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Magdalenbrother
December 18th 2004, 01:24 AM
We have a thread on the Matthean Magi on this board and the charming story has reminded me of late of the (in)famous Star Prophecy.

I didn't know about it until I read Robert Eisenman's formidable volume on James, the Brother of Jesus, a (difficult) book I recommend to everyone who wants to know the truth about early Christianity.

The Star prophecy played a very important role in the religious expectations of the suffering Jewish people during the Second Temple period. Even the pagans could not remain indifferent to it.

Now what is the Star Prophecy? This God-breathed prediction (it is recorded in the Bible!) was uttered by a pagan, the prophet Balaam, son of Beor, 1450 years before the advent of the Galilean Messiah from humble Nazareth. Here it goes:

There shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Scepter shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the sons of Sheth.(Numbers 24,15-17)

The "wise men of the East" who followed the star when the Lord was born were probably from the same country as Balaam, -- so long did these Syrian people preserve their knowledge about the Lord !

Another interesting anecdote about the star of Bethlehem is that it has a number of similarities with a star that appeared over Jerusalem in 66 AD/CE (at the beginning of the great Jewish uprising against Caesar) that was described by Josephus in The Jewish War (6.5.3 289). Our famous Jewish turncoat speaks, like Matthew, of a star that stood in the sky in an apparently miraculous way, contrary to the natural movements of the heavens. The rebels in 66 used the same terminology and connected the star to Biblical the prophecies of Balaam. Matthew, who is believed to have written only a few years later, may have borrowed their terminology, regarding it as an authentically Jewish way to describe a star predicting the imminent coming of the Davidic Messiah.

As we all know, the first Jewish revolt was followed by another one in 135 (which by the way shows that the estruction of the Second Temple did not bring about the total demise of the Jewish nation and cannot therefore be equated with the end of the world supposedly predicted by Jesus!). This rebellion was led by a certain Bar Kochba. "Bar Kochba" means in Aramaic: son of the star !

The Star Prophecy is often connected with the Davidic "World Ruler prophecy" in Isaiah:

And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious." (Isaiah 11:1,10 KJV)

Why did I say that this is an infamous prophecy?

Apart fom the fact that it misled thousands of Jews in the first and second century AD/CE to die for absolutely nothing, the prophecy was used by Josephus and Ben Zakkai, the leader of the Pharisees, to flatter the Roman Emperor (as a result Josephus was adopted into the imperial family of the Flavians and the Pharisees became the dominant sect of Judaism after the Temple had been razed to the ground !):

What did the most to induce the Jews to start this war, was an ambiguous oracle that was also found in their sacred writings, how, about that time, one from their country should become governor of the habitable earth. The Jews took this prediction to belong to themselves in particular, and many of the wise men were thereby deceived in their determination. Now this oracle certainly denoted the government of Vespasian, who was appointed emperor in Judea. (Flavius Josephus Jewish War 6.312-313)

The pagans knew about it too:

There had spread over all the Orient an old and established belief, that it was fated for men coming from Judaea to rule the world. This prediction, referring to the emperor of Rome -as afterwards appeared from the event- the people of Judaea took to themselves. (Suetonius, Life of Vespasian 4.5)

By a strange coincidence a comet appeared in 69, the year before Vespasian was proclaimed Emperor after a coup d'Etat.

But the real reason why I say that these prophecies are infamous is because of the absurd ethnic infatuation of the Jews with themselves that they betray.

We know that all the peoples of Antiquity considered themselves the most civilized and human representatives of the race. The Greeks considered non-Greeks as immature, half-human creatures, barbaroi. But to my knowledge the Jews are the only people on earth who have gone so far as to

1. Consider the gods of other nations as worthless or worse still, devilish;
2. Consider themselves God's special, elected people;
3. Claim nothing less than total world leadership for a member of their little group.

What we have here is not only a pathologically (and pathetically) overbloated national ego, a trait that can easily be explained considering the long history of oppression and humiliation of the Jews, but also the seeds of intolerance and fascism, alas! Notions of a "superior" race and divine right to rule the world are essential elements of fascism, aren't they? This leads me to the painful conclusion that the Jewish holy book and its narrow monotheism (who said that monotheism is better than polytheism?) are not totally foreign to...Mein Kampf. What better illustration could we have of the Chinese principle that all opposites are in fact intermingled?

IOW, how can Gentiles feel safe and comfortable with the Jews as long as the latter regard themselves a God-appointed superior race destined to rule the universe? How can Christians, who are the spiritual heirs of Judaism, stop doing mischief as long as they believe in exclusive salvation, a natural outgrowth of Jewish monotheistic faith?

These are not vicious questions, guys, they are serious questions that Christians and Jews must face. And that non-Jews and pagans have a right to ask.

