Jesus is Returning Sooner than You Think!!

[MichaelCadry]

I was advised by Thedon and Trout to come here instead of the Shoutbox. I am new here and don't know how this website works. But I have an awful lot to share with those who deserve to know. You all must deserve to know because of your piqued interest in Theology, so I will do my best.

Firstly, the Lord God visited me. I cannot share that with you just yet. It would be more than you could bear. But it almost took my life. Then 10 days later, the first angel visited me and his brightness was not like the sun but more of like brighter than the stars, including even Venus. And the angel said, "Fear God, and give Him glory, for the hour (time) of His judgement is come upon all of the earth, and worship Him Who made the earth and the heavens, and all that is therein." And I could not take my eyes or myself from watching the angel, because I'd never seen one before and thought I would never see one again. Then I heard a voice speak into my thoughts to hurry and call my present girlfriend at that time to ask her to come over, so I could tell her and my family and friends that the angel had visited me and what he had said. And I asked my Mom if I could have everyone over that night, but didn't tell her why. The my best friend's family came over, my girlfriend came over before them, and finally my best friend came over at 3am after he got off of work. Then I told them about the Lord visiting me and the angel visiting me 10 days later. We were all in high spirits and stayed up all night talking about it. I had fasted that day to give some kind of gift to God for visiting me earlier. I didn't know what gift to give Him because I would have to burn an offering or something, but then it came to me that others had fasted before to give Him a gift, so I did that. I learned that when I went to church when I was younger.

The second angel visited me exactly one week later and spoke loudly, "Babylon is fallen" and told me about this woman who was an actress named Betty Hutton. And the Lord told me that He had given and taken away her husbands and riches, and that she would turn to Him and called His name Ishri (husband). And the Lord told me that this was written in the book of Hosea chapter 2, that He would do this before the time of the end.

I'm sorry I'm being so brief here, but I don't know how much I can write in this forum here and also, it is easier for the reader. The third angel visited me exactly another week later and said "Do not follow after the beast and his image, nor receive his mark/power in your right hand or forehead." And the angel explained to me about this Israeli psychic named Uri Geller, and that he was doing simple miracles by using his right hand to rub on and bend silverware and using his mind to concentrate on moving watch hands and compasses, etc. And this man said in his book that he asked his teacher when he was younger if Jesus could do these miracles and move the hands of watches? And the angel explained to me that he was the antichrist and that God was allowing Satan to have someone come in the devil's name doing miracles, like God had allowed Jesus to come and do miracles. It is hard to explain, but I digress again. And the angel explained to me that the Lord said in the Bible do not believe in fortune tellers, psychics, astrologers, witches and wizards, and do not suffer a witch to live, in the Bible. And that this psychic was urging others to be able to acquire his powers by concentrating and believing that they could have them. And the angel said that God would not allow more than 666 other persons to acquire these powers in their right hand or forehead/mind, and that this was the number of this man, like the number of a captain and his army, or a leader and his followers. There is much more I know about this man, but will not include it here.

So much has happened to me that it makes the whole story sound quite credible. But I am growing tired of typing for now. Next time I come on, I will tell you of other things. Also of how the God created man and called his name Adam, and how the "Lord" God 'formed' man and called his name Adam. These were different times and the Lord God created Adam and Eve once, and 'formed' them again from the dust of the earth a number of times. That is why it says in the Bible, "And He called "THEIR" name Adam in the day "THEY" were created." God destroyed races of people in the past because of their wrongdoings. Our Bible is the book of the 'generations' of Adam. This is why we find man's and woman's bones that date back to thousands, perhaps millions, of years before our own Adam and Eve. Our Bible is about mainly our own Adam and Eve 'formed' roughly 5,000 some years ago. "And the field 'before' it was in the earth, and the field before it grew." Don't you know that that means the field before it was never destroyed and that the Lord did not recreate the fields, like when God FIRST created the plant life? Also, in Genesis chapter one it says that the birds came from the waters, and that in the second chapter of Genesis it says that the birds were formed from the dust of the ground?? Read carefully those two chapters. Chapter One refers to the original creation of all, but chapter two refers to the 're-forming' again of the beasts and Adam and Eve. In the first chapter of Genesis, it says the beasts and creatures of the earth were created BEFORE man. In the second chapter of Genesis, it says that the beasts and creatures were "formed" after man, and the Lord God formed them and brought them to the man (Adam) to see what he would call them, seeing the man was lonely.

There is SO much I could tell you all, but I have to get going for now. This is the beginning of the mystery of God being fulfilled. This is the beginning of secrets coming out. The whole world will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord soon. I haven't told you 'heavier' secrets yet because you are not yet able to bear them. LATER. There are things that I don't even include in my book. Just remember we will all see His GREAT WHITE THRONE in the end.
For now, that is all I will share. Thanks for listening.

God's Best to You and In Jesus' Name,
Michael W. Cadry
mcadry1@cox.net

[Trout]

Thanks for posting a thread Michael. And welcome to Tweb.

When you say you were visited by God, do you mean to say that you saw Him in person?

[Tickle Me Goody]

GG tosses rock in pond.

[MichaelCadry]

Thanks for posting a thread Michael. And welcome to Tweb.

When you say you were visited by God, do you mean to say that you saw Him in person?
I don't know if I am answering you by typing on your reply, but we will see.
When the Lord first visited me, He was up near the left far ceiling and His Spirit was there and He left me know it was Him. Now as far as if I've seen the Lord God, it is a yes, but I can't share that with you because you won't believe me. But I tell you, that many shall in the near future, especially those who are pure of heart. The Lord did not show me His face for a bit. I will not go into such great matters of explaining something that is only for some to see. When He wants you to be visited by Him or see Him, it shall happen by His Will in the near future.

I hope I haven't disappointed you hear, but certain things must still remain secret.

God Bless You and Open Your Heart to Unbelievable Truths,

Michael W. Cadry
mcadry1@cox.net

[Trout]

I don't know if I am answering you by typing on your reply, but we will see.
When the Lord first visited me, He was up near the left far ceiling and His Spirit was there and He left me know it was Him. Now as far as if I've seen the Lord God, it is a yes, but I can't share that with you because you won't believe me. But I tell you, that many shall in the near future, especially those who are pure of heart. The Lord did not show me His face for a bit. I will not go into such great matters of explaining something that is only for some to see. When He wants you to be visited by Him or see Him, it shall happen by His Will in the near future.

I hope I haven't disappointed you hear, but certain things must still remain secret.

God Bless You and Open Your Heart to Unbelievable Truths,

Michael W. Cadry
mcadry1@cox.net


It's not a matter of what I'll believe or not believe Michael. The heart of any issue of importance is truth. I may harbor beliefs that might not be true. I've held such wrong beliefs in the past; i.e. Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, all of whom I believed in very sincerely. But I was sincerely wrong.

The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God cannot be "seen", John in his gospel makes this clear:


No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

I'll try to say this as nice as I can, please understand that I don't seek to antagonize . . . but, while I might not doubt that you have had some sort of a vision, I can be very sure that the vision you had was not God.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Troutk13,

When the Lord first visited me, His Presence was up near the far left ceiling of the room, and I heard Him speak to me to guide me three times. His voice was loud and commanding. I knew my Master's voice. Except for Him, I would have died that day because my heart was racing so, that I could see it beating from my chest and I was terrified that morning that it was all happening, because of course, the devil was also there trying to kill me before the Lord directed me.

After that, I did see His face, ten days later. I cannot go into it with you because only the pure in heart see God in the time that is allotted them. Your time will come when you and He is ready, so don't worry. Just remember He sits on a great, white throne. As for me, if I say I've seen Him, you might disagree, but I can't help but tell you the truth. And I will go one step further. The first time I saw Him, He had the strongest, most incredible love unending and awesome in His eyes and I knew He loved me very much. Considering I was a sinner, I was surprised at His love.

I can't tell you more. Later, I will, when you are ready.

Be With God, and Him With You,

MichaelCadry

[yxboom]

did God let you know why He was hanging out in the far left corner of the ceiling? did you not invite him in?

[Trout]

Dear Troutk13,

When the Lord first visited me, His Presence was up near the far left ceiling of the room, and I heard Him speak to me to guide me three times. His voice was loud and commanding. I knew my Master's voice. Except for Him, I would have died that day because my heart was racing so, that I could see it beating from my chest and I was terrified that morning that it was all happening, because of course, the devil was also there trying to kill me before the Lord directed me.

After that, I did see His face, ten days later. I cannot go into it with you because only the pure in heart see God in the time that is allotted them. Your time will come when you and He is ready, so don't worry. Just remember He sits on a great, white throne. As for me, if I say I've seen Him, you might disagree, but I can't help but tell you the truth. And I will go one step further. The first time I saw Him, He had the strongest, most incredible love unending and awesome in His eyes and I knew He loved me very much. Considering I was a sinner, I was surprised at His love.

I can't tell you more. Later, I will, when you are ready.

Be With God, and Him With You,

MichaelCadry


Michael, I don't doubt your sincerity, but the Word of God contradicts what you've told me.

The Bible clearly says that no one will se the face of God and live.

[brahmabull]

I can't tell you more. Later, I will, when you are ready.

Two questions, and please know that they are sincere...

1) Why you? You must have asked. that would have been my first question.

2) "I will, when you are ready" How is it that you can see into the heart to know?

[Hitch]

Red Flag Dept...


Firstly, the Lord God visited me. I cannot share that with you just yet. It would be more than you could bear.

[Thedonhopeless]

I think this is dangerous territory MC that you enter into.

As stated before, the bible is clear no man can see the face of God.

Also, when you say, we are not ready yet, I am afraid to say that this is a common tactic used by cults..spoon feed people little bits at a time, gain their trust, and always giving them more to stick around for. I am not accusing you of this tactic, only that it could be an issue. There are no secrets in the bible, there are things which are not known immediatley accept through study and the holy spirit, but this is for all, not a select few, accept those thigns which God decides to keep to himself, and I do not think He would reveal these secrets to you, honestly. I'm no trying to be rude here, I persoanlly would like to hear more of what you say, but I do have many reservations.

i don't think you should hold anythgn back, because the bible says be prepared to give a defense for what and why you believe, so if you come here and make these statements, please try to answer questions about what you are saying, and not keep things unsaid cause we are not ready, as you claim. Be open to discussion about it.

I am genuinely concerned, because if you have a vision, it is not always of God, and most likely wouldn't be, not a visual vision atleast. You must test all things in light of scripture.

[Terral]

Michael:

Michael >> I can't tell you more. Later, I will, when you are ready.

Thus far you have failed to say anything. The mind is a powerful thing and the ‘deluding influence’ (2Thes. 2:11) is very deceptive indeed. Please try to prove your points using Scripture. Otherwise your hocus pocus ramblings do not mean anything. Christ said that the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ must go to the whole world and then the ‘end will come.’ Matt. 24:14. That gospel is not even preached today, and there is no ‘Temple of God’ (2Thes. 2:4) for the man of sin to set up his ‘abomination of desolation’ (Dan. 11:31, 12:11, Matt. 24:15). Therefore, Christ’s coming and the end of the age (Matt. 24:3-31) is much father down the road than you think . . .


