Daniel was a False Prophet!!!!!

[InChristAlways]

According to this site, Daniel was a false prophet, and if I would have read sites such as this before God came into my life, I would probably believe it.

The churches today of course mangle Daniel's prophecy and most all prophecies to show it is still all "future" or at least some of it(diehard "dispensationalists mostly), which I believe is untrue, as revelation indeed shows half of Daniel's 70 weeks fulfilled upon the birth and ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ. This leaves 42 months of tribulation/wraths in revelation, so sorry folks, no pretrib rapture for you. God bless.

Danie 9:26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

reve 12:5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

luke 21:22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 "And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html

All this is rather 'jarring' to read, and does leave a person scratching their heads, wondering what is wrong with this picture. A doctrine of the 'revived Roman empire' was then concocted, and at the time this happens, the clock will start ticking again and that last bit of prophecy will finally be fulfilled. This might explain chapter nine, if you choose to accept such nimble interpretation, but another excuse would have to be cooked up for chapters 10 to 12, for it is self evident that in this source (written in the second century in response to Antiochus IV) the world did not end immediately after Antiochus despoiled Jerusalem and the temple, Michael was not outraged enough to promptly end the world. This 'clock' must have 'stopped ticking' as well, awaiting the awakening and the rise of the 'revived Selucid Greek empire' at which time it will finally be fulfilled. This would, of course, require ending the world twice (once to Revive the Romans and thus salvage chapter 9, and a second go at it to revive the Greeks and salvage chapter 12. Whether or not we can all tolerate suffering through two ends of the world is a good question, but this would be required to salvage the doctrine of 'Biblical inerrancy.' I have found that most interpreters focus on chapter nine, and, it would seem, just ignore chapter 11.

This is really embarrassing stuff, and the church has been 'apologizing' for it ever since. I offer it for your examination to make the point that those churches should have been more critical, and that by swallowing a false prophecy they became false prophets themselves, which proves the point conclusively. Of course, there is an 'apology' for all this. What they meant to say was 'the generation that sees all these things will not pass away...' Unfortunately that is not what they said. It was clearly those disciples who were not going to pass away before the world ended. (This is another form of apologetics - force something to mean something else, and make someone say what they did not say, or rather, what you really wish they would have said, but didn't unfortunately - how embarrassing, but that is my point.)

[Timothy Leary]

Danie 9:26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Mistranslation.

[InChristAlways]

Mistranslation. Can you please supply me with the translation you have as it is obvious Daniel was to be fulfilled upon the destruction of jerusalem in the first century? I know the jews have their own way of translating the OT, so I am curious. Thanks. God bless.

(NKJV) Daniel 9:26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it [shall be] with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
(NASB) Daniel 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
(KJV) Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. {but...: or, and shall have nothing} {desolations...: or, it shall be cut off by desolations}


(ASV) Daniel 9:26 And after the threescore and two weeks shall the anointed one be cut off, and shall have nothing: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined. (Darby) Daniel 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, and shall have nothing; and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with an overflow, and unto the end, war, --the desolations determined. (Young) Daniel 9:26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end with a flood, and till the end [is] war, determined [are] desolations. (MKJV (Green)) Daniel 9:26 And after sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself. And the people of the ruler who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. And the end of it shall be with the flood, and ruins are determined, until the end shall be war. (Douay-Rheims) Daniel 9:26 And after sixty-two weeks Christ shall be slain: and the people that shall deny him shall not be his. And a people, with their leader, that shall come, shall destroy the city, and the sanctuary: and the end thereof shall be waste, and after the end of the war the appointed desolation.



Danie 9:[i]26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

reve 12:5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

luke 21:22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 "And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

isaiah 28:14 Therefore hear the word of the LORD, you scornful men, Who rule this people who [are] in Jerusalem, 15 Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with Death, And with Hades we are in agreement. When the overflowing scourge passes through, It will not come to us, For we have made lies our refuge, And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves." 16 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation,17 Also I will make justice the measuring line, And righteousness the plummet; The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, And the waters will overflow the hiding place. 18 Your covenant with death will be annulled, And your agreement with Sheol will not stand; When the overflowing scourge passes through, Then you will be trampled down by it.


