Understanding Jesus as God...

[k4cym]

Understanding Jesus as God

First of all I would like to start out by saying that Jesus is not part of a co-eternal, co-equal three face God who can't be known because He's a mystery.

To understand Jesus as God we will start with the first commandment.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Notice how our heavenly Father says no other gods with an "s", this means there are other gods out there.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Don't think of the word god as being a person but rather think of it as being a title or a position of authority.

Our heavenly Father is telling us in the first commandment not to have anyone or anything rule in our lives in His place.

To have someone or something rule in our lives other than the one true God means it has authority over us, in other words, it controls us and we allow it to.

Our Father says in the first commandment that this should not be so.

The only authority we should have governing our lives is the authority of our heavenly Father.

Now, we know our heavenly Father is Spirit.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

There is an aspect of the word spirit that has to do with thoughts, thoughts have to do with words.

Ezekiel 2:2 Then the Spirit entered me when He spoke to me, and set me on my feet; and I heard Him who spoke to me.

Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: Behold, I will pour out my spirit upon you; I will make known my words unto you.

When our Father speaks words these words carry His authority.

When our Father anoints someone or something to speak His words, that person is given the title god whether he be an angel or a man.

John 10:34-35 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

If you are called by the Father to bring His word, He gives you the title of authority to act and do His will.

Our Father has even given this title to angels who are standing in for the Father at certain times.

Exodus 23:20-22 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name is in him. But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

Our Father gives His name or authority to whom He uses to bring His word and do His will.

Jesus was given the title of authority because He did His Fathers will, He spoke His Father's words.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Jesus learned obedience through the things that He suffered which gave Him the right to the title given to Him by His Father.

Hebrews 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.

Acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.''

Jesus' Father made Jesus Lord and Christ.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus has a God, it's His Father.

Ephesians 1:20-22 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

The Father and God of Jesus gave Jesus authority over all names, dominions, powers and principalities. God the Father of Jesus put all things under Him in other words, Jesus is given the title of authority.

Why would the Father give Jesus authority over all things?

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is accepted, which did put all things under him. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

The Father put all things under the authority of Jesus and then Jesus made Himself subject to His Father so that the Father may be all in all, in other words, so He can restore His creation.

So you see, Jesus is God because He was obedient to the Father's will in being a vessel used by the Father to do His will and bring His word to us.

How was Jesus able to bring the truth about our heavenly Father to us? Because Jesus was given the Spirit without measure.

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Jesus is the only one the Father is pleased to have rule over our lives and the Father is the only one who rules over Jesus' life.

To have Jesus rule as God in our lives is not idolatry because God calls us to do this so when we obey Him He still holds His place as the one true God.

Jesus is not the Father and the Father is not the Son. The Father and the Son are one in will and in purpose.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

They are one in will and in purpose just as we can be one with Jesus and the Father in will and purpose, this is why Jesus came.

John 17:20-22 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

Jesus is the Father of everlasting life because He brought it about, in other words, He is the father of it just like Satan is the father of lies because he was the first to lie, he authored it.

Hebrew 5:8-9 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Notice these verses in the Old Testament telling us that Jesus shall be called, Father of everlasting, mighty God, because it is not yet so.

Jesus is the Father of everlasting life, He is mighty God not Almighty God.

We need to give Jesus the place of authority to rule as God in our lives this is His Father's plan of salvation.

Peace, love and joy in Christ,
John

[Trout]

k4cym,

Interesting. . .but the Bible makes it clear that there is only one God.

Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

[k4cym]

Hi Troutk13,

The bible teaches that there is only one TRUE God. In other words, there are many gods and many lords but the true God of all is the Father creator and ruler of all.

1 Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many;

Even though there are many gods and many lords they too have a God who is creator and ruler of all.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.

Even Jesus who is given the title and position to be God or ruler to us has a God it's His Father.

2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for evermore knoweth that I lie not.

Try to keep in mind that the name god is not a person but rather a title or position. To make someone or something a god in your life means you give it authority to control and rule you life, you submit to it in a way that it has control over you.

The bible teaches that we ourselves can be our own god. This is how we got into the mess that we're in the first place.

God the Father and creator of all has given the authority and title to Jesus to rule in our lives as God. In doing so, the Father does not give up His authority of Jesus but rather allows Jesus to reign in our live for the purpose of salvation and restoration.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him. And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.

So you are right when you say there is one true God who is ruler and creator of all but not in the sense that there are no other gods who also rule, some are ruling in our lives against God's will, one is to rule in our lives according to God's will and He is Jesus.

Many blessings,
John

[Trout]

Hi Troutk13,

The bible teaches that there is only one TRUE God. In other words, there are many gods and many lords but the true God of all is the Father creator and ruler of all.