In Christ,

Terral

[MichaelCadry]

I beg to differ, and I'm sorry. It was such a hard question presented to me and I should have known better than to answer it yet.

"No man shall see the face of God, and live".

I did not say I was going to live much longer, and I know I am not.

Didn't Jesus say "He who hath seen Me, hath seen the Father."

Well, I saw the Father also. I gather it was God or Jesus. Since supposedly they both look alike, I cannot say, but I am not a blasphemer.

When I saw Him, He had the greatest love in His eyes towards someone that I have ever seen before magnified myriads of times. It was perhaps a vision, but I know what I saw. And the first time He visited me, I was spoken to only three times within the space of 30 mins. or so. Maybe 5 or 10 mins. When you have such heavy things happen to you, you are in a different time frame a nd your mind is not on what time it is at all, but instead on what you are hearing or seeing. But when He first visited me, I did not see Him, I was only spoken to. It wasn't until 10 days after that, that I saw Him or Jesus. And it did happen.

And why did Jesus say, "Return Me to the glory I had with Thee before the world was." And during all that time that He was with Thee (the Father) beforehand, did He not once 'see' the Father (God)?"

Did Jesus not say, "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall 'see' God."

This is a very tricky question and I should have just withheld from answering it because it is easily misunderstood. I have alot of important things to tell you all to have you all feel ill will against me. Now I'd like to go on, if it's okay.



I was working at a grocery convenience store in Michigan, having just moved there again from Florida. It was about 4 am and I heard the news come on the radio about the brush fires burning in CA. again, which was no news by then. I had just finished mopping the floor and put the mop into the bucket in the back room. I was still holding onto the mop handle when I was carried away in the spirit (had an out-of-body experience) to where I saw the brush fires burning in CA. And an angel spoke loudly that it was because of another psychic named Jean-Pierre Girard, a Frenchman, who was showing the same abilities as Uri Geller had first shown, to the scientists at the CA Stanford Research Institute. And the angel said, And lo, I saw another beast come after the first beast having the same powers as the first beast before him, and he doeth great wonders so that he caused fire to come down from heaven upon the earth in the sight of men. And the angel explained to me that that was the reason God sent down the lightning upon the 3-year drought-ridden dry brush in CA, making fire to come down from heaven because of His displeasure with this French psychic causing the scientists to start believing in Uri Geller's powers. And the angel explained to me that because of this, the first beast's (Uri's) deadly wound was healed. And he explained to me that the wound was initially that others did not believe his powers were real, but were instead done by magic, thanks to the Amazing Randi, a magician. And this man caused all the earth to be deceived by the means of those 'miracles' he could do in the sight of the beast. And the angel explained to me that it was the devil who was actually doing the 'miracles' by means of electromagnetic force /and only because it was allowed by God /because the devil wanted to deceive as many people as he could by his tryst. And Uri's 'wound' was healed because another man came doing the same 'miracles'. "And he (the Frenchman, the false prophet) deceived them on earth by the means of the miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast so that he maketh fire to come down from heaven upon the earth in the sight of men". And this was what was explained to me. Honest. Then another angel said loudly, "Come out of her (Hollywood/L.A) that you do not receive of her plagues, which shall come in one day, death, famine and mourning." And then I saw another angel cast as it were a great millstone into the earth and it was explained to me that "Babylon" (Hollywood in spirit) would have a great earthquake indeed and that after that I saw a great flood come over her.

And the angel further explained to me something written in Revelation 17:18, that Hollywood was that great city which was spiritually depicted as the 'great whore' in Revelation, and that by the means of the movies, TV shows, magazines, etc. this woman/city had corrupted all the rest of the world by depicting ways of adultery, murder, rape, theft, gluttony, etc. to say the least, through her media, and that all the world was misled by her, and that some people of unsound mind would go and try to do the things they learned and saw in the movies and books, etc. And that God would destroy her and she shall never rise again. And He shall destroy her by brush fires and a GREAT earthquake and a great flood from the ocean. And none shall be able to help her or be able to get in to help her, because the roads would collapse and yes, some of the mountains also.

Thus, it is enough for me to say this. When I came back into my body, I was pale, faint, weak, and low-crawled to a nearby milkcrate to sit down. I was still pale when my boss came in three hours later to take over my shift (I was working midnite shift). And I was shocked and torn by the great vision, but I kept my sanity. Then the Lord spoke to me and said to go to New York City. And I couldn't understand it, because I'd had the vision about Hollywood, not NYC. But after reassuring me again to go, I made plans to go to NYC. And I spoke with a Daily News reporter there. And I sent first to him a letter, and he sent back to me a short note saying he did not see any story in the material I sent him. Back then I did not know so much yet as I do now, but I was still upset that he did that. I was working at ABC-TV at the time, and the Lord told me to send the reporter a letter saying He would send 7 inches of snow upon the Daily News Building within 48 hours of this reporter receiving my letter, so he would know he could believe me and that the things were of the Lord.

So I sent the letter on ABC-TV stationery and have copies of it in my possession even now. And I have copies of the New York Post's article about the seven inches of snow falling there. And as I was riding the Staten Island Ferry to work to ABC that morning the flurries began to fall, and I was first upset cause I was tired of it snowing, but then an angel spoke softly in my ear saying this was the snow the the Lord had promised. After work, when I got home, my present girlfriend shouted some reporter has been calling all day and he left a number to call him back. Just as I went to the phone to call him back, it rang, and it was him, and he was terrified and wanted to know what I wanted and I said a 3-hour interview.

I got the 3-hour interview a day or two later, and I was shaking/trembling during the entire interview because I was just a young man from the midwest and I was having an interview with a NYC reporter. I was scared of course. He argued that I must be a false prophet who could do miracles, and that he would not help me publicize what had happened to me. But that was his loss.
Still I have the letter I wrote him and the report of the snow in print. And still I was alone, like so many others who had spoken in the Lord's name the news of the Lord, saying "I will do nothing upon the earth unless first I send a man to declare it." Basically. And so, I keep trying. Much more has happened to me besides this by far. And this happened quite a while ago. And I have learned very much since.

For now, let me close this thread. I want you to know that the Lord/God, is the embodiment of pure LOVE. He is not out to hurt us, but to instead love us. And we should not be wracked by guilt because all things can be forgiven of a man/woman except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Jesus told us this. Thus, I end this post on this thread for now, and will look forward to when I can hear your responses and respond again. Thanks. In His Name, MUCH LOVE come Your way.

Michael W. Cadry

[Hitch]

Well ya gotta admit,,, it fits in as well as any other pretrib notions.

[MichaelCadry]

Hi All,

Until I'm done speaking my testimony of what I have witnessed from Him to all of you here, please don't judge me. You are more than welcome to disagree of course. I'm doing the best I can as a simple man can do. I forgot to mention that it was explained to me that the beast which carried the woman had ten horns or whatever. These represent ten kings or so which are not human at all, but 'spiritual' 'kings' and represent 'greed, lust, theft, gluttony, etc.' And the eighth horn that sprouted up a little was this thing that Uri Geller and Jean-Pierre Girard have to offer. Which is having power to do certain things like bending silverware, fixing watches and appliances, mind power, psychic power, etc. God said in the Bible do not consort with psychics, or fortunetellers, or astrologers, or witches/wizards, etc. So we can know that this is just the same devil coming in a different type of package, like he did with ghosts and poltergeists, etc. to scare people away from God. This time, Uri says that we can all have these powers in our right hands and foreheads/minds, but yippee. It's the devil, none-the-same. And Uri says he gets his powers from UFO's, etc. in his book. Well now we see UFO's flying at night. I saw one myself that moved at the speed of light. I thought angels were in it flying it. But why would God, the Lord, or angels need a ufo when they can appear in human-like form or spiritual form to us. Makes you wonder. This is only happening that we are seeing 'flying space craft' to cause us to believe in other 'gods' besides God, and that we are 'descended from the extraterrestrial life or aliens. God told us we're descended from our own present Adam and Eve, not aliens. This is only because Jesus is coming to the earth soon. The same thing happened when he last came to the earth as a child born to Mary. And the Greeks and the Romans saw 'flying chariots' (their mode of transportation then was chariots), and they started believing in other gods like Zeus, etc. But the people who do know their God will be loyal and do exploits. Uri says in one of his books that "God is a composite of Nine forces in the heavens and that the angels are computerized servants." And an angel spoke to me about this saying, "He shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and about His Tabernacle."

Please don't be upset with me or dislike me. I am an olive branch trying desperately to drip precious oil (words of comfort and knowledge) to those who want the oil, and I am just a witness with the testimony that the Lord God gave me to give to others. I did hardly choose this much of a fate. I do remember that I was working and wished I could help people more than just by saving their lives, like doctors do. I got my wish, hopefully, I'm saving souls. But I was going to be a doctor and took some pre-med classes. But I loved people so much, that I wanted to do more. Little did I know what I was getting myself into. This has been harder than taking 50 years of college to be a doctor or so. I'm tired and ready to go home to be with Him. I'm sure there are many who feel the same way I do, and my heart goes out to the downtrodden, depressed, lonely, bruised and hurt persons out in the world. I grieve so much for them and hope that soon, their suffering will have recompense to them and they shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever. And that their suffering was like lifting weights to be a stronger long-suffering type of spirit, as He is Himself. We are all getting stronger by lifting these of life's burdens or weights. Appreciate them, for they will secure your place in heaven, perhaps, so you don't fall from there, like some angels of the devil have.

I rest my case for now and will speak again tomorrow. Thanks tons for listening to an old man.

In His Holy Name and Being, I Am Humbly Trying to Help,

Michael W. Cadry

[Tickle Me Goody]

I rest my case for now and will speak again tomorrow. Thanks tons for listening to an old man.


Born in 1955?! ==> You are just a child.

Did God or an Angel tell you that you should post all this on Tweb?

GG

[Trout]

I beg to differ, and I'm sorry. It was such a hard question presented to me and I should have known better than to answer it yet.

It wasn't a hard question. The Bible clearly states that no one has seen God. If you had a vision, which you claim to have had, I know that it wasn't God that you saw, because He tells us in His Word otherwise.


Michael:
"No man shall see the face of God, and live".

I did not say I was going to live much longer, and I know I am not.

Michael, the point is, you are still among the living, if you have seen God, you have proven that Jesus is a liar.


Michael:
Didn't Jesus say "He who hath seen Me, hath seen the Father."

Yes, He did, but it was in response to a request from His disciple:

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

Jesus wasn't claiming to be the Father.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.


Michael:
Well, I saw the Father also.

No, you haven't seen the Father, the Bible declares otherwise.