http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html

All this is rather 'jarring' to read, and does leave a person scratching their heads, wondering what is wrong with this picture. A doctrine of the 'revived Roman empire' was then concocted, and at the time this happens, the clock will start ticking again and that last bit of prophecy will finally be fulfilled. This might explain chapter nine, if you choose to accept such nimble interpretation, but another excuse would have to be cooked up for chapters 10 to 12, for it is self evident that in this source (written in the second century in response to Antiochus IV) the world did not end immediately after Antiochus despoiled Jerusalem and the temple, Michael was not outraged enough to promptly end the world. This 'clock' must have 'stopped ticking' as well, awaiting the awakening and the rise of the 'revived Selucid Greek empire' at which time it will finally be fulfilled. This would, of course, require ending the world twice (once to Revive the Romans and thus salvage chapter 9, and a second go at it to revive the Greeks and salvage chapter 12. Whether or not we can all tolerate suffering through two ends of the world is a good question, but this would be required to salvage the doctrine of 'Biblical inerrancy.' I have found that most interpreters focus on chapter nine, and, it would seem, just ignore chapter 11.

This is really embarrassing stuff, and the church has been 'apologizing' for it ever since. I offer it for your examination to make the point that those churches should have been more critical, and that by swallowing a false prophecy they became false prophets themselves, which proves the point conclusively. Of course, there is an 'apology' for all this. What they meant to say was 'the generation that sees all these things will not pass away...' Unfortunately that is not what they said. It was clearly those disciples who were not going to pass away before the world ended. (This is another form of apologetics - force something to mean something else, and make someone say what they did not say, or rather, what you really wish they would have said, but didn't unfortunately - how embarrassing, but that is my point.)

[Timothy Leary]

The text says "an annointed prince". It may not seem like a big difference, but the title does not neccessarily mean "messiah."

[shunyadragon]

The text says "an annointed prince". It may not seem like a big difference, but the title does not neccessarily mean "messiah."
Some Bible translations use, 'an (the) Annointed One'. Could expand on your view as to who 'an annointed prince' would be as opposed to a messiah.

I also noticed some translations footnote the use of 'an' as opposed to 'the'. Would there be a difference in the meaning in Hebrew for these two ways to word the prophecy.

[Sacrificial Ram]

Some Bible translations use, 'an (the) Annointed One'. Could expand on your view as to who 'an annointed prince' would be as opposed to a messiah.

I also noticed some translations footnote the use of 'an' as opposed to 'the'. Would there be a difference in the meaning in Hebrew for these two ways to word the prophecy.
Point. The book of danial was not written BY danial, but was rather written in the 2nd century B.C.E. That is why is it in the 'writings', and not the 'prophets'.

[Timothy Leary]

Point. The book of danial was not written BY danial, but was rather written in the 2nd century B.C.E.

Do you have any evidence for this POV? Most scholars agree that the Tanakh was cannonized 300 b.c.e. or earlier, in which case I would find it hard to think that it was written later.

[Timothy Leary]

Some Bible translations use, 'an (the) Annointed One'. Could expand on your view as to who 'an annointed prince' would be as opposed to a messiah.

An annointed prince could be any prince who was annointed, as opposed to a specific Messiah. I am not knowledable enough to comment much on this subject, however here are a few pages that explain the Jewish POV:

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-da.html (especially http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq043.html , which is linked on that page)

http://www.faithstrengthened.org/FSpart1chapter42.html

I also noticed some translations footnote the use of 'an' as opposed to 'the'. Would there be a difference in the meaning in Hebrew for these two ways to word the prophecy.

It would use the definite article "Ha", if it was to be rendered as "the". "the dog" would be הכלב, whereas "a dog" would just be כלב.

[shunyadragon]

An annointed prince could be any prince who was annointed, as opposed to a specific Messiah. I am not knowledable enough to comment much on this subject, however here are a few pages that explain the Jewish POV:

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-da.html (especially

It would use the definite article "Ha", if it was to be rendered as "the". "the dog" would be הכלב, whereas "a dog" would just be כלב.
I think it is worth posting this from Jews for Judaism, because it reinforces the multiple messiah view and gives a different view on the timing of the prophecy.




http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/images/purple2arrow.gif Question: I have noticed that there are many differences between Jewish Bible translations of Daniel 9:25-26 and several different Christian Bible translations. What should be the correct readings of the disputed words and phrases?





Answer:In our study of the different translations we will compare the Hebrew text with that of the King James Version of the Bible. It contains the grossest errors, which are, in whole or in part, duplicated by other Christian versions of the Bible.

First, the King James Version puts a definite article before "Messiah the Prince" (9:25). The original Hebrew text does not read "the Messiah the Prince," but, having no article, it is to be rendered "a mashiach ["anointed one," "messiah"], a prince," i.e., Cyrus (Isaiah 45:1, 13; Ezra 1:1-2).

The word mashiach is nowhere used in the Jewish Scriptures as a proper name, but as a title of authority of a king or a high priest. Therefore, a correct rendering of the original Hebrew should be: "an anointed one, a prince."

Second, the King James Version disregards the Hebrew punctuation. The punctuation mark 'atnach functions as the main pause within a sentence. The 'atnach is the appropriate equivalent of the semicolon in the modern system of punctuation. It thus has the effect of separating the seven weeks from the sixty-two weeks: ". . . until an anointed one, a prince, shall be seven weeks; then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again . . ." (9:25).

By creating a sixty-nine week period, which is not divided into two separate periods of seven weeks and sixty-two weeks respectively, Christians reach an incorrect conclusion, i.e., that the Messiah will come 483 years after the destruction of the First Temple.

Some Christians claim that there is something called a "prophetic year" of 360 days, thus shortening the interval between the beginning of the 483 years which they claim began in 444 B.C.E., and the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. They do this in order to make the dates coincide, but the claim of a "prophetic year" is without any scriptural foundation.

Third, the King James Version omits the definite article in Daniel 9:26, which should read: "And after the threescore and two weeks. . . ." By treating the sixty-two weeks as a distinct period, this verse, in the original Hebrew, shows that the sixty-two weeks mentioned in verse 25 are correctly separated from the seven weeks by the 'atnach. Hence, two anointed ones are spoken of in this chapter, one of whom comes after seven weeks (Cyrus), and the other after a further period of sixty-two weeks (Alexander Yannai). Fourth, the words v'ayn lo (9:26) are incorrectly translated by the King James Version as "but not for himself." They should be translated as "he has nothing" or "he shall have nothing." There are Christian commentators who maintain this phrase has both meanings, but that claim cannot be supported grammatically.

Content Copyright Gerald Sigal, 1999-2003

[Sacrificial Ram]

Do you have any evidence for this POV? Most scholars agree that the Tanakh was cannonized 300 b.c.e. or earlier, in which case I would find it hard to think that it was written later.
Why, yes, I do, as a matter of fact.

This link gives a fairly good assessment of it, and has further links to
a large number of resources.

http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/daniel.html

An extract from that page is


W. Sibley Towner writes: "Daniel is one of the few OT books that can be given a fairly firm date. In the form in which we have it (perhaps without the additions of 12:11, 12), the book must have been given its final form some time in the years 167-164 B.C. This dating is based upon two assumptions: first, that the authors lived at the later end of the historical surveys that characterize Daniel 7-12; and second, that prophecy is accurate only when it is given after the fact, whereas predictions about the future tend to run astray. Based upon these assumptions, the references to the desecration of the Temple and the 'abomination that makes desolate' in 8:9-12; 9:27; and 11:31 must refer to events known to the author. The best candidates for the historical referents of these events are the desecration of the Temple in Jerusalem and the erection in it of a pagan altar in the autumn of 167 B.C. by Antiochus IV Epiphanes. The inaccurate description of the end of Antiochus' reign and his death in 11:40-45, on the other hand, suggests that the author did not know of those events, which occurred late in 164 or early in 163 B.C. The roots of the hagiographa (idealizing stories) about Daniel and his friends in chaps. 1-6 may date to an earlier time, but the entire work was given its final shape in 164 B.C." (Harper's Bible Commentary, p. 696)

[InChristAlways]