1 Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many;

Even though there are many gods and many lords they too have a God who is creator and ruler of all.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.

Even Jesus who is given the title and position to be God or ruler to us has a God it's His Father.

2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for evermore knoweth that I lie not.

Try to keep in mind that the name god is not a person but rather a title or position. To make someone or something a god in your life means you give it authority to control and rule you life, you submit to it in a way that it has control over you.

The bible teaches that we ourselves can be our own god. This is how we got into the mess that we're in the first place.

God the Father and creator of all has given the authority and title to Jesus to rule in our lives as God. In doing so, the Father does not give up His authority of Jesus but rather allows Jesus to reign in our live for the purpose of salvation and restoration.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him. And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.

So you are right when you say there is one true God who is ruler and creator of all but not in the sense that there are no other gods who also rule, some are ruling in our lives against God's will, one is to rule in our lives according to God's will and He is Jesus.

Many blessings,
John


John,

Simply because someone worships a "god" doesn't mean that the object of their worship is by nature a God.

The Bible makes it very clear that there is only one God "by nature".


Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

We can choose to worship a jade statue of Buddha, and by definition the statue is our "god", but that doesn't mean the statue is actually "God".

The Bible is crystal clear about how many God's there are. . . you can count them on one finger.

Within the nature of the one God there are three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Those three make the one God. That's the only way the Bible makes sense, to say there is more than one God is to call Jehovah a liar.

Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

[k4cym]

Hi Troutk13,

You are right to say that just because we worship something it doesn't make it god. By nature something is not god just because it appears to be holy or superior to anything else in the world for instance, sun worship. People worship the sun because of it's necessity for life just because it has this power does not make it god, by it's nature it's not God.

There is one true God who has revealed Himself in more than just two ways as found in the Trinitarian view.

God has revealed Himself through creation, through angels, through holy men of God, through His word, through the prophets of the Old Testament and in the last days through His Son. He has even revealed Himself personally to a chosen few.

To say that God has only revealed Himself through some kind of spirit outside of Himself or just through His Son makes the bible more complicated than it is and makes our creator a mystery who can't be known other than through blind faith.

This is not the God that I find in scripture neither is it the God who loves us and desires for us to know Him.

The trinity doctrine is part of the false gospel spoken of in 2 Cor.11:4 which preaches another Jesus and a different spirit.

2 Corinthians 11:4 Someone might come preaching about another Jesus who is different from the Jesus we preached to you. You welcome a different kind of spirit that you did not receive. How can you put up so easily with a gospel that is different from the first one you accepted?

The trinity doctrine came long after the apostles through pagan ideas and Greek thought. As a matter of fact those who push the trinity doctrine as being all true didn't even start out as a trinity but rather they only taught the Father and His Son, many years later they decided to add a third person called the Ghost.

Be not deceived there is one God and one man between God and man, the anoited Jesus.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Eternal life is bound up in this understanding.

John 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Many blessing in Christ,
John

[Trout]

k4cym,
I don't know if I fully understand your post?

Are you saying that in order to establish your view of God you must do so extra-biblically?

[k4cym]

Hi Troutk13

I'm not sure what you mean by extra-biblically. I think you're asking me if I believe we have to go outside the bible to understand it.

I believe the bible was given to us to for the purpose for which it states.

2 Timothy 3:14-17 But abide thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them. And that from a babe thou hast known the sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness. That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.

I believe there is a second bible that God uses to help us understand and it's found in the work of God's creation.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.

God tells us that His invisible attributes can be understood by the things that are made even His eternal power and Godhead. In other words, God uses His created things that we can see and understand to help us understand spiritual or invisible truths such as when God equates water with His word. We can understand in the natural world what effect water has in our natural lives, we can't live without it, it cleanses us. Now take this understanding over to the spiritual world and apply this same understanding to how God's word effects our spiritual lives, we can't live without it, it cleanses us.

I believe Jesus is God not in the co-eternal, co-equal sense but rather as appointment by His Father.

1 Corinthians 15:27 For the rule and authority over all things has been given to Christ by his Father; except, of course, Christ does not rule over the Father himself, who gave him this power to rule.

Acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.''

The word god in itself is not a person but rather it's a title or position of a person in the same way the word president is not a person in itself but rather a title.

Jesus was given the title, position, authority to rule over all things by His Father keeping in mind, God still rules over His Son in other words, Jesus has a God that He reports to, His Father.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying.

We have believed a false teaching when we grasp the co-eternal, co-equal three face god who is a mystery to those who seek him.

The false gospel is packed with angel of light doctrines. We need to repent and restudy these things, test them against scripture and believe the true gospel.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Many blessing to you is Christ,
John

[CharlesD]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Jesus the son of God?

[k4cym]

Hi CharlesD

You are correct, Jesus is the Son of the one true God. But we have to get away from how we understand the word God. The word God is not the Father's name, His name is YAHWEH His title is God almighty. Jesus' name is Yahshua and His title is mighty God.

Many blessings to you,
John

[Trout]

Hi Troutk13

I'm not sure what you mean by extra-biblically. I think you're asking me if I believe we have to go outside the bible to understand it.

I believe the bible was given to us to for the purpose for which it states.

2 Timothy 3:14-17 But abide thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them. And that from a babe thou hast known the sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness. That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.

I believe there is a second bible that God uses to help us understand and it's found in the work of God's creation.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.

God tells us that His invisible attributes can be understood by the things that are made even His eternal power and Godhead. In other words, God uses His created things that we can see and understand to help us understand spiritual or invisible truths such as when God equates water with His word. We can understand in the natural world what effect water has in our natural lives, we can't live without it, it cleanses us. Now take this understanding over to the spiritual world and apply this same understanding to how God's word effects our spiritual lives, we can't live without it, it cleanses us.

I believe Jesus is God not in the co-eternal, co-equal sense but rather as appointment by His Father.

1 Corinthians 15:27 For the rule and authority over all things has been given to Christ by his Father; except, of course, Christ does not rule over the Father himself, who gave him this power to rule.

Acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.''

The word god in itself is not a person but rather it's a title or position of a person in the same way the word president is not a person in itself but rather a title.

Jesus was given the title, position, authority to rule over all things by His Father keeping in mind, God still rules over His Son in other words, Jesus has a God that He reports to, His Father.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying.

We have believed a false teaching when we grasp the co-eternal, co-equal three face god who is a mystery to those who seek him.

The false gospel is packed with angel of light doctrines. We need to repent and restudy these things, test them against scripture and believe the true gospel.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Many blessing to you is Christ,
John


So would you agree that the Bible makes it clear that there is only one God?

Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].

[k4cym]

Hi Troutk13,

I believe there is one true God creator of heaven and earth, things seen and unseen, His name is YAHWEH-almighty God. He has a Son name Yahshua-mighty God who has been put over all things for the purpose of restoration.

In Christ,
John

[barryrob]

So would you agree that the Bible makes it clear that there is only one God?

Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].If what you say is right Trout13 why then did God say or have inspired his faithful servants to write:-

Psalm 82:1
God is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One; In the middle of the gods he judges:


Psalm 82:6
"I myself have said, ‘YOU are gods, And all of YOU are sons of the Most High.

1 Corinthians 8:5
For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords,"

As the God say of his word:-

2 Timothy 2:15
Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright.


John 17:17
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.

So what the Bible says must be true, yes.

So we seem to have somthing of a dilema, you say that there is only ONE God but the Inspired Words Of God which are true as the above texts say, and they do not seem to agree with you, why?

Barryrob

[k4cym]

If what you say is right Trout13 why then did God say or have inspired his faithful servants to write:-

Psalm 82:1
God is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One; In the middle of the gods he judges:


Psalm 82:6
"I myself have said, ‘YOU are gods, And all of YOU are sons of the Most High.

1 Corinthians 8:5
For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords,"

As the God say of his word:-

2 Timothy 2:15
Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright.


John 17:17
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.

So what the Bible says must be true, yes.

So we seem to have somthing of a dilema, you say that there is only ONE God but the Inspired Words Of God which are true as the above texts say, and they do not seem to agree with you, why?

Barryrob

Hi Barry,

The word God has many different meanings, it's not the name of the one true God. The word God can mean angels, exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), (very) great, judges, mighty.

If the one true God (YAHWEH) ordaines, gives authority to rule to a person such as Jesus and we obey Jesus just as the one true God commands this does not lower the one true God but rather lifts up the one true God through our obedience to His word to follow Jesus.

Many Blessings,
John

[barryrob]

Hi Troutk13,

I believe there is one true God creator of heaven and earth, things seen and unseen, His name is YAHWEH-almighty God. He has a Son name Yahshua-mighty God who has been put over all things for the purpose of restoration.

In Christ,
John
Yep I will go with that, but would personal prefer the Latin form of their names.

To God's Glory
Barryrob

[barryrob]

Hi Barry,

The word God has many different meanings, it's not the name of the one true God. The word God can mean angels, exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), (very) great, judges, mighty.