Michael:
I gather it was God or Jesus. Since supposedly they both look alike,

No, they don't look alike. God is Spirit, He does not have a body of flesh and bones. Jesus, the second person of the Trinity does have a physical body, His Father does not.


Michael:
I cannot say, but I am not a blasphemer.



Michael,

You have deceived yourself, you are on very dangerous ground, I pray that God will speak to your heart and change you from the inside out. Be very careful that you don't create God in your image, God is who He is, and we need to conform our thinking to what He has told us in the Bible.

May God Bless you.

Trout

[MichaelCadry]

The Lord.

PLEASE don't be judgemental. Jesus said Judge no man lest ye be judged. So quit it!!!!!!! Get your act together. Do you want God to condemn you?? Don't JUDGE ME!! I'm honest and truthful, whether it fits your design of honest or not.

Michael W Cadry

[Hitch]

John 7:24
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
(KJV)

Clearly, as priests of God we are required to judge righteously.

[MichaelCadry]

Thanks alot Trout. I just chatted with you tonite. Maybe you got to see the person I really am. I am very distraught by your JUDGEMENT of me. I wish I could JUDGE you, but the Lord said not to Judge anyone. You may not understand yet, but what I've said was true. You just keep taking it out of context.

For example. 'you shall not see the face of the Lord and live.' Well I guess I won't live much longer, which is already what the Lord has revealed to me, so that fulfills that admonition.

Listen closely now, I didn't come onto this website to deal with people like you who don't believe. I have only so many days on this earth and I will spend my life giving the messages and testimony (like in a courtroom) that God has given me. I'm not gonna cut off everyone on tweb just because of your comments. But I can go elsewhere and be welcomed instead of not. I'm trying to help others, not hurt them. People will need the information I have and have not yet given them to help their loved ones around them make it through the hard times to come. It is VITAL. They have to know they can go to heaven despite their sins and shortcomings. Jesus said, "Everything can be forgiven of a woman/man except blasphemy of the Holy Ghost." People need to know. Do you know how many people ache because they think they are not worthy to go to heaven because of simple sins??????? They need to hear my story and what I have to say to help them trust in Jesus to save their souls.

Leave me alone Trout. I will do better off without you. I have a mission to fulfill and need no unpleasant help.

Michael W. Cadry

[MichaelCadry]

Jesus specifically said, "Judge no man, lest ye be judged." I would rather believe in Jesus' words instead of a disciple's. I'm just that way. No, I do not believe everything in the New Testament that the disciples of Jesus said over what Jesus actually said. They are only human.

If you don't want to believe me then fine. I will go elsewhere. I rrust God's Son over his twelve chosen young men's words.

Michael W. Cadry

[Hitch]

John 7:21-24
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
(KJV)

Your direct connection to the Spirit is in serious doubt Mike, as this most recent error demonstrates. It mportant to grasp what is written before heading out into the mystic, (thanx Van).

[Thedonhopeless]

MichaelC, noone is judging you as a person. You must remember, that this is a forum of discussion! A place to exchange ideas, and opinions. You can't expect to come here, post your views, then have them accepted by everyone. You must be prepared to defend you views. To say, you should go elsewhere because noone here will accept what you are saying, is avoiding all discussion about your views and situation you have been through.

If you are just looking for acceptance of your views, then truly this isn't the best place for you. But I urge you to stick around, and try to look at all the opposing sides, and think critically about the reservations people bring up. We are all brothers in Christ, and we all have room to error, so having other perspectives is vital, to avoid any heresy, or to be put back on the right path if one finds themself going down the wrong ones.

[Trout]

The Lord.

PLEASE don't be judgemental. Jesus said Judge no man lest ye be judged. So quit it!!!!!!! Get your act together. Do you want God to condemn you?? Don't JUDGE ME!! I'm honest and truthful, whether it fits your design of honest or not.

Michael W Cadry

Michael,

I have used the Bible to determine whether or not you have had a vision of God the Father. According to scripture, you have not.


Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

It's a command given to Christians that we test all things.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

God has specifically commanded us to judge Michael. As Hitch has said, we need to judge rightly, not according to appearances.

You seem very sincere in your speech, but about your vision you are sincerely wrong, the Bible makes that clear Michael.


Michael:
Listen closely now, I didn't come onto this website to deal with people like you who don't believe.

You passed judgement on me in that statement Michael.

[The Curtmudgeon]

...And the angel explained to me about this Israeli psychic named Uri Geller, and that he was doing simple miracles by using his right hand to rub on and bend silverware and using his mind to concentrate on moving watch hands and compasses, etc.

Michael, you need to understand that any "angel" that spoke of Uri Geller performing miracles is not an angel from God. Uri Geller performs simple sleight-of-hand tricks that any stage magician can duplicate without any assistance from Satan. For that matter, any person once clued into the trick can duplicate it.

The "angel" lied to you, Michael. There's only one "angel" (not counting his flunkies) that lies, that one called by Jesus "the Father of Lies". Satan.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The (talk about your basic red flags) Curtmudgeon

[MichaelCadry]

Today, my post will be kind of short. I'd lke to address going to heaven. It was made known to me that when you're alive on earth, you have a soul and a spirit inside your earthly body. But when you diie AND go to Heaven, you are given a heavenly body to live in. Please see Daniel, chapter 12. It is written that 'And there shall be a time of trouble such as there never was to a nation even to that same time. And at that time, we shall be delivered, everyone who is found written in the Book....and those who turn Many to Righteousness, shall shine like the brightness of heaven (be like a star) and shall be AS THE STARS forever and ever.' Now the ball of energy inside our earthly souls, which is our being or spirit, leaves our earthly body and goes to live on a heavenly body. And we can travel at the speed of light, because we our made of His energy and light. But we reside with others like ourselves who have MADE it to Heaven on a star. This is why Jesus said, "In My Father's house are many mansions. If it were not so, I would not tell you this. And I go to prepare a place for you." Now I was told that Jesus was given the planet Venus. And He says in the Scriptures, "I am the bright and morning star. For those who overcome, I will give them the bright and morning star, even as I received it of my Father.' Now that's not an exact quote, but is a combination of two verses found in Revelation. Chapter 1 or 2, I believe.

So even though we have an earthly body now, we will be given a heavenly body when we make it to Heaven, even as the angels have. This is why it is written in the Scriptures, 'and the stars are the Warehouses of angels.'

This is enough for today. I am feeling unwelcome here and do not have the same vigor to share my testimony with others here. But I will try to share it all over the next few days, I hope.

God Bless You and Yours Tons,

Much Love,

Michael W. Cadry

P.S. If you want to get a FREE, downloadable copy of my book, which I wrote in 1999, which includes about 1/2 of my experiences, go to my website at www.jesusreturns.faithweb.com (http://www.jesusreturns.faithweb.com)

Thanks all!!

[MichaelCadry]

Curtmudgeon,

Don't blaspheme against the angels that have helped give me my testimony. You are in great error. I happen to know the difference between bad angels and good, and know that it was a good angel of God who told me about Uri Geller. No, he is not doing his miracles by sleight-of-hand. How about you coming up with some FACTS to PROVE that he is. Also some PROOF TRULY about the angel who spoke to me about it. I will not have you bad-mouthing the Lord's angels, and you are speaking wrongly about things you do not know of.

The Lord Be With You and Guide You Clearly,

Michael Cadry

[yxboom]

The Lord.
we are commonly confused for one another.
PLEASE don't be judgemental.
ok
Jesus said Judge no man lest ye be judged.
ok.

now let us see how many judgments by you follow.
So quit it!!!!!!!
judgment #1
Get your act together.
judgment #2
Do you want God to condemn you??
judgment #3
Don't JUDGE ME!!
judgment #4
I'm honest and truthful, whether it fits your design of honest or not.
Then stop kidding yourself.

[Thedonhopeless]

Curtmudgeon,

Don't blaspheme against the angels that have helped give me my testimony. You are in great error. I happen to know the difference between bad angels and good, and know that it was a good angel of God who told me about Uri Geller. No, he is not doing his miracles by sleight-of-hand. How about you coming up with some FACTS to PROVE that he is. Also some PROOF TRULY about the angel who spoke to me about it. I will not have you bad-mouthing the Lord's angels, and you are speaking wrongly about things you do not know of.

The Lord Be With You and Guide You Clearly,

Michael Cadry
MC, I am an amateur magician, i can easily do the tricks geller does, and more probably, which look way better and more astounding.

Miracles and the such were used because it was a specific time in a specific setting, these days people do not need miracles to believe, we have reading comprehension and we have facts to go by. back then they had neither, and there had to be such things to start the church.

I am not denyign miracles occur today, but not in the way you say. There are not signs and wonders from people. There are no apostles liek that of the NT today, and it seems you are saying you are one and geller is one, this is not so. That is not how it works to today.

[Solly]

MC: Angels spoke to me, prove they didn't.

Tall order. Prove they did.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Solly,

I don't have to prove that angels spoke with me. The Lord God will do that soon enough by what happens to me on earth.

Dear Thedon,

I know you can do many of Uri's powers with magic, but right now he is finding diamonds for the Arabs by telling them where to dig. That's been his livelihood for years now and he's a millionaire over and over. I'm just telling you that he's not doing it by magic.

Now did you all look in the Scriptures at Daniel chapter 12 and see where is says those that be wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament (Heaven) and those that turn many to righteousness SHALL BE as the STARS forever and ever. It is important for you to understand the different 'dimension' where we will be when and if we go to heaven. We can 'move' at the speed of light, and help others on earth by speaking to them in their thoughts, just as the angels and servants of God do now, to guide other people to the Lord and to Heaven. Those who listen to the right thioughts in their head do well.

Just wondering what you thought of Daniel chapter 12??

In His Name,

MichaelC

[Amazing Rando]

:offtopic: Jesus is coming! :stunned:



Look busy! :eek:

[MichaelCadry]

Now I have told you how we will be given a heavenly body (star, planet) to live on after we leave this earthly body and go to heaven. This is why it is written in Daniel, chapter 12, that "Those who be wise shall SHINE as the brightness of the firmament (Heaven) and those who turn many to righteousness SHALL BE as the STARS forever and ever."

Now I will reveal a very deep secret to you. Our Lord God's Heavenly Body is our moon in which He travels around us every 24 hours, and He is always facing us and the dark side is always away on the other side. I saw Him smile at me with the greatest love in His eyes. His Spirit resides in our moon. That is why it says that He sits on His GREAT WHITE THRONE in Heaven (See Revelation 20:11). What did you expect to see, a great white chair??? See also Revelation 11:19 and 6:16.

I am not a lunatic. The Lord has revealed Himself to some in the past and they were called lunatics, because they lost their sanity from what they saw. That is why only the pure in heart shall see God, but I tell you that we shall all see Him during Armaggedon. And He will have an angry face then and will judge every man/woman according to their works and faith.

