Ressurection devaluation

[Cogito ergo...]

Does anyone else feel that the ressurection of christ and his living in eternal happiness with his father devalues and mocks the 'sacrifice' he made for our sins?
Im sure most normal people would be willing to die on a hillside if they knew that they would be born again, and then spend eternity in happiness and contentment.

[Undomiel]

Does anyone else feel that the ressurection of christ and his living in eternal happiness with his father devalues and mocks the 'sacrifice' he made for our sins?
Im sure most normal people would be willing to die on a hillside if they knew that they would be born again, and then spend eternity in happiness and contentment.

Thing was, he had already been there (!), left there to come here (!) for the express purpose of making it possible for us to be there as well. It was the coming here and experiencing physical death, pain, and all the trappings of being human, that he didn't have to do but did anyway. That's not cheap for certain.

[Solly]

Does anyone else feel that the ressurection of christ and his living in eternal happiness with his father devalues and mocks the 'sacrifice' he made for our sins?
Im sure most normal people would be willing to die on a hillside if they knew that they would be born again, and then spend eternity in happiness and contentment.

Why do you think this should be so? What do you see his sacrifce as being for? Martyrdom or Atonement?

Besides, most Christian martyrs have been willing to die on a hill to be with the Father...

[shunyadragon]

Thing was, he had already been there (!), left there to come here (!) for the express purpose of making it possible for us to be there as well. It was the coming here and experiencing physical death, pain, and all the trappings of being human, that he didn't have to do but did anyway. That's not cheap for certain.Most Christians view this sacrafice as necessary in that it is somehow the only justification for the messiahship of Jesus Christ. Nothing should be necessary. The suffering was brief and a speck in the millenia of existence.

The Neolithic concept of a human sacrafice for any purpose does not make sense.

[kofh2u]

The Father is a God who can save us. He saves us from the forces in nature and society that confront us. He saves us from self-destruction and destruction by the people around us. He even saves us from the finality of death in that we will be resurrected, if... if we worship him with behaviors proscribed by his commandments.

Christ was not unique in that he was resurrected. We shall all be resurrected. Christ was our example, one to be emulated. We are to do the will of our Father even unto the first death if we wish to avoid the second death. This is the saving message of a God who is defined as the one Almighty God capable of our salvation, our survival, our first instinct.

Rev. 20:14 And DEATH (by virtue of our eternal phylo-genetic memories which are reborn in future generations) and (the concept of) HELL (viewed as a separate place of eternal punishment) were cast into (EXTINCTION), the lake of fire, (these ideas, death and Hell, no longer to be remembered). This is the SECOND DEATH (Extinction).

[PioneerSDA]

Truly Trinitarians devalue Christ's death and resurrection for they say that He was never dead at all never unconsious in His tomb, never seperate from His Father in any way and he was just pretending to die for our sins. But you believe that Christ was created and devalue His resurretion as well because Cogito ergo...

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"Does anyone else feel that the ressurection of christ and his living in eternal happiness with his father devalues and mocks the 'sacrifice' he made for our sins?
Im sure most normal people would be willing to die on a hillside if they knew that they would be born again, and then spend eternity in happiness and contentment.

I don't think you realize what Christ went through for you. He was born in eternity and had always been with the Father sense His birth and they loved eachother very much but when he was dying for our sins he was seperated from God in the first time in his existance. And even though he is resurrected, he will never be the same again. He is carrying the wounds that he suffered for you and me throughout all of eternity.

"And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends." Zechariah 13:6

[PioneerSDA]

Most Christians view this sacrafice as necessary in that it is somehow the only justification for the messiahship of Jesus Christ. Nothing should be necessary. The suffering was brief and a speck in the millenia of existence.

The Neolithic concept of a human sacrafice for any purpose does not make sense.


It wasn't only Christ's human nature that died not just his body. His divine nature (his divine soul) died as well. The immortal Son of God became mortal so he could die like a man. Yes I know many false religions teach that man has an immortal soul even though the Bible is clear that God is the one "who only hath immortality" 1st Timothy 6:16 It wasn't just a human sacrifice. It was the sacrifice of God's only born Son. "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of HIS Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. " Romans 5:10

The Messiah is the one who's origin or beginning is "from of old, from everlasting" Micah 5:2 meaning he was born before creation. How is this possible? Because he is not created he was not born from nothing He was born from the very substance of God and inherited His Divine nature. And Yes God loved you so much He was willing to give up His Divine only born Son for you and me. "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. " 1st John 4:9

My sincere prayer is that one day you may be like Paul who said "...I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me" Galations 2:20