Ephesians 3:9

[AVmetro]

Eph 3:9 - And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ

In the footnote of one bible I read:

NU-Text omits through Jesus Christ.

What is the evidence for the inclusion of this verse and how strong is it? This particular passage is useful in supporting the preexistence of Christ although not necessary in proving it. Just letting everyone know in case anyone is interested as to why I'm asking ;).

-Thanks and God bless-

[Pereynol of Sheer Dread]

According to Metzger's Textual Commentary, ending the verse with ktisanti is supported by "P46 A B C D* F G P 33 1319 1611 2127 and most versions and early patristic quotations."

[Jaltus]

AV,

If I have not responded in full to this by Sunday afternoon, PM me.

[Socrates]

Eph 3:9 - And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.

AVmetro:In the footnote of one bible I read:

NU-Text omits through Jesus Christ.

What is the evidence for the inclusion of this verse and how strong is it? This particular passage is useful in supporting the preexistence of Christ although not necessary in proving it. Just letting everyone know in case anyone is interested as to why I'm asking ;).There are plenty of other places which teach the same thing, e.g John 1:1-3, Col. 1:15-17, which are textually indisputable.

Jaltus:According to Metzger's Textual Commentary, ending the verse with ktisanti is supported by "P46 A B C D* F G P 33 1319 1611 2127 and most versions and early patristic quotations."My copy says, ""P46 א A B C D* ..." which strengthens Jaltus' argument even further.

[John Reece]

When I sent you the PM, AVmetro, I must have been looking at verse 3:9 in the wrong Pauline epistle - one that has no reference to any variant in verse 3:9.

Then people started sending you references to verse 3:9 in Metzger's Textual Commentary.

:huh:

I was quite puzzled for a while, wondering if I had an out-of-date superseded edition.

Finally looked again...

:doh:

Please disregard the erroneous response.

[Jaltus]

I would like to point out those which have the reading:

D^2, (0278 has altered word order), 1881, and the MT, and the text critical apparatus of the 616 Harklensis Syriac included the reading as non-original.

In other words, the support for the reading is extremely weak.

[AVmetro]

If not the above, it'd have been the old "It's the 'new world to come', not the creation of Genesis!" argument from presupposition :ahem:.

Thanks a lot for the help, guys. :wink:

[Mildred]

"Through (or by) Christ" is not actually found in the Greek text. The closest translation I see to the actual text is "through (or by) Him who created all things." The verb for Created is in participial from, therefore pointing to the one who created. The article is located before the direct object ("all" which being an adjective can be translated as a noun if there's nothing it describes) and the participal is located after it, therefore the direct object is direct of that which surrounds it.