First, the King James Version puts a definite article before "Messiah the Prince" (9:25). The original Hebrew text does not read "the Messiah the Prince," but, having no article, it is to be rendered "a mashiach ["anointed one," "messiah"], a prince," i.e., Cyrus (Isaiah 45:1, 13; Ezra 1:1-2).
The word mashiach is nowhere used in the Jewish Scriptures as a proper name, but as a title of authority of a king or a high priest. Therefore, a correct rendering of the original Hebrew should be: "an anointed one, a prince."
Hi Forum,
Almost all scholars agree that it is Jesus as the manchild taken up in revelation chapt 12. The woman could represent symbolically Jacob/Israel or even Judah, since Jesus came from the House of Judah and the one condemned in the OT and NT and called a HARLOT.
If that is the case, then this must also be the first half of Daniel's 70th week fulfilled(3 and half yrs of Christ preaching the GOOD NEWS). That leaves a period of Tribulations for about 37-42 months(Olivet Discourse), then a period of wraths. (a 5 month period is shown in reve chapt 9, which may be the actual wraths on Jerusaelem, not sure). Thanks and God bless.

reve 12:5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. reve 5:5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals." 6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain,

Danie 9:26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Who could Daniel be referring to as the "Holy People" here? Could it be the same ones being measured for Judgement in chapt 11 of revelation?


daniel 12:7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who [was] above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that for a time, times, and half [a time;] and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these [things] shall be finished.

Daniel 8:[i]24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; He shall destroy fearfully, And shall prosper and thrive; He shall destroy the mighty, and [also] the holy people.

Deut 7:6 " For you [are] a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth.


Revelation 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 "But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will Trample the holy city underfoot [for] forty-two months.

It doesn't appear the religious rulers/priests were too "holy", so hard to see them as the "holy people".

Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 33 "Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 "Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: [some] of them you will kill and crucify, and [some] of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 "that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 "Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 " O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under [her] wings, but you were not willing! 38 "See! Your house is left to you desolate;

[shunyadragon]

Hi Forum,
Almost all scholars agree that it is Jesus as the manchild taken up in revelation chapt 12. The woman could represent symbolically Jacob/Israel or even Judah, since Jesus came from the House of Judah and the one condemned in the OT and NT and called a HARLOT.
If that is the case, then this must also be the first half of Daniel's 70th week fulfilled(3 and half yrs of Christ preaching the GOOD NEWS). That leaves a period of Tribulations for about 37-42 months(Olivet Discourse), then a period of wraths. (a 5 month period is shown in reve chapt 9, which may be the actual wraths on Jerusaelem, not sure).
You need to qualify your statement 'Almost all scholars agree . . . This would only include Christian scholars that believe this. It would not include the Jewish Hebrew scholars and secular scholars.

[InChristAlways]

Answer:In our study of the different translations we will compare the Hebrew text with that of the King James Version of the Bible. It contains the grossest errors, which are, in whole or in part, duplicated by other Christian versions of the Bible.

First, the King James Version puts a definite article before "Messiah the Prince" (9:25). The original Hebrew text does not read "the Messiah the Prince," but, having no article, it is to be rendered "a mashiach ["anointed one," "messiah"], a prince," i.e., Cyrus (Isaiah 45:1, 13; Ezra 1:1-2).

The word mashiach is nowhere used in the Jewish Scriptures as a proper name, but as a title of authority of a king or a high priest. Therefore, a correct rendering of the original Hebrew should be: "an anointed one, a prince."

Second, the King James Version disregards the Hebrew punctuation. The punctuation mark 'atnach functions as the main pause within a sentence. The 'atnach is the appropriate equivalent of the semicolon in the modern system of punctuation. It thus has the effect of separating the seven weeks from the sixty-two weeks: ". . . until an anointed one, a prince, shall be seven weeks; then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again . . ." (9:25). Can someone here supply me with the correct word for word translation of Danile without adding words to it and using the words the way they are used in the rest of the OT This is what I come up with and almost appears to be a "spiritual" city that Jesus builds up, but that is why I would like an accurate translation.Daniel 11 is also a very[b] difficult chapter to Translate as it lead up to the final conflict for Daniel's people at the Time of the End[which I feel would also have to be included in the 70 weeks]. Thanks and blessing.

Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand/consider, [That] from the going forth of the Word/command To /return back/turn backto/ and build/build up Jerusalem Until messiah the prince/ruler, [There shall be] seven weeks/7's and sixty-two weeks/7's; The street/broad plaza shall be built/built up returned again, and the gold/diligently/sharp threshing, Even in troublesome/anguishing/straight times.

