one God. It can be truly said that the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God. When Abraham received the "three visitors" he referred to them as "he" not "they". So, I believe this is representative of the way we understand God. Jesus pryaed to the "Father" and taught His disciples to pray to the "Father" in His Name. It is interesting to think about the fact that Jesus told his disciples that the Holy Spirit could not come to them until He left them. And he told Mary at the tomb that she should not touch Him because He had not yet been to the Father. Our finite minds cannot not just have an opinion about God and His self revelations. We must trust the fact that He reveals Himself to us in three persons. Otherwise, we are rewriting the Bible to our own understanding.

[Xavier]

:digger: :whistle:

[guacamole]

I yam a trinitarian. Whee!!!!!!!

[MuggleOrSquib]

Definitely a Trinitarian m'self. Not sure why the question's being asked here though.

Be Well,
Bob Griffin

[AVmetro]

Definitely a Trinitarian m'self. Not sure why the question's being asked here though.

Be Well,
Bob Griffin

Hi, Bob,

Thanks for asking.

One purpose was to simply know who on TWeb were Trinitarians. That's takes a lot of the guess work out. Back when I started this thread, the forum was still relatively new and there weren't near as many members.

The second reason I started this thread was because I had a project in mind that I wanted to enlist the help of any number of Trinitarians. Think Trinitarian "A-Team" and you'll get an idea of what I had in mind ;-).

Lately, I've been too busy to start anything along those lines and it may be some time before I get around to it.

I'll make sure to get in touch with those who posted in this thread (and other Trinitarians who did not) when things get started.

God bless you--AVmetro

[Athanasius]

I'm a Trinitarian, too, and have been for a long time. The more I 'test" the doctrine by studying what the OT reveals of the nature of God, the more convinced I become of it, for the more I discover that the scriptures are consistent with it.

"Jesus, Jesus, how I trust Him! How I've proved Him o'er and o'er!"