So, we will all be given a heavenly body when we enter Heaven, and will reside with the Lord God forever. And the 24 elders reside in other moons on different planets. This galaxy is called the "Milky Way" because this is where God raises children unto Himself, and His Spirit fills them, and He continues to expand His Spirit and knowledge and love within His Children, and is constantly therefore, pro-creating Himself.

I'm sure many of you will condemn me for having written this post, but it doesn't change the fact that it's true and that you will discover it's validity in the future. The Lord God's face is in the moon and He has two eyes, a nose, and a mouth. Look up. Maybe He will reveal Himself to you on a full moon night.

See Daniel, chapter 12, for yourselves, and see Revelation 4:2, and 12:7. I am just trying to share truths with you few here. so you will fare better during the times to soon come. Look up these Scriptural references before you post negative comments about me. I'm only trying to share my testimony with you for your own growth and strengthening.

And this is my post for today. I may post again later today. I am a very busy person and have not been able to post most all of the week. I do this for you, even though I am busy, but I continue to receive negative posts from you and all I'm trying to do is help you. I do this for you few so that you might be knowledgeable and able to strengthen those loved ones and people around you during Armaggedon. That is the purpose I do it for. And here is this. It is written that God shall break the Assyrian in His land (Israel) and 'this is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth, that I shall break the Assyrian in my land, and they shall know that Israel shall remain.'

OK. am gonna get going and prepare for the onslaught of negative comments. O, Jerusalem, how often I would have gathered you up like a hen and her chicks, but you would not have it. O, Jerusalem, which stoneth the prophets that I send to you, even My own Son.

That is what you're unknowingly doing to another witness who comes to prophecy. You are doing that to me, just like your fathers did before you.

I must go for now. Do your worst.

Much Love and In Jesus' Name,

Michael Cadry

[MichaelCadry]

YOU SHALL FIND OUT I'VE BEEN SPEAKING THE TRUTH ALL OF THIS TIME!! Why must you turn away those He's sent to you all of the time?? God does what He will, whether you believe or not? Doesn't He always?? You always rebuke the prophets and witnesses He sends to you. It won't work this time. It shall all happen as He's spoken and shall not deviate from such, whether you want to call me "Satan" or not. I am not Satan, or his house would be divided. I speak in the name of the One True God that seeks to share with you.

God Be With You ALL as You Read This,

Michael W. Cadry

[MichaelCadry]

Do NOT think I am of Satan or the devil. It is furthest from the truth. It is the devil which speaks ill in your thoughts about me. He has everything to gain from keeping you not believing in the witness I have shared with you.


MichaelCadry

A house divided shall not stand. Beware of his subtle thoughts and words.

[MichaelCadry]

What I've heard from the Lord and from the angels is what I testify of. It is not my own interpretation of things, and the Lord will prove my testimony in the very near future. You have no idea how soon the Lord Jesus will return, but then again, I can't say when, because no man knows the day or hour. But I can discern by what's happened to me that it's soon. The Lord God has fullfilled most everything in Revelation and Daniel that He said He would do. You all just don't realize it. But Jesus SHALL come as a theif in the night, so I guess we all remain in the dark just a bit anyway.

So much more has happened to me that I would love to share with you. I know I'm not very welcome here, but none were welcome by people before me. It is the same old story, even in these modern days, that people just won't believe a man who has heard things of the Lord and of angels. So why change now.

I will leave it up to all of you. If you want me to share more of my testimony, I shall. But, I have already shared a goodly amount to get you through the rough times to come. Remember, during that time, help your fellow neighbors and tell them the things I told you now. They will need to hear reassurance then. Don't seek to save your own lives or you shall lose your eternal life. Instead, try to help others and console them and teach them what you now know. The Lord shall prove me. I am not worried that you shall not believe me after He proves me. So first I give my testimony, and then the Lord shall prove it when the time comes.

Thanks for being a willing audience, thanks so much. I hope that each and everyone here is better off from hearing what I've had to say to you. God Be With You and Your Loved Ones, now and later.

In Christ's Holy Name,

Michael W. Cadry
mcadry1@cox.net

[MichaelCadry]

There is one more thing that I MUST share with you. I was told by an angel that Phoenix is that Valley of Meggido, and that it is spiritually like Sodom and Egypt (Please see Revelation, chapter 11), and that it has the same climate, weather, palm trees and desert plant life, etc. Like Sodom in the fact that they are haughty, and oppress the people here. And I was told that the city, Phoenix, is named after an Egyptian mythological bird called a phoenix who rises from the ashes every 500 years. And I was told that here, there will be an earthquake greater than any on the earth since man has been on earth. This is what I was told, so I share my testimony, and tell you.

Do you all think I sit here and make up all of this stuff to tell you out of sheer boredom?? Please believe me when I say that I am a witness and an olive branch sharing what I've heard from the Lord, and I prophecy that which was told to me not by the devil, but of and by the Lord truly.

Please follow your hearts in the times to come and don't let them grow cold. Love each other as best as you can and help each other during Armaggedon. There shall be many earthquakes and devastation on the earth then, when it culminates. But I tell you this, that the tribulation has been upon us for years now. It says in Daniel, chapter 12, 'and there shall be a time of trouble to a nation worse than any since.

I don't quote it exactly, but you look it up in the Bible. Everything in the Bible is fact. It isn't just controversial. It's just that it has one meaning only and people interpret each verse and chapter to mean something else and confuse everybody. The Bible does not contradict itself. Soon the whole world shall be bathed in the knowledge of the Lord, ...the real Truth.

I'll close for now. Am just trying to help.

MichaelCadry

[Hitch]

Perhaps that Martyr
complex could be be bottled.

[MichaelCadry]

C'mon Hitch, I don't have a martyr complex and you must know it. Why is everyone always so negative when they hear the real truth, and yet when the devil deceives people like Jim Jones and David Koresh, etc., the people believe in their absolute lies and die.

I am not asking anyone to believe I am Jesus, or any unreasonable thing. Jesus told us, many False Christs will come before Armaggedon. So beware of them. I am not saying I'm Christ or that He's here or there. I am only agreeing with the Bible and scriptures that, as the disciples saw Him leave, so shall we see Him return, with the clouds of heaven.

Anyway, Hitch, couldn't we instead be friends, instead of the opposite?? I am only speaking what I've been taught by the Lord. Yes, I know the difference between the Lord's voice and Satan's, and their angels likewise. How else would I have lasted this long. I have kept my sanity, thank you, and am not trying to be a martyr.

God Bless and Be With You Hitch,

Michael Cadry
mcadry1@cox.net

[Hitch]

I will revel in our differences.

[MichaelCadry]

Well, Hitch, go ahead and revel in our differences. That is okay. Do you think I expect anybody to believe me?? I have many friends, family and others who do believe me, but for the most part, many who don't. They are strangers and don't know me well, so they don't believe.

We are saved not because of works only, but also by faith. And Jesus said, if you come to a home and noone will hear you, shake the dust off your feet there at that house. Surely it will be sore upon them because of it.

It is written in Daniel, "I will shew thee that which is written in the scripture of truth, and there is none that will hold with me in these things, except Michael, your prince." Thus it is fulfilled within your ears today.

Your turn.

God Bless You Tons,

Michael Cadry

[MichaelCadry]

It is the archangel Michael, who intercedes between myself and the Lord, and he guides me. Thus, has the Lord God given His angel to watch over me and teach me what the Lord has said.

God's Best,

MichaelC

[MichaelCadry]

I see that there are a couple others on this thread. Please feel free to speak your mind.
Let your heart guide it also.

Michael C

[MichaelCadry]

Htich, are you 'studybound' or 'normaTive'??

[MichaelCadry]

Chat with you all later. Godspeed.

Michael

[Sparko]

Now I will reveal a very deep secret to you. Our Lord God's Heavenly Body is our moon
If God is the moon, then did the astronauts tickle his belly when they landed on him?


Also does that mean Jesus us the Sun, since he was the Son of God?

[NormATive]

Htich, are you 'studybound' or 'normaTive'??I think Hitch is Hitch. I'm Norm A. Tive and I'm having a blast reading this thread. Hee, hee... it doesn't get much better.

It is so funny watching folks who have a triumphalistic interpretation of scripture dissing someone with a divergent, yet equally triumphalistic view.

Michael, more power to ya, bud!

This is priceless!

NORM

[studyhound]

Htich, are you 'studybound' or 'normaTive'??
I am studyhound, or maybe Sheepdog no one is sure.:teeth:

[One Bad Pig]

I am studyhound, or maybe Sheepdog no one is sure.:teeth:You are both Dee Dee, so the question is moot. :hehe:

[MichaelCadry]

Dear John Sparks,

No, Jesus is not in the Sun. The Sun is the 'lake of fire' that Death and Hell will be cast into after the next ressurrection. That is way off. "The rest of the dead did not Live Again until the 1,000 years were fulfilled." Then the devil shall be loosed again to deceive the earth. (Revelatin 20:5).

God Be With You,

Michael Cadry

[MichaelCadry]

Dear NormATive,

Well, glory be, I finally found one here who is a breath of fresh air. Thank you so much for your post. It gives me the will to go on here. It's hard posting your life's experiences to people who just deride you. Don't any of you realize how hard it's been for me to go through all of these experiences, and constantly having the devil fighting with me because of it, much less the enormity of trying to reach the public with the Good News of Jesus' Return soon?

Thanks again Norm. I'll definitely include you in my prayers. You can't know what your post MEANS to me. God Bless You.

God's Best to You,

Michael Cadry
:eek: :eek:

[technomage]

Dear Mr. Cadry,

First and foremost, I assume that you are speaking the truth of your experiences as honestly and as forthrightly as you are able. I am not calling your word into doubt.

However, the entity that told you that Uri Geller was demonstrating some form of psychic power was lying. Mr. Geller is not only a fraud, he has been caught perpetrating fraud. Please see http://skepdic.com/geller.html as a starting point for more information.

Justin Eiler

[Sparko]

Dear John Sparks,

No, Jesus is not in the Sun. The Sun is the 'lake of fire' that Death and Hell will be cast into after the next ressurrection. That is way off. "The rest of the dead did not Live Again until the 1,000 years were fulfilled." Then the devil shall be loosed again to deceive the earth. (Revelatin 20:5).

God Be With You,

Michael Cadry
Doesn't Genesis say that God created the moon (Gen 1:16 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night) so how can he BE the moon?


Now I will reveal a very deep secret to you. Our Lord God's Heavenly Body is our moon in which He travels around us every 24 hours, and He is always facing us and the dark side is always away on the other side.
Also you are mistaken in your mention of the "dark" side of the moon. Their is no DARK side. There is a near side that always faces the earth and a far side that always faces away, but both sides experience light and dark. You can tell because the side facing us has varying levels of light and dark which we call the phases of the moon. Including full darkness which we call a New moon. When the side facing the earth is in full darkness (new moon) the other side is in full light.

Also, the moon doesn't travel around us in 24 hours. That is the earth rotating.