Paradoxically, the Christians, who have specialized themselves throughout the long centuries of their (mis)rule of the West in brutal, bloody antisemitism, have themselves spread the xenophobic and ethnocentric idiocies of the Bible to the farthest corners of the earth and still cling to the belief that

a Jew is God !!!

(while the Jews believe simply and modestly that God is for the Jews: Gott mit uns!)


Oh by Zeus when will all this all too human biblical nonsense stop?



PS: If you don't want to discuss the content of this sulphurous post, we may chat about whether it is permissible to criticize the Jews and their religion in our tolerant and enlightened 21st century :lol: :lol: :lol: .

Ken1Burton
December 23rd 2004, 09:19 PM
Oh little star of Bethlehem. Sounds like a Comet? Better put the Comet by the Kitchen sink, that is where it belongs, not in the night sky at Bethlehem in what we would call 4 bc.

Genesis 1:14 shows the Stars as for signs, and the Sign post at Bethlehem said to look for a VERY BRIGHT MOON, Look for it in what we call 4 bc. But they Kings were thinking it was located over Jerusalem.

God speaks in similitudes, And there is one for Bethlehem. BUT there is a PROBLEM, The Church does not want to use it. For it starts with the Word "ARISE"

How could God come down and take the form of a man with the word ARISE?

"We three kings from Orient are, Studying Isaiah, and we have this so far."

1=The Brightness of the Moon in Isaiah 60:19 is the Star or SIGN we need to see.

2=He will ARISE, As He is coming back from the DEAD. Isaiah 60:1

3=He will be 1,000 years, When this happens. or it will be 4 bc.

4=We must come on Camels (Humphery rides again)

5=We must bring Gold and Incense.

6=King of Midian, Ephah, and those of Sheba must come.

(ISAIAH 58:13) Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory
of the Lord is risen upon thee. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 60:2) For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and
gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and
his glory shall be seen upon thee. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 60:3) And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings
to the brightness of thy rising. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 60:4) Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they
gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come
from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 60:5) Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine
heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea
shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come
unto thee. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 60:6) The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the
dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come:
they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the
praises of the Lord. (KJV)

(ISAIAH 60:19) The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither
for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord
shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
(KJV)

(ISAIAH 60:22) A little one shall become a thousand, and a small
one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time. (KJV)

The Little one shall be 1,000. 1,000 years earlier David's child born outside wedlock died 7 days after birth. 1,000 years later after being REBORN, He is laid in a Manger.

The other babies there was why the Shepherds were told "You will find HIM Lying in a manger."

After David took Bathesheba and she conceived and bore a Son, God sent a parable unto David, about a WAYFARING man who had come unto David, the Promise of the Messiah is who came unto David in 2Samuel 7:11/14.

(2SAMUEL 12:4) And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he
spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for
the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's
lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him. (KJV)

(JEREMIAH 14:8) O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time
of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as
a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night? (KJV)

Strange how this GOD of Israel can predict in detail? He must have some special insight. Strange how only the Scriptures show this insight. Too bad Buddah,

God hid the Moon for a little while, He wanted them to go to Jerusalem, And why not, the Scriptures show "THIS MAN WAS BORN THERE." And that is where the Child of David was born, and that is where the Body of Christ was born the day of the cross as Psalms 2:6/7 shows.

(PSALMS 87:4) I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that
know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was
born there. (KJV)
(PSALMS 87:5) And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was
born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her. (KJV)
(PSALMS 87:6) The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people,
that this man was born there. Selah. (KJV)

This is why Jesus told Martha, Before going to the Cross "I am the Resurrection." and why He told the Disciples before going to the cross "Again I leave the world and go to the Father." AGAIN is a KEYWORD.

Ken

Magdalenbrother
December 24th 2004, 03:29 AM
I made a mistake in the head post. The "World Ruler Prophecy" is in fact a conflation of both Numbers 24 and Gen 49, 10 (the Shiloh prophecy). Isaiah has nothing to do with it.

shunyadragon
December 24th 2004, 04:23 AM
We have a thread on the Matthean Magi on this board and the charming story has reminded me of late of the (in)famous Star Prophecy.

PS: If you don't want to discuss the content of this sulphurous post, we may chat about whether it is permissible to criticize the Jews and their religion in our tolerant and enlightened 21st century :lol: :lol: :lol: .Great post! Some pearls to you for the Winter Solstice.

Magdalenbrother
December 24th 2004, 05:01 AM
Thank you Great Fearless Dragon! A Luminous Winter Solstice/ Nativity Festival to you too! Y viva Chavez para siempre (he's in China now, I'd love to meet him!!!)!!!!

I'm preparing a post on Marc Chagall's White Crucifixion painting on the same subject. I hope you will appreciate it too.