26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah/an annointed shall be cut off, but not for Himself/shall have nothing; And the people of the prince/ruler who is to come/enter into Shall destroy/corrupt the city and the sanctuary. The end of it [shall be] with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations/astonishments are determined.

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."



http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html (http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html)

All this is rather 'jarring' to read, and does leave a person scratching their heads, wondering what is wrong with this picture. A doctrine of the 'revived Roman empire' was then concocted, and at the time this happens, the clock will start ticking again and that last bit of prophecy will finally be fulfilled. This might explain chapter nine, if you choose to accept such nimble interpretation, but another excuse would have to be cooked up for chapters 10 to 12, for it is self evident that in this source (written in the second century in response to Antiochus IV) the world did not end immediately after Antiochus despoiled Jerusalem and the temple, Michael was not outraged enough to promptly end the world. This 'clock' must have 'stopped ticking' as well, awaiting the awakening and the rise of the 'revived Selucid Greek empire' at which time it will finally be fulfilled. This would, of course, require ending the world twice (once to Revive the Romans and thus salvage chapter 9, and a second go at it to revive the Greeks and salvage chapter 12. Whether or not we can all tolerate suffering through two ends of the world is a good question, but this would be required to salvage the doctrine of 'Biblical inerrancy.' I have found that most interpreters focus on chapter nine, and, it would seem, just ignore chapter 11.

[wfaber]

The author of "False Prophecy" (I don't see his name anywhere) is definitely an expert at creating straw men and then torching them. For example, he is stating that Daniel 11:36-45 is a continuation of the prophecy of Antiochus Epiphanes, then disproving that interpretation, thus proving that Daniel is a false prophecy.

But to say that the church is embarrassed for believing Daniel and has been apologizing for it ever since? I never heard any church apologizing for believing Daniel's prophecies. Somebody help me on this.

It's no wonder he couldn't make sense out of Daniel's seventy weeks. There is no clear fit in the chronology, and I have seen at least fifty different interpretations, most of them identifying the anointed one as Jesus. There are some who see the fulfillment of the seventieth week in Antiochus IV Epiphanes and his desolation of the temple.

I admit to having problems with the Christian interpretations and lean toward the Antiochus Epiphanes view. And I know I am going against the overwhelming majority of Christians on this. Unfortunately, I have found very little in the way of Jewish commentaries detailing this view.

[InChristAlways]

(http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html)It's no wonder he couldn't make sense out of Daniel's seventy weeks. There is no clear fit in the chronology, and I have seen at least fifty different interpretations, most of them identifying the anointed one as Jesus. There are some who see the fulfillment of the seventieth week in Antiochus IV Epiphanes and his desolation of the temple.


I admit to having problems with the Christian interpretations and lean toward the Antiochus Epiphanes view. And I know I am going against the overwhelming majority of Christians on this. Unfortunately, I have found very little in the way of Jewish commentaries detailing this view. Hi wafh. The jews fail to see any Day of the Lord prophecies as being against the rebuilt Solomon's temple though it had to be rebuilt in order for Jesus to come to it [Mal 3].
BTW, who said it had to be a "physical city/temple" that was to be built?I thought Christ came to set up a "spiritual" Kingdom? The 70 weeks has to be in conjunction with Dani 11/12 so where would Antiochus IV Epiphanes fit in with the Time of the End and Michael standing up for Daniel's people??

I am studying on the words used in Daniel 9 and some of the same words are used to describe the New Jerusalem in revelation. I thought this was interesting. Blessings.

Dani 9:, [There shall be] seven weeks/7's and sixty-two weeks/7's; The street/broad plaza shall be built/built up returned again, and the gold/diligently/sharp threshing[#02742], Even in troublesome/anguishing/straight times.

the street 07339 r@chob {rekh-obe'} or r@chowb {rekh-obe'}
from 07337; TWOT - 2143d; n f
AV - street 40, ways 2, places 1; 43
1) broad or open place or plaza 7339 rchob rekh-obe' or rchowb {rekh-obe'}; from 7337 (http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=hebrewlexicon&isindex=7337); a width, i.e. (concretely) avenue or area:--broad place (way), street. See also 1050 (http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=hebrewlexicon&isindex=1050).


and the wall 02742 charuwts {khaw-roots'} or charuts {khaw-roots'}
pass. participle of 02782; TWOT - 752a,b,753a
AV - gold 6, diligent 5, decision 2, threshing instrument 2, sharp 1,
sharp things 1, wall 1; 18
adj 1) sharp-pointed, sharp, diligent n m 2) strict decision, decision



Isaiah 41:15 Lo, I have set thee for a new sharp threshing instrument[#02742], Possessing teeth, thou threshest mountains, And beatest small, and hills as chaff thou makest.


Joel 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD near in the valley of decision[#02742].
Reve 11:[i]8 And their dead bodies [will lie] in thestreet[#4113] of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

the street 4113 plateia {plat-i'-ah} from 4116;; n f 1) a broad way, a street 4113 plateia plat-i'-ah feminine of 4116; a wide "plat" or "place", i.e. open square:--street.

Revelation 21:21 The twelve gates [were] twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street[#4113] of the city [was] pure gold, like transparent glass.
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[Ken1Burton]

Someone should have told Jesus not to quote Daniel, Seeing Daniel was not written yet. WHEN in doubt, get the Jewish Scriptures.

God messed with the time clock:

Jesus was carried by the Spirit to the Wilderness after He was baptized by John. But the Wilderness is not a place as much as it is a TIME. Jesus was carried to the day of the cross, a day made as a House built. And that House has a name.

(JOB 39:6) Whose house I have made the wilderness, and the barren
land his dwellings. (KJV)

(PROVERBS 9:1) Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her
seven pillars: (KJV)

(ISAIAH 30:26) Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light
of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the
light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach
of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. (KJV)

The day of the cross made as 7 days, or 7 pillars, and as all the other 7's in the Book of Revelation. For when Jesus was in the Wilderness, He was given the Revleation to show unto His servants (we stopped being servants in John 15:15 just before Jesus went to the cross) things which must shortly come to pass, or to go back and teach His disciples.

So He is given 42 MONTHS to continue. That is the three and a half year ministry of Jesus before dying on the Cross.

So for the overspreading of Abominations, Jesus paid for past and present sins “With His stripes we are healed.” So He has to take FUTURE sins to get the keys to death and hell, which you get by dying a sinner. Or “While we were yet sinners (still humans) Christ died for us. He shall make it desolate. or the Body of Christ is DEAD at this point.

(DANIEL 9:27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one
week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and
the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he
shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that
determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (KJV)

The CONSUMMATION shall be poured upon the Desolate. or we are all Dead in Christ, Now we are all CONSUMED in Righteousness.

(ISAIAH 10:22) For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the
sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed
shall overflow with righteousness. (KJV)

Jesus is the Remnant or we are all in Christ. All righteous before God as Daniel 9:24 shows.

The Midst of the week was noon to sunset, the FOURTH 6-hour time period with the day seen as a week by showing it as three pictures, So in the MIDST Jesus cause the daily Sacrifice to end, for there will not be any sin offering needed the next day, or any day after that.

Jesus is the STREET, so the Street is built again or seen in all three pictures. the day as 7 time periods as Silver, the day as three pictures as Gold, the Street is paved with Gold or seen in the three pictures.

Those who came out of Great tribulation were the ones who came out of hell when Jesus left and took them all home, and hell ceased to exist on the third day.

(ZECHARIAH 9:11) As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I
have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. (KJV)

(ISAIAH 26:19) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body
shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy
dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. (KJV)

The Rest of the dead lived not again till the thousand years was over, that was over on the Second day. and the day was made as a week, so all is happening on one day.

(HOSEA 6:2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he
will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (KJV)

The third day was Sunrise to noon, With His stripes we are healed, or Spiritually alive, as Resurrected, and the third physical day, a Future similitude for what has already been fulfilled with be seen as Jesus is seen alive.

Ken

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The churches today of course mangle Daniel's prophecy and most all prophecies to show it is still all "future" or at least some of it(diehard "dispensationalists mostly), which I believe is untrue, as revelation indeed shows half of Daniel's 70 weeks fulfilled upon the birth and ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ. This leaves 42 months of tribulation/wraths in revelation, so sorry folks, no pretrib rapture for you. God bless.


actually 69 weeks of daniels 70 week prophecy ended the day died.. then we have the chruch age and then when the rapture takes place the 7 years of the great tribulation.. which some call armagheddon.........will begin i think with study most will come to realize that what i have said can be backed by scripture
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