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kofh2u
January 3rd 2005, 05:58 PM
1) To be divine, God, is to not die.
2) Elijah never died.
3) Elijah was promised to return...
"Behold, I will send you Elijah, ...(AGAIN)...
4) Jesus overcame death, and walked with his disciples, leaving us much as did Elijah, ascending alive, into heaven.
5) Jesus is/was the miracle worker of the Christian, while Ejah was/is the miracle worker of the Jew.
6) Christians were promised another great and terrible day of a returned Lord:
"Rev. 16:14 ... to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
7) So, likewise, is the Jew promised such a day:
"Behold, I will send you Elijah, ...
... before the (SECOND) coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: (Mal. 4:5)
Matt. 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors, [a door (of understanding) was opened in heaven (within my mind), Rev 4:1].
Magdalenbrother
January 4th 2005, 01:49 AM
1) To be divine, God, is to not die.
2) Elijah never died.
3) Elijah was promised to return...
"Behold, I will send you Elijah, ...(AGAIN)...
4) Jesus overcame death, and walked with his disciples, leaving us much as did Elijah, ascending alive, into heaven.
5) Jesus is/was the miracle worker of the Christian, while Ejah was/is the miracle worker of the Jew.
6) Christians were promised another great and terrible day of a returned Lord:
"Rev. 16:14 ... to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
7) So, likewise, is the Jew promised such a day:
"Behold, I will send you Elijah, ...
... before the (SECOND) coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: (Mal. 4:5)
Matt. 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors, [a door (of understanding) was opened in heaven (within my mind), Rev 4:1].
But what about Jesus'sayings to the effect that The Baptist was Elijah? True, John the Baptist denied he was Elijah.
Another contradiction in the infallible Word of God?
Cyrus of Persia
January 4th 2005, 11:55 AM
But what about Jesus'sayings to the effect that The Baptist was Elijah? True, John the Baptist denied he was Elijah.
Another contradiction in the infallible Word of God?
NT only gives some hints that John the Baptist might be Elijah. There is no hint that Elijah = Jesus. Otherwise you could label the story where Jesus meets Moses and Elijah on mountain and His disciples seeing it too as a case of mass-scisophernia (John the Baptist was dead by that time, btw).
kofh2u
January 4th 2005, 01:57 PM
But what about Jesus'sayings to the effect that The Baptist was Elijah? True, John the Baptist denied he was Elijah.
Another contradiction in the infallible Word of God?
1) Unfair!
2) First things first.
YOU AGREE ELIJAH = JESUS...immortal, ...
I take your statement beginning with, "But,..." to be an indirect admission that the Jews ignored the return of the expected miracle worker, Elijah = messiah = Jesus..
Elijah then qualfies as messiah ben Joseph, for the Jew at least.
3) This eliminates Jew protests about anti-Torah Jesus, because, under these circumstances, we can understand what Christ meant. Christ said:
Matthew 11:27
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows, (can identify), the Son except (by prophecies from) the Father, (the Word, which is God), and no one knows, (that is, correctly interprets), the Father, (the Word, which pre-existed written scripture), except the Son, (Jesus), and those to whom the Son, (the returned Elijah), chooses (to open the scriptures), to reveal him, (the Word).
Certainly, the Jews no longer have an argument against the behavior of this Highest of Priests.
Christ, the immortal messiah ben Joseph in Jew tradition, held more power than the mere Kohanim. They had OK'd David, feeding his men on the Sabbath, for instance.
4) As regards the errors in the balance of your post, read more closely.
Christ said, IF... if you who might wish to entangle me in my words...
If you people, who ask stupid questions, and who conspire to trap me in my words, you who are Jews, want to think of John as the Elijah to my coming, fine!
(Remember, some Jews looked for messiah ben David only.)
John was sort of claiming to make a path for Jesus. Jesus could care less about selling the ideas of just which messenger he would be to people.
Seeming a contradiction, depending upon the audience, he is the God of the Gentile, and, at one and the same time, the DIVINE, immortal Elijah, the magical Messiah ben Joseph to the Jews.
There will be no mistake when Messiah ben David, root of David, the lion of Judah comes.
Matt. 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
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