If the one true God (YAHWEH) ordaines, gives authority to rule to a person such as Jesus and we obey Jesus just as the one true God commands this does not lower the one true God but rather lifts up the one true God through our obedience to His word to follow Jesus.

Many Blessings,
John
Sounds good to me.
Barryrob

[JAY-PC]

Does Jesus have the nature of God almighty?

[Ja Dog]

Jesus was capable of dying, YHWH can never die(hab1chpv12)

[JAY-PC]

Just hypothetically speaking, if YHWH took on a human body couldn’t the human body die and YHWH still exist?

[Shadow Phoenix]

Alright. I figured I'd weigh in on this. Let's start with the obvious on the number of gods in the universe. I think Trout's verses were crystal clear. The only way to avoid them is to come with a prior agenda. You'll have to exegete the passages and show me why they mean other than what a clear reading would indicate to convince me otherwise.

k4 on the other hand, seems to be arguing that we can call Jesus God based on functional reasons. Now my problem is K4 hasn't really supported their point well. They've posted a verse, made an assertion, and then jumped to the next verse. Hopscotching through the Bible is not the way to do serious exegesis.

Continuing this point, if we can say Jesus is God simply for functional reasons, then why can we not say the same about YHWH? Is YHWH only God when he functions as God or is he God by nature? If he is God by nature, then he would always be God regardless of what he does.

For instance, on the seventh day of creation, God rests. He never ceases to be God, but he ceases from direct activity. (Though he does continue to sustain the universe through his providence, he ceases the work of bringing new creations into existence directly.) When God is resting from action, he possesses all the attributes that make him God. His actions come out of his essence. In other words, his essence precedes his function.

Thus, what God is, God always is. He can never be anything else in his direct essence. He can change the way he reveals himself, but he cannot change his own essence. If he could, then what is good and what is eivl would always be arbitrary since good is based on the nature of God.

Now when the Son shows up on the scene, we have a new revelation. I do agree that God has more than one way of revealing himself, but Hebrews 1:2 says that in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son. In fact, I had a professor once who said that it could be read that God has spoken to us in Son, as if the Son is the language of God.

This gets us into John 1:18 and Col. 1:15. John 1:18 says that the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father has revealed him. The word is the word we get exegesis from. The Son has revealed to us what the Father is like. Col. 1:15 calls him the image of the invisible God. Literally, it means that what God is invisibly, Jesus is visibly.

Both of these texts come in broader contexts that speak of the deity of Christ. The Johannine prologue speaks about him being fully God in the beginning using language that parallels the LXX in Genesis to show that John is writing the story of Jesus beginning at creation and saying that before everything was, the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Colossians is showing that Christ is the supreme heir of creation. By him, all things exist, which shows that for those who raise the objection, that Jesus never died, as in ceasing to exist on the cross, for if he had, then all of creation would cease to exist since all things hold together in Christ. The body of Jesus died, but Jesus is not his body. Thus, the refutation is shot down.

As for John 10:30 which was posted, this is not a functional unity since Jesus describes the functions he has been doing and the Jews still want to stone him. Furthermore, if functional unity with God means doing the works of God, then why would the Jews want to stone him for that? Would they stone the priests for wanting to keep the law?

Jesus was being stoned for blasphemy. In fact, Jesus's response uses the argumentation of Qal Wahomer and takes them further than they want to go saying that if wicked and evil people can be called gods, then cannot he, the truly righteous one be called the Son of God? Again, they picked up Jews to stone him. It's unbelievable to say the Jews were too ignorant to understand the point he was trying to make but people 2,000 years later divorced from the situation and context know better than them. If they picked up stones, it was because they heard something they took as blasphemous, and we should highly consider that.

Thus, is Jesus God? If you mean, is Jesus the Godhead, then no. If you mean "Does Jesus fully possess all the attributes of deity?", then yes. This is a mistake often made by those against the Trinity. When we say Jesus is God, we do not mean that he is the Godhead or that he is the Father.

Furthermore, if one wishes to use natural revelation, then I say to tell me this. Who was the Father loving before the creation? If love is outward, which it is, then there must have been someone capable of reciprocating the love of the Father. Who was it?

Furthermore, if God began to love and the Son was the result of that love, then the Son is born in time. Well and good it seems for the JW until we get to this point. This is only if the love of the Father is not eternal. When the love of the Father acts, then out of that comes the Son who is eternally begotten of the Father.

If God is eternally love, then he is eternally begetting the Son who is eternally reciprocating that love. If the Son is not eternal, then the love of the Father is not eternal. If the love of the Father is not eternal, then God by his essence is not love. God acts and then becomes love, and this places God in time again. In other words, to attack the deity of the Son is to attack the deity of the Father.

Just something for you to think about.