But then you are probably just trolling and know all that, right? :wink:

[MichaelCadry]

So he created them, and so each has it's purpose. In the near future, you'll understand that the Earth is the bottomless pit. It has a top (everyone thinks they're on top) and center, where Hell is, but no bottom. Just top and a center. Same with all round things.

Blessed is he who is chosen during this ressurrection, upon which the second ressurrection has no power. There are those on earth today who are not going to heaven this time around and have to Live Again in the next life on earth. Their spirits and souls will be in another earthly body, born as a babe and growing up, to learn what they did not learn this time around. And the meek shall inherit the earth.

But many shall go to heaven this time around, and they will have to deal with unbelievable truths, that have been kept hidden until this time. And they shall reign with Jesus with a rod of iron (a strong hand). And in this 7th generation, God shall rest and give over to His Son to reign over the earth.

Jesus said, "And I will make you a pillar in the temple of God and write upon you a new name."

I have told you all enough to get by for now. When the seventh angel sounds, 'the mystery of God shall be finished' as He has declared to the angels and His servants. Let's just not take my word for it now, but see what the future brings and what truths He shows us. Maybe you will believe Him even if you don't believe me now.

The devil shall be given one more chance after 1,000 years from now, to prove that he can win over God. And the sun will melt the elements of our heaven. And the planets.
But for now, this will not happen during this resurrection.

Much Love and the Grace of God Be Given You Who Are Chosen,

Michael Cadry

[MichaelCadry]

So he created them, and so each has it's purpose. In the near future, you'll understand that the Earth is the bottomless pit. It has a top (everyone thinks they're on top) and center, where Hell is, but no bottom. Just top and a center. Same with all round things.

Blessed is he who is chosen during this ressurrection, upon which the second ressurrection has no power. There are those on earth today who are not going to heaven this time around and have to Live Again in the next life on earth. Their spirits and souls will be in another earthly body, born as a babe and growing up, to learn what they did not learn this time around. And the meek shall inherit the earth.

But many shall go to heaven this time around, and they will have to deal with unbelievable truths, that have been kept hidden until this time. And they shall reign with Jesus with a rod of iron (a strong hand). And in this 7th generation, God shall rest and give over to His Son to reign over the earth.

Now, John, I have to disagree. I know the same side of the moon faces us all the time. Now the moon's phases take 29 days to be completed. Please enlighten me to what you are saying. And John, thanks again for being there to support me. You're something else and very wise.


Best of God's Gifts to You,

Michael C


Jesus said, "And I will make you a pillar in the temple of God and write upon you a new name."

I have told you all enough to get by for now. When the seventh angel sounds, 'the mystery of God shall be finished' as He has declared to the angels and His servants. Let's just not take my word for it now, but see what the future brings and what truths He shows us. Maybe you will believe Him even if you don't believe me now.

The devil shall be given one more chance after 1,000 years from now, to prove that he can win over God. And the sun will melt the elements of our heaven. And the planets.
But for now, this will not happen during this resurrection.

Much Love and the Grace of God Be Given You Who Are Chosen,

Michael Cadry[/QUOTE]

[MichaelCadry]

So he created them, and so each has it's purpose. In the near future, you'll understand that the Earth is the bottomless pit. It has a top (everyone thinks they're on top) and center, where Hell is, but no bottom. Just top and a center. Same with all round things.

Blessed is he who is chosen during this ressurrection, upon which the second ressurrection has no power. There are those on earth today who are not going to heaven this time around and have to Live Again in the next life on earth. Their spirits and souls will be in another earthly body, born as a babe and growing up, to learn what they did not learn this time around. And the meek shall inherit the earth.

But many shall go to heaven this time around, and they will have to deal with unbelievable truths, that have been kept hidden until this time. And they shall reign with Jesus with a rod of iron (a strong hand). And in this 7th generation, God shall rest and give over to His Son to reign over the earth.

Jesus said, "And I will make you a pillar in the temple of God and write upon you a new name."

I have told you all enough to get by for now. When the seventh angel sounds, 'the mystery of God shall be finished' as He has declared to the angels and His servants. Let's just not take my word for it now, but see what the future brings and what truths He shows us. Maybe you will believe Him even if you don't believe me now.

The devil shall be given one more chance after 1,000 years from now, to prove that he can win over God. And the sun will melt the elements of our heaven. And the planets.
But for now, this will not happen during this resurrection.

Much Love and the Grace of God Be Given You Who Are Chosen,

Michael Cadry

[Krusader]

Michael, have you ever discussed these angelic visitations you are having with a Christian pastor? The reason I ask is that you must undertand that some demonic beings pose as angels of light. Paul warned us about these "angels of light," and they are very real.

Michael, some of what you posted appears to have Mormon tendencies. Have you ever been involved with that sect? Have you ever been involved with occult rituals?

I would hope that you at least make an effort to share your experiences with a Christian pastor or worker (preferably one from a Calvary Chapel or an Assembly of God). It is in the body of Christ that we find discernment (a gift of the Holy Spirit enabling us to discern truth from error). If you are sure that you are right, you have nothing to lose.

Crusader.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear John,

You are right. I was generalizing too much about the moon and it's facts. Thanks for clearing that up in a more detailed message.

You take good care and keep posting.

God Watch Over You and Yours For Goodness,

MichaelC

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Crusader,

Yes, of course I have discussed it with a number of pastors before. Some just take a wait-and-see attitude. What can you do except let the future bear fruit of proof of it or not? No, I'm not Mormon or practice the occult. But I do want you to truly know that I do know the difference between a good angel and a bad spirit. Also, I want you to rest assured that I have been visited and filled by the Holy Ghost a number of times. It is as a great rushing of exhilaration and knowledge, and knowing so much in one instant and the feeling is great indeed. It comes into my left ear and mind, and fills my body and hearat. That's the best I can describe it to you, so you know what I'm feeling, if it has also happened to you. I hope it has, so you can relate to it. God has been kind to me to send me the Holy Spirit on a number of occasions. I have needed it.

Much Love Come Your Way,

In His Love Also,

MichaelC

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Justin,

Thanks for sharing and for not passing judgement on me. I can't help but take offense that you're calling the truly Lord's angel that visited me (entity) a liar. But I will just chalk it up to human traits. I know you mean well. See Daniel 11:38, "and he (Uri) shall not regard the God of his fathers, but shall instead honor a 'god of force'. I was also told this by the angel, so I'm sure the angel that spoke to me was true and of God. I do understand how there are lying angels and true angels. So I do understand and I am wary. Thanks for posting and caring, honest.

May God Grant Treasures From Heaven to Fall Upon Your Soul,

MichaelC

[technomage]

Dear Justin,

Thanks for sharing and for not passing judgement on me. I can't help but take offense that you're calling the truly Lord's angel that visited me (entity) a liar.
I would a hundred times rather you take offense at my statements than risk falling prey to deception.

Your own scriptures command you to test the spirits (1 John 4:1-6): at no point in the dialog you have presented here have I seen an account that you have done so. I may have missed it, but if you have not done so, then you have been lax in your duties.

If, however, you have done so, and this spirit has "passed" the test, especially in light of Mr. Geller's proven record of fraud, then the situation causes me grave doubts about your scripture.

Justin

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Justin,

I know it was truly an angel of God who told me about Uri, so little of course, you could do to dissuay me to think it was an evil angel. I can discern the spirit that spoke it to me, and I pray for that from God always.

Now, it also says, "Do not suffer a witch to live." You are familiar with your scriptures and I am familiar with mine. No offense.

May God Change Your Thoughts,

MichaelC
:eek: ]

[technomage]

Dear Justin,

I know it was truly an angel of God who told me about Uri, so little of course, you could do to dissuay me to think it was an evil angel. I can discern the spirit that spoke it to me, and I pray for that from God always.
Have you tested this spirit?

Justin

[Krusader]

Dear Crusader,

Yes, of course I have discussed it with a number of pastors before. Some just take a wait-and-see attitude. What can you do except let the future bear fruit of proof of it or not? No, I'm not Mormon or practice the occult. But I do want you to truly know that I do know the difference between a good angel and a bad spirit. Also, I want you to rest assured that I have been visited and filled by the Holy Ghost a number of times. It is as a great rushing of exhilaration and knowledge, and knowing so much in one instant and the feeling is great indeed. It comes into my left ear and mind, and fills my body and hearat. That's the best I can describe it to you, so you know what I'm feeling, if it has also happened to you. I hope it has, so you can relate to it. God has been kind to me to send me the Holy Spirit on a number of occasions. I have needed it.

Much Love Come Your Way,

In His Love Also,

MichaelC
Michael, I have doubts about the Christian pastors you spoke to. It seems to me that they would have been astounded, for instance, that an angel told you that Uri was in God's will, etc.

The Holy Spirit doesn't come in the left ear specifically, he "come upon" us. The baptism in the Holy Spirit is a wonderful experience, I know, but we have to remember that all Christians have been baptized by one Spirit into the Body of Christ.

You keep saying that you "know" the angel is from God. Joseph Smith also testified that his angel, Moroni, was from God. The Watchtower Society claims that angels directly communicate with the Society regarding doctrine. Many false beliefs have been promulgated by those who thought their "angels" were from God.

If you are being visited by an angel ask it whether or not Jesus came in the flesh; whether Jesus is God in the flesh.

Crusader

You must test the spirit - if it speaks no according to the word, it is a false spirit.

[MichaelCadry]

Yes, Justin, I have tested this spirit thoroughly.

MichaelC

[brahmabull]

What was your test?

[NormATive]

It is fascinating to observe the reaction to this thread. I am definitely bookmarking this one!

How can you all be so sure that what Michael C is telling you ISN'T from your God?

Imagine it's 90CE, and this dude walks into your shul and tells you that he just had a vision of Jesus on the road to Damascus. What he tells you radically changes your understanding of what you experienced these twenty some years after the Temple was destroyed, and nearly a hundred years since Jesus was executed. In fact, it is so radical that it divides your community in two disparate factions. This "witness" to a new revelation becomes the new leader of the Way.

So, why are you all acting like Michael here is from planet Neptune?

For that matter, what makes you so sure that the Mormons are wrong?

Just curious.

NORM

[furay]

How can you all be so sure that what Michael C is telling you ISN'T from your God?
It isn't from the Orthodox Church.

For that matter, what makes you so sure that the Mormons are wrong?
What they preach is not from the Orthodox Church.

Easy enough, no? Take care.

[Krusader]

It isn't from the Orthodox Church.


What they preach is not from the Orthodox Church.

Easy enough, no? Take care.
You're right, and neither is it from the evangelical Church. I wonder if this isn't some hoax. Michael's narratives are so far out - especially when he says that the Holy Spirit enters him through the left ear. Doesn't add up - and if he has mentioned this to pastors, they must have been brain dead not to have reacted.

[Sparko]

Like I mentioned earlier, I smell :troll:

[MichaelCadry]

O, Jersusalem, which stones the prophets...Most of you are very negative. The only one I see here listening to God's Words is Norm. Now, I know what I've spoken is God's Word. I've been experiencing things for 30 years now, and I'm sure I know the difference between the Lord and Satan, for that matter. That is why I say to those naysayers, get thee behind me Satan, because I know that no matter how they're trying to negate what I claim, they are doing it because of evil spirit messing with their thoughts and hearts. If God says the sky is blue, and someone comes along saying, no, it's red, then I would know that was an evil spirit saying the opposite.

It wouldn't matter what prophets or witnesses God would send to you, because you wouldn't hearken to him or her anyways. And Norm, I will see you in heaven, God willing, that He feels it right that we should be there with Him because of our belief, faith, trust, and that we aren't doubting Thomases'.

In God's Graciousness, Forgiveness and Jesus's Strong Love, Let You Brethren Love Like He Has Shown Us To Do,

MichaelCadry

[brahmabull]

Michael,
Many of us are not being negative. There is no negativity in asking a very direct question. The problem arises when you choose to ignore or dance around the questions that have been asked, only to end by saying that there is more which you cannot tell us now. That does not leave a lot of credibility with your statements.

It also seems to us that you are in direct contradiction with much of what is know biblically.

In my opinion you are either just crazy, or you are under the control of a demon. You wouldn't be the only one that I have seen that has been posessed. Especially by a spirit that you believe is good.

Honestly, I believe that YOU believe what you write. There is little doubt in that.

Who knows...
Maybe if you would have picked a better magician like David Blaine your story would haveen more believable.

[Krusader]

O, Jersusalem, which stones the prophets...Most of you are very negative. The only one I see here listening to God's Words is Norm. Now, I know what I've spoken is God's Word. I've been experiencing things for 30 years now, and I'm sure I know the difference between the Lord and Satan, for that matter. That is why I say to those naysayers, get thee behind me Satan, because I know that no matter how they're trying to negate what I claim, they are doing it because of evil spirit messing with their thoughts and hearts. If God says the sky is blue, and someone comes along saying, no, it's red, then I would know that was an evil spirit saying the opposite.

It wouldn't matter what prophets or witnesses God would send to you, because you wouldn't hearken to him or her anyways. And Norm, I will see you in heaven, God willing, that He feels it right that we should be there with Him because of our belief, faith, trust, and that we aren't doubting Thomases'.

In God's Graciousness, Forgiveness and Jesus's Strong Love, Let You Brethren Love Like He Has Shown Us To Do,

MichaelCadry
Michael, what does Hebrews 1 teach us? It says, that in times past God spoke to us by the prophets, but in this day, He has spoken to us by the Son. We, the Church, do not look for new doctrines via angelic visitations, for we have received the faith once for all delivered (see Jude).

For Christians, it is God's Word by which we measure all doctrines. You claim to have angelic visitations which have brought you strange doctrines and beliefs - but are you willing to submit them to the Word of God and the discernment of the Church?

Since Pentecost, the Holy Spirit has been given to believers, and in community, the Body of Christ exercises the gifts of the Holy Spirit - but the whole Body works together (read 1 Cor. 12). No one individual receives new doctrines, for the Spirit moves within the whole Body of Christ to teach and discern.

2 Peter 1, tells us that today we have a more sure word of prophecy which we do well to heed (vs. 19) - and that no prophecy of the scripture is to be of private interpretation (vs. 20).

Unless you are willing to submit the angelic visitations your claim to God's Word and the discernment of the Body of Christ, you stand outside of the admonition of Scripture.

No one is stoning prophets here - but only being obedient to God's Word.

[furay]

The only one I see here listening to God's Words is Norm. :lmbo: Only because he has an axe to grind with true Christianity and thus is playing the Devil's advocate here.

Michael you seem like a nice enough guy, but you need to stop attacking everyone who disagrees with you. YOU are the one who has distanced himself from the True Church. Therefore, YOU are the one in error. Think about that, friend, and take heed.

[Spinyn00bman]

Two possibilities.

One - This is someone having a whole heap of fun watching people respond to his fiction.

Two - He truly believes this. I which case I say wow. I always cringe when people like this come out of the woodwork.

[MichaelCadry]

A Father sent out His servant to invite certain of those to His Son's wedding. Some were too busy and some did not believe nor have time at the moment. So the Father sent His servant out to others less fortunate, so that the wedding chapel could be filled and the dinner table be filled. And it was so.

God has sent a sinner, just like all of you, to call you to a wedding supper. They did what they would to His Son when He was sent. But of course, they might believe if someone more like them came to call. But no, it is still the same story.

OK, let's see if I can answer some questions. I am 49 years old. I grew up in a Nazarene Brethren in Christ church. Just like you, I am a sinner doing my best to overcome those shortcomings I have in my life. But I am also a messenger, so PLEASE don't kill the messenger, my brethren.

I am allowed to test the spirits by the means of whether the Lord God sends rain or not, snow also, and how much, etc., among other things. Please see Revelation, chapter 11. And they had power that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. I also rely heavily on prayer and I am not new to fasting either.

I didn't pick Uri Geller over David Blaine out of the top of my hat. If the Lord would have said David Blaine, that is what I would testify to. But I digress.

I will also tell you of another experience I've had. When Mount St. Helens eruped, it was directed to me by an angel that it was done to fulfill what is written in Revelation 9:1...'And I saw an angel having the key to the bottomles pit, and he opened it and there arose much smoke like a great furnace, and the sun and air were darkened by reason of the smoke.'

Now I've got to close for now so I can further read your messages and try to answer them for you.

Thanks for listening and giving me a chance.

May God's Grace Be Upon Each of You,

Come to the wedding.

Michael Cadry
:blush:

[MichaelCadry]

If none should come before the second coming of Jesus, and His marriage to the earth, then how do you explain away that Revelation chapter 11 tells us not one, but EVEN two shall come with a testimony from the Lord and prophecy for 1,260 days. I know it doesn't say that in the book of Hebrews either. Instead of graciously accepting the wedding invitation, you are all finding ways to re-word the typography of the wedding invitation, and are very unaccepting of the deliverer.

May His Peace, and Enlightenment Be In Your Thoughts, Heart and Souls,

MichaelC

[MichaelCadry]

It is fine to disagree with me, but I am not crazy, but a true person trying to share what I've seen and heard. I don't expect you to believe me anyway. I'm just intent on sharing what I've testified about. You can believe later, when the Lord proves me. I am His loyal, true and faithful servant, and will not deviate from that just because some people disagree or won't believe. I'm sorry if you've felt like I'm attacking you for not believing. I'm not perfect and it hurts to not be believed when you're telling the truth and some don't believe you. I cringe each time it happens, wondering will that soul still make it to the 'wedding table'. I consider everyone my brethren, even those whose religion or ways I don't agree with. Hope that clears things up.

And A Time For Every Purpose Under Heaven,

MichaelC
:eek:

[Sparko]

Did you test the spirits by asking them to confess that Jesus was God who came in the flesh?

1 John 4:1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

[MichaelCadry]

Of course I deeply believe that Jesus is God come in the flesh and is God's Son and our Christ and Saviour. That is a given considering I'm pouring my heart out to you about Him. Certainly the devil would not say that He loves Jesus and God, nor try to help them. I am just like a Christmas present you received, and you opened the box, but it wasn't quite what you expected. But do you return that gift to Him Who sent it, or is it better yet to keep it graciously, and use it for all that it's worth when the time comes that it comes in quite handy.

Please excuse my analogies. I'm doing my best. And I have been visited by the Holy Spirit a number of times. I would say less than ten times though. Please excuse me if I am less than what you expected. I'm sure the Lord God thought it was good and none of you could necessarily have done a better job than me at this. It's been VERY hard and I have had to deal with many spiritual adversaries. But the Lord has seen me through it and I go on with my mssion. When that is done, my life will begin doing other things for the Lord God and Jesus Christ as their undying, extremely loving, servant, for God is My Father, and Jesus is my brother, just like to each of you. I am not saying I am Christ. I am only a humble servant of God and Jesus, and I strive to do my task diligently and with humility.

To Him I Seek Guidance That Will Reach Each of You, For I'd Not That Any of You Were Not Present,

MichaelC

[MichaelCadry]

I'm so sorry if I've been less than pleasant and apologize profusely for that. I can't even IMAGINE that you might know the cup I've had to drink from and how severe it has been. I've had to fight dearly for every vision I've gone through and every out of body experience I've survived. I do suppose none of you will ever know how truly HORRENDOUS it has been at times. I strive daily to keep one step ahead of the devil and am doing fine, thank you. God and Jesus sees me through it and I still have my sanity and can definitely deal aptly with evil spirit. I've been tested tons of times. But each victory over the devil, I become stronger in the Lord, like lifting weights to strengthen my physical body. The earth is where the Lord raises children up to Himself to dwell in His House (Heaven) and helps them lift 'spiritual weights' to strengthen them before they are finally taken to heaven with Him, so they will not fall from heaven after they are taken. Earth is a place of growth and learning the difference between good and evil. Heaven is where you continue to grow as servants of the Lord God and your work is for Him and is a goodly job, greatly rewarding, and for the best Boss EVER. Someone Who is ALL things, kind, caring, understanding, pleasant, loving, forgiving mishaps and so much more. It even says in the Bible that the angels make folly sometimes, so don't lay a heavy guilt trip on your head because of your shortcomings. Just try to overcome your sins the best you can and that will do it, even if at first you don't succeed at some, your sins shall be forgiven you, except blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.

May It Be That The Lord Is Searching For You,

MichaelC

[Sparko]

Mike I don't doubt your faith. I was asking if you TESTED the angels that give you information to see if they will confess that Jesus is God and has come in the flesh. You mentioned only that you tested them in regards to predicting the weather. I am asking if you tested them in regards to confessing Jesus as their Lord and God and that he came in the flesh.

[MichaelCadry]

I must add that I feel that I'm not even worthy to lick the dust off of Jesus' feet. But I keep hoping beyond hope that if I do a well enough work for Him, God will allow me into His House and Light me with His Light, and that Jesus will be my brother in spirit, and that all the angels and servants of God will also be my brethren (Brothers and Sisters).

But even if He were to disallow me into Heaven, I am humbled that He had me do a bit of work for Him to usher in the Second Coming of Christ. I am a voice crying out in the desert. Won't you hear me. I live in the desert...Phoenix, Arizona. It's in my bio I thought. Also, if you want a free copy of my book, which includes much of what has happened in my life, the web site is also in my bio. It is hard to re-tell my entire story each time to a certain amount of people, so it is available in 3 different formats at my web site, for Free.

Again, I bid adieu and my prayers are with each of you who read these words,

MichaelCadry

[MichaelCadry]

Yes John, I do that. I thought I'd made that clear in one of my last posts. I'm sorry if I haven't. But I have to also have the Lord guide me on certain hard things that also require a sign of and amount of rain, snow, etc. from Heaven, for I have to be positive of what I speak of or otherwise I might speak error in God's Name, and I can't do that. Because it would be brought upon my head. For the Lord did say to Isaiah, If I send you out with a message to speak to people, and you don't speak it, their souls will I require of you. But if I send you out, and you speak the message, and they will not hear it or believe it, then I will require it on their head.

Hope all is cleared up now.

MichaelC

[NormATive]

:lmbo: Only because he has an axe to grind with true Christianity and thus is playing the Devil's advocate here.Correction: I have an axe to grind with "traditional" Christianity. I'm not exactly sure what "true" Christianity is. There are, after all, more than 200 very different varieties and flavours.

And I am playing Devil's Advocate, but not in the way that you imply. If you guys weren't so blind, you would see it as plain as day. Although, in order to come to terms with it, you would have to look critically at what you presume.

You most surely would have tossed the apostle Paul aside as a deluded, halucinogenic heretic.

Religion is a living, breathing thing - not some stuffy set of codices and ordinances written in a disparate collection of dusty tomes.

NORM

[furay]

You most surely would have tossed the apostle Paul aside as a deluded, halucinogenic heretic.

Wow, you've got my number! I'm so glad there are people like you, Norm, who can see into the hearts of men. You keep all of us "traditionalists" in line. Good job, keep it up!

[One Bad Pig]

Wow, you've got my number! I'm so glad there are people like you, Norm, who can see into the hearts of men. You keep all of us "traditionalists" in line. Good job, keep it up!
:rock: Stop that! My sarcasm meter just exploded.

[Krusader]

Yes John, I do that. I thought I'd made that clear in one of my last posts. I'm sorry if I haven't. But I have to also have the Lord guide me on certain hard things that also require a sign of and amount of rain, snow, etc. from Heaven, for I have to be positive of what I speak of or otherwise I might speak error in God's Name, and I can't do that. Because it would be brought upon my head. For the Lord did say to Isaiah, If I send you out with a message to speak to people, and you don't speak it, their souls will I require of you. But if I send you out, and you speak the message, and they will not hear it or believe it, then I will require it on their head.

Hope all is cleared up now.

MichaelC

Michael, I have reviewed all your postings and also your website and the information contained there.

You say that you are in your forties and living with your mother. I'd like to know if you are receiving SSI or SSD. Are you currently in treatment for any particular disorder?

I'm not asking this to make you look bad, or to poke fun. However, I work day in and day out with individuals in treatment, and am quite familiar with some of their outstanding characteristics.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear NormATive and friends,

Thank you for your support. I am being as honest as I can be to all of you. I really don't expect you to believe me. It is hard for me to even believe myself. But it all has happened to me, so I just pinch myself and go on.

Again, thanks so much.

God Be With You and Yours,

MichaelC

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Crusader,

No, I do not live with my mother, but I am letting my sister live with me until this coming April. She needed help because she was in between jobs and needed a place to stay. My mother passed away years ago. She was 61.

I do currently receive SSD. I also see a psychiatrist because I receive medicine which helps ease the ever-rantings of the devil trying to destroy me. I hope this will not hold bearing on the truths I've told you. See Revelation, chapter 11..."and the devil shall make war with them..." I am doing my best and have applied at a job last week, which I hope to get. I was a typographer who had to give his entire attention to the computer to get the desired results of each job I did. It became difficult to withstand the devil's negative remarks and still concentrate on my job. I am doing just fine though, right now, and am going back to work.

I suppose by sharing this, I'm unbelievable now, but you did ask. It doesn't change all that's happened to me. Many geniuses had trouble in the past also. I'm just saying, the devil attacks me bad because of what I know.

Please 'judge' me on the essence of what I've posted on this thread and not my shortcomings. I tell you that the Lord shall seek the sick and depressed, and some 'holy' people shall He rebuke, because they are 'holier than thou' attitude. And the lame, and the blind and the sick shall be called to His wedding table.

Thanks for not poking fun at me. I suppose now I have lost everyone's support, but I'm not going to lie. My psychiatrist says I am very intellectual, and of sound mind to make good decisions and judgements, and that I'm very ready to go back to work.

Time will tell if I'm telling the truth or not. The Lord will prove me or not. So you all really must take a 'wait-and-see' direction.

Jesus Loves Even Me,

Michael C

[MichaelCadry]

Anyone of you who has been through what I've been through would also seek help through the trying times. I grew depressed and was in great mourning because of what I knew would happen on earth, and needed antidepressants. There will be many people who shall die unseemly deaths in earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, and great hail (the weight of a talent). It greived me so that I sought help.

I hope you won't pass judgement upon me because of it. Thanks.

MichaelC

[Krusader]

Anyone of you who has been through what I've been through would also seek help through the trying times. I grew depressed and was in great mourning because of what I knew would happen on earth, and needed antidepressants. There will be many people who shall die unseemly deaths in earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, and great hail (the weight of a talent). It greived me so that I sought help.

I hope you won't pass judgement upon me because of it. Thanks.

MichaelC

Michael, why would anyone pass judgment on you for taking antidepressants - gosh, probably 1/2 the people you meet out there in the world are on them. However, have the antidepressants helped you? There are other medications that may be of greater help to you. Have you had a psychological evaluation recently? I'm not saying this to be nosey or nasty to you - but this is in my field of expertise. It might be a good idea to get a full check up, and discuss some of the things you've shared with your primary care physician.

[MichaelCadry]

Well, thank you Crusader. The antidepressants have helped and God has reassured me that unless people die, they can't go to Heaven yet. So I go on understanding that and it eases my grief and sorrow to a point, enough to bear all of the knowledge of these things. Yes, I have had a psychological evaluation recently and am ready to go back to work as of a couple months ago. I rent out rooms in my home, but I still feel the need to go back to work and earn alot of extra money. The bills keep coming, but so far, all is well and am keeping up with them.

Yes, I own a home for 9 years now and have roughly $40,000 equity in it. Home prices here in Phoenix have skyrocketed. Everyone is moving here. And of course, the TV stations and newspapers aren't going to help me get my message out to others when part of the message includes a great earthquake in Phoenix. They'd rather keep it hush hush. People from all of the cold climates and also from earthquake and fire-ravaged California are also moving here. The sun shines 300 days out of the year here. It is desirable, but I'd rather live in Florida. I love the tropical plants and climate. But I was told to come here in Phoenix, by the Lord, so I had to give up moving to Florida instead.

Well, will close for now. Thanks for understanding. I am still shell-shocked. I know many are just waiting to pounce on me for the least thing because they have trouble believing me, but it's okay. My Father will uphold the things I've spoken from Him.

Feed My Sheep, As Jesus Would Say,

MichaelC

[Krusader]

Well, thank you Crusader. The antidepressants have helped and God has reassured me that unless people die, they can't go to Heaven yet. So I go on understanding that and it eases my grief and sorrow to a point, enough to bear all of the knowledge of these things. Yes, I have had a psychological evaluation recently and am ready to go back to work as of a couple months ago. I rent out rooms in my home, but I still feel the need to go back to work and earn alot of extra money. The bills keep coming, but so far, all is well and am keeping up with them.

Yes, I own a home for 9 years now and have roughly $40,000 equity in it. Home prices here in Phoenix have skyrocketed. Everyone is moving here. And of course, the TV stations and newspapers aren't going to help me get my message out to others when part of the message includes a great earthquake in Phoenix. They'd rather keep it hush hush. People from all of the cold climates and also from earthquake and fire-ravaged California are also moving here. The sun shines 300 days out of the year here. It is desirable, but I'd rather live in Florida. I love the tropical plants and climate. But I was told to come here in Phoenix, by the Lord, so I had to give up moving to Florida instead.

Well, will close for now. Thanks for understanding. I am still shell-shocked. I know many are just waiting to pounce on me for the least thing because they have trouble believing me, but it's okay. My Father will uphold the things I've spoken from Him.

Feed My Sheep, As Jesus Would Say,

MichaelC

Michael, you shouldn't be putting a lot of personal information on the Internet, you never know who is looking.

I live in the Southwest also, but I have to tell you, Phoenix is even too hot for me. I'll stick to the boonies, where the deer and the antelope still play.

When you had your psch-eval did you happen to mention to the doctor the various revelations/visitations you are experiencing? Crusader

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Crusader,

I only mentioned to him that I was viisited by angels and the Lord, and gave him a copy of my book, which he hasn't read yet. He is a very busy man, so I'm not surprised. Anyway, he doesn't believe in the devil and I'm not sure what his beliefs are about God. He is a good man though.

MichaelC

[furay]

I would hope that no one here would judge you for being on Medicine, Michael. There is nothing wrong with that at all. You seem to be a very nice man and I hope the best for you. May I suggest you visit with an Orthodox Priest? Its important that we ground ourselves in the truth and God's church. Personally, if an Angel and a Priest were walking alongside each other I would greet the Priest first and kiss his hand, since that hand has touched the Body and Blood of our Lord. I'm sure that a proper Orthodox Presbyter will help you with any questions you have concerning these visitations. May you have good health and peace, Michael. God bless.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Furay,

Thanks very much for your kind reply. I have spoken before to an Orthodox priest (Catholic) and did not get much help. I will not even go into it. Mostly, I get the same initial type of reaction as I did by some of you here. I have to be given a chance to present most of my case before I can even be considered believable, and most priests have not given me that luxury. I am thankful for the friends I have made here and you are all just like precious stones upon the throne of God for welcoming me so. I really do appreciate it, since you've never even had the chance to meet me first. Bravo!!

May You Be Part of a Large Army of God That is Built,

MichaelC

[One Bad Pig]

I have spoken before to an Orthodox priest (Catholic) and did not get much help.
Your ignorance is showing. Orthodox is not synonymous with Catholic.

[NormATive]

Wow, you've got my number! I'm so glad there are people like you, Norm, who can see into the hearts of men. You keep all of us "traditionalists" in line. Good job, keep it up!You laugh. You think you're immune. BTW, I noticed you haven't addressed this point directly.

What if Michael is right?

Isn't it within the realm of possibilty? Or, is G-d limited?

NORM

[furay]

Isn't it within the realm of possibilty? Or, is G-d limited?

God is not limited.

Norm, you should really stop playing around here. This isn't a joke. I'm trying to show Michael some respect and you are obviously leading him on as if you believe him. You do not. Stop playing with people's emotions: its cruel.

[technomage]

What if Michael is right?

Isn't it within the realm of possibilty? Or, is G-d limited?
In this particular case, I would say no, it is not possible. Uri Geller is a proven fraud: for God to be telling Cadry that Geller is "performing miracles with his mind" means that God is lying. This is not possible of any understanding I have of the Gods.

Now, the obvious counter-condition would be for God to lie ... but if this is the case, then what hope does any believer have?

All of this, of course, is based in Theistic beliefs, and I do not know where you stand on that issue. If you're an atheist, of course, you may be laughing up your sleeve at the lot of us ... and though I have strong Theist beliefs, I have to acknowledge the possibility that you are correct. But in light of the current issue, the Theist-Atheist argument can wait.

Justin

[MichaelCadry]

Dear One Bad Pig,

I spoke to a Catholic priest in NYC with dismal results. But that was before I knew as much as I do now, for it was in my earlier years while only certain things had happened to me. I spoke to other un-Cahotlic priests also who had a wait-and-see attitude, which is fine with me, but still not helpful for spreading the message to large groups of people. I am not reaching many being on this chatline either, but at least I am reaching maybe 5 - 10 people, and that's a good thing. I might have to break off soon from this chat room to go and reach others.

Thanks for understanding.

Much Love and God Bless You Tons,

Michael C

[MichaelCadry]

Dear NormATive,

Wow, I thought you really meant that you considered me truthful. Is Furay right or wrong?? What a bummer.

MichaelC

[MichaelCadry]

Dearest Furay,

Thank you for your respect and support. I thought Norm was an ally. I am very simple and I guess, too gullible. But I trust he is sincere, I hope. I must move on soon and share my testimony with others on the Internet. Don't know where the Lord will lead me next, but at least you all here know what is going on and can help others when things get even Very Rough. We have been suffering the tribulation for years now, but it will culminate with extreme tribulation for a short period of time, and then Jesus will return, and life will be grand on earth and in Heaven.

Thanks again!!!!!!!!!

May Jesus Make You A Pillar In His Temple,

MichaelCadry

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Justin (Wiccan),

You have got to be kidding calling God a possible liar. I know what was told to me so in effect, the article you're referring to is in error concerning Uri Geller. I KNOW THIS FOR POSITIVE. So quit with it okay?

Best Regards,

Michael C

[technomage]

Dear Justin (Wiccan),

You have got to be kidding calling God a possible liar.
Begging your pardon, Mr. Cadry--is English your native language? If it is not, then you may have misunderstood me when I said as follows about the possibility of God lying:

This is not possible of any understanding I have of the Gods.
No, I do not believe it is possible for God to lie.

I know what was told to me so in effect, the article you're referring to is in error concerning Uri Geller. I KNOW THIS FOR POSITIVE. So quit with it okay?
No, Mr. Cadry. I now know that you are either deceived, or lying.

Good day to you, sir.

Justin

[Jack777]

I'd give Mike McCurdy the benefit of the doubt myself.

[Gabby]

I'd give Mike McCurdy the benefit of the doubt myself.

To make it sound really sincere, you should learn how to spell his name.

[Krusader]

Dear Justin (Wiccan),

You have got to be kidding calling God a possible liar. I know what was told to me so in effect, the article you're referring to is in error concerning Uri Geller. I KNOW THIS FOR POSITIVE. So quit with it okay?

Best Regards,

Michael C
Michael, Justin wasn't calling God a liar, or stating that it is possible for God to lie. You owe him an apology.

Michael, since you may be leaving this site, I'd just encourage you to continue in treatment and follow your doctor's advice. Also, I'd encourage you to stay within the Christian community, because this is the sound advice given to us by Paul (not to neglect the assembling together of the saints). Some churches administer unction (anointing with oil for healing). I believe the Orthodox Church may do that, for instance. I know that many Episcopal churches do. You may find a special blessing by attending such a service.

Crusader

[Jack777]

gabbailey wrote:

"To make it sound really sincere, you should learn how to spell his name."

I just noticed that right before I got to your post. My apologies. Anyway, I am being sincere.

[MichaelCadry]

Justin, there aren't 'the Gods'. There is only One God.

MichaelC

[MichaelCadry]

Dear All,

Thank you for your poignant replies. I'm sorry Justin, if I misunderstood you. To anyone who spelled my name wrong, it is fine. And Gabby...a special thanks!!

I'm sure the Lord wants you each to be saved, but that is up to you. Believe in Jesus, that He is the Son of God, and God come down to us in the flesh to teach us how to carry our lives. But don't expect to be as good as Him. It is not possible. So be forgiving of your own sins, even as Our Father forgives your sins. If He can forgive them, then surely you can forgive yourselves WITHOUT a guilt trip on your head.

I spread good news too. Jesus is returning soon. That is WONDERFUL news. We've just got to get through the hard parts. And you can't get to heaven unless you die first, so be strong.

Let His Spirit Guide You and His Love Warm Your Hearts,

Michael Cadry
:wink:

[NormATive]

God is not limited.

Norm, you should really stop playing around here. This isn't a joke. I'm trying to show Michael some respect and you are obviously leading him on as if you believe him. You do not. Stop playing with people's emotions: its cruel.Who annointed you head salami?

The way I see it, I'm the only one willing to accept the possibility that Michael may have had an "experience." I honestly don't know what the big cosmic picture is. I wasn't around when it all was created.

You obviously think he's a fruitcake.

Who's being cruel here?

NORM

[NormATive]

In this particular case, I would say no, it is not possible. Uri Geller is a proven fraud: for God to be telling Cadry that Geller is "performing miracles with his mind" means that God is lying. This is not possible of any understanding I have of the Gods.

Now, the obvious counter-condition would be for God to lie ... but if this is the case, then what hope does any believer have?

All of this, of course, is based in Theistic beliefs, and I do not know where you stand on that issue. If you're an atheist, of course, you may be laughing up your sleeve at the lot of us ... and though I have strong Theist beliefs, I have to acknowledge the possibility that you are correct. But in light of the current issue, the Theist-Atheist argument can wait.

JustinYou bring up good points, Justin, but I do not rule out the possibility of G-d (or G-d's messenger) lying. There are numerous instances described in the Talmud of such acts. And, in Kabbalistic thought, there is even the notion of G-d containing both good and evil.

My heritage traces to Judaism (partly), and from what I understand, one of the greatest "sins" is to place limits on G-d. It's one of the reasons we refuse to write a "name." I mean, how does one account for the story of Job? What is THAT myth designed to teach about the nature of G-d?

NORM

[One Bad Pig]

I am not reaching many being on this chatline either, but at least I am reaching maybe 5 - 10 people, and that's a good thing. I might have to break off soon from this chat room to go and reach others.

You and kofh2u should join up. It can't hurt to have a messiah on your side.

[MichaelCadry]

Thank you, NormATive! I thought you were being sincere and you were the only one and first one to give me a chance. I'm sorry I doubted you.

I do not always know and am a bit gullible.

In the Love of Jesus Christ,

Michael Cadry

[MichaelCadry]

Well you all, I guess it's time I moved on to other Theological sites. I hope you will keep in mind all that I've said to you to hold it in your hearts during the times to come. Help one another and don't put yourself first, but put your brethren first in the times to come. Ok??

Thanks so much for having me and letting me bend your ear.

To God, the Omnipotent, Unending Father of Our Souls,

MichaelCadry

[MichaelCadry]

As an afterthought, I want to mention that if you have any further questions or need to contact me, you may contact me at mcadry1@cox.net

Thanks and God Bless,

Michael Cadry

[InChristAlways]

Dearest Furay,

Thank you for your respect and support. I thought Norm was an ally. I am very simple and I guess, too gullible. But I trust he is sincere, I hope. I must move on soon and share my testimony with others on the Internet. Don't know where the Lord will lead me next, but at least you all here know what is going on and can help others when things get even Very Rough. We have been suffering the tribulation for years now, but it will culminate with extreme tribulation for a short period of time, and then Jesus will return, and life will be grand on earth and in Heaven.

Thanks again!!!!!!!!!

May Jesus Make You A Pillar In His Temple,

MichaelCadryHi Micael. So how many resurrections do you see coming? This one site shows pretrib dispys expect 3 resurrections. Sounds kind of farfetched to me, but then most futurists interpretations are pretty farfetched to me as mine probably are to them LOL. Oh the glorius wonders of His Word!!!!:wink:

http://a-voice.org/qa/raptres.htm
Rapture and Resurrection again...


Issues 003 (http://a-voice.org/main/voice003.htm) & 004 (http://a-voice.org/main/voice004.htm) and Nov.94 (http://a-voice.org/qa/rapsyntx.htm) "Letters" touched on the topics of a Pre- tribulation Rapture, the difference between the Church and Israel, and the necessity of understanding these differences. How it is not Jesus' intention to judge the Church, but that Israel will go through the tribulation. (For retrospect, please refer back to those issues, or if you are a new reader, please request back issues)

Perhaps a bit more enlightenment would be beneficial. I have struggled with how to answer some questions raised, as Scripture sometimes seems confusing on this subject. A little tidbit in a publication that comes to me opened wide my understanding...if I had only taken what the Lord had shown me a bit further, to its full conclusion!

There are three future resurrections! The first resurrection and rapture occur at one time. The signal to creation that the time of God's wrath to be poured out on the earth is about to begin. This resurrection involves the Church (both Jew and Gentile), the bride of Christ. Already documented in those previous articles. This resurrection does not include O.T. saints.

The second resurrection occurs at the end of the tribulation, and involves the tribulation martyrs (Jew & Gentile, Rev 7)(Rev20:4,6).

The third and final resurrection is of the unbelievers from all of earth's history. (Rev 20:11-15) This occurs after the millennium(Rev 20:7-11a)

O.T. saints were already resurrected just after Jesus rose from the tomb. (Mt27:52-53) Confusion can arise when these different time periods and groups of people are mixed together.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear In Christ Always,

I'm so sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you. I've been extremely busy.

We know there was a resurrection when Jesus was resurrected over 2,000 years ago. We know this because it says in the Scriptures, 'and many of the saints arose and were seen...'

Now we are to have a resurrection soon when Jesus returns at His Second Coming. This goes without saying and is well-known.

Now we are also told in the Bible that the devil shall be locked away for a thousand years and then be loosed again to deceive people one last time. It then says that the books were opened and those in Death and in Hell were judged, and either receiving eternal life or eternal damnation. It then says, 'and Death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire'. Now whether you'd call that a resurrection is up to you.

That is it as far as I know. Thanks for sharing. Good hearing from you!!

To One of My Brethren in Christ,

Michael Cadry
:eek:

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Norm,

I want to thank you once again for sticking up for me and giving me a chance. You're like an angel sent from heaven. At least you can think for yourself, even if it goes against the grain of others.

I just found alot of Private Messages and did not know I had them. I still don't know if I answered them correctly, because I am not too computer savvy, much less on this website. I barely got my own website put together, and it's a very primative website, but if you ever want to visit it, it is:

www.jesusreturns.faithweb.com (http://www.jesusreturns.faithweb.com)


Godspeed that you be with Him in Heaven As Soon As He Would Have,

Michael Cadry
mcadry1@cox.net
:eek:
Please no advertising your site here. Thanks

[InChristAlways]

Dear In Christ Always,

I'm so sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you. I've been extremely busy.

We know there was a resurrection when Jesus was resurrected over 2,000 years ago. We know this because it says in the Scriptures, 'and many of the saints arose and were seