Magdalenbrother
January 8th 2005, 02:13 AM
Fasten your intellectual seat belts, please, this promises to be one of the more outrageously unorthodox posts ever published on this most holy Christian forum.
One word about David Icke (Icke like nice): he is Brittish, he used to play football and be a prominent member of the Green Party in the UK. After an "illumination" in the Peruvian Andes a dozen or so years ago, he became a sort of spiritual teacher who gives lectures all over the world. Unlike others, he doesn't claim to be the Christ or the reincarnation of some great historical figure: he is just David, thank God! And yes, he has a big website with lots of essays and information.
David Icke's message is special in that it contains a lot of material referring to politics and history. He doesn't make many alluring prophecies, he prefers to illuminate present and past history.
The illumination is sobering but not completely disheartening.
David Icke's historical perspective is the conspiratorial view of history, often derided (for good reasons, hehe) as "conspiracy theory". But for David, the plotters are not humans, but creatures who only appear to be humans. He calls them "reptilians". These dragons (Shuny, don't be offended!) are not from this world, but from another dimension. They have come here because the universe in which they live is impoverished and dying. They need energy and they have found it here on earth by exploiting our negative emotions. These reptilians literally feed on our sadness, anger, despair and other manifestations of negativity.
Because the suffering of human beings is their daily bread, reptilians need to create constant, increasing suffering for human beings. In order to attain their goal, they have taken a human form and become the rulers of the different nations of the world through their ruthlessness, utter lack of morality and feelings, and their diabolical cunning. They are now planning to create a One World Government, so that their power will become limitless. They will have to achieve this very soon because the earth is changing and their real identity will soon become apparent to all (that's the prophetic aspect of David's teachings, nothing much to fantasize about, as you can see).
How does David know all this?
Well, he wasn't told about the reptilians when light poured down from the sky in Peru: he discovered the conspiracy because people told him about reptilians and because he actually saw some of them himself. He tells for example that one day, sitting next to Mr.Heath, then prime minister of Great-Brittain, he looked into his eyes and realized the man wasn't human at all: the infinite darkness in his eyes betrayed a total lack of human feelings. People who had been the victims of ritual abuse repeatedly told him that their tormentors shape-shifted and became like dragons (on this see "The Trance-formation of America" by Cathy O'Brien with Mark Phillips). South-African and other shamans and sages confirmed his suspicions by telling him their age-old myths about the enemies of the human race.
Now you might think that this absolute nonsense and dismiss David's presentation of human history as total mumbo-jumbo, but if you are an avid reader of the Bible, you may have to reconsider!
This is something I realized when I started probing into David's theories. I was shocked when I discovered that I had completely disregarded or misinterpreted the numerous Biblical passages relating to snakes and dragons.
The problem was that like so many Christians I hadn't been literal enough when a literal reading was required.
Beginning with Genesis, we read that the snake was not only the most cunning of the animals, but also the most "naked" one. The Hebrew word for cunning can also be read "naked" (arum). We know that humans were naked, which means they had no fur or feathers like the other animals. So the snake was probably a humanoid who stood on his legs like Adam and Eve. Hence the possibility of a dialogue between him and our poor female ancestor.
After the curse, the offspring of the snake, says the Bible, will be locked in unending strife with the whole human race: humans will "crush" their heads, while they crush their "heels". No easy victory is promised. There is no indication that the offspring of the snake is merely a disincarnated race of evil spirits. The OT often speaks of the "sons of Belial" and these people are real, not just invisible beings.
In the NT, indications (super)abound:
There we hear not only of "vipers" (this is what sweet Jesus called the Pharisees), but of sons of the Enemy, sons of Darkness, sons of this World, who are to be utterly destroyed at the Last Judgment, as if they belonged to a different biological sort altogether. Jesus says that Judas is a "demon" and that his Judean hearers have Satan, the primordial Snake, as their actual "father". He declares that He is fundamentally (racially?) different from them.
Jesus also calls the Devil the "Prince of this World", which confirms that Satan's assertion that all the kingdoms, ie all political power, belong to him, is not a lie-for a change :lol: .
Paul, who elsewhere asserts that all secular authority is of God and that he rulers of this world are to be obeyed unconditionally, is not afraid to grossly contradict himself by asserting not only that these same rulers have crucified the "Prince of Life" (archegon to biou), but also that the whole universe has been delivered into the hands of the powers of darkness or nothingness, and that the struggle of the believer is primarily with the demonic powers of the "air".
I say that David Icke's theory is confirmed point by point by the Bible.
Topic for discussion:
Is Mr. Bush a reptilian? Is he of God or of the "powers of the air"?
:sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh:
One word about David Icke (Icke like nice): he is Brittish, he used to play football and be a prominent member of the Green Party in the UK. After an "illumination" in the Peruvian Andes a dozen or so years ago, he became a sort of spiritual teacher who gives lectures all over the world. Unlike others, he doesn't claim to be the Christ or the reincarnation of some great historical figure: he is just David, thank God! And yes, he has a big website with lots of essays and information.
David Icke's message is special in that it contains a lot of material referring to politics and history. He doesn't make many alluring prophecies, he prefers to illuminate present and past history.
The illumination is sobering but not completely disheartening.
David Icke's historical perspective is the conspiratorial view of history, often derided (for good reasons, hehe) as "conspiracy theory". But for David, the plotters are not humans, but creatures who only appear to be humans. He calls them "reptilians". These dragons (Shuny, don't be offended!) are not from this world, but from another dimension. They have come here because the universe in which they live is impoverished and dying. They need energy and they have found it here on earth by exploiting our negative emotions. These reptilians literally feed on our sadness, anger, despair and other manifestations of negativity.
Because the suffering of human beings is their daily bread, reptilians need to create constant, increasing suffering for human beings. In order to attain their goal, they have taken a human form and become the rulers of the different nations of the world through their ruthlessness, utter lack of morality and feelings, and their diabolical cunning. They are now planning to create a One World Government, so that their power will become limitless. They will have to achieve this very soon because the earth is changing and their real identity will soon become apparent to all (that's the prophetic aspect of David's teachings, nothing much to fantasize about, as you can see).
How does David know all this?
Well, he wasn't told about the reptilians when light poured down from the sky in Peru: he discovered the conspiracy because people told him about reptilians and because he actually saw some of them himself. He tells for example that one day, sitting next to Mr.Heath, then prime minister of Great-Brittain, he looked into his eyes and realized the man wasn't human at all: the infinite darkness in his eyes betrayed a total lack of human feelings. People who had been the victims of ritual abuse repeatedly told him that their tormentors shape-shifted and became like dragons (on this see "The Trance-formation of America" by Cathy O'Brien with Mark Phillips). South-African and other shamans and sages confirmed his suspicions by telling him their age-old myths about the enemies of the human race.
Now you might think that this absolute nonsense and dismiss David's presentation of human history as total mumbo-jumbo, but if you are an avid reader of the Bible, you may have to reconsider!
This is something I realized when I started probing into David's theories. I was shocked when I discovered that I had completely disregarded or misinterpreted the numerous Biblical passages relating to snakes and dragons.
The problem was that like so many Christians I hadn't been literal enough when a literal reading was required.
Beginning with Genesis, we read that the snake was not only the most cunning of the animals, but also the most "naked" one. The Hebrew word for cunning can also be read "naked" (arum). We know that humans were naked, which means they had no fur or feathers like the other animals. So the snake was probably a humanoid who stood on his legs like Adam and Eve. Hence the possibility of a dialogue between him and our poor female ancestor.
After the curse, the offspring of the snake, says the Bible, will be locked in unending strife with the whole human race: humans will "crush" their heads, while they crush their "heels". No easy victory is promised. There is no indication that the offspring of the snake is merely a disincarnated race of evil spirits. The OT often speaks of the "sons of Belial" and these people are real, not just invisible beings.
In the NT, indications (super)abound:
There we hear not only of "vipers" (this is what sweet Jesus called the Pharisees), but of sons of the Enemy, sons of Darkness, sons of this World, who are to be utterly destroyed at the Last Judgment, as if they belonged to a different biological sort altogether. Jesus says that Judas is a "demon" and that his Judean hearers have Satan, the primordial Snake, as their actual "father". He declares that He is fundamentally (racially?) different from them.
Jesus also calls the Devil the "Prince of this World", which confirms that Satan's assertion that all the kingdoms, ie all political power, belong to him, is not a lie-for a change :lol: .
Paul, who elsewhere asserts that all secular authority is of God and that he rulers of this world are to be obeyed unconditionally, is not afraid to grossly contradict himself by asserting not only that these same rulers have crucified the "Prince of Life" (archegon to biou), but also that the whole universe has been delivered into the hands of the powers of darkness or nothingness, and that the struggle of the believer is primarily with the demonic powers of the "air".
I say that David Icke's theory is confirmed point by point by the Bible.
Topic for discussion:
Is Mr. Bush a reptilian? Is he of God or of the "powers of the air"?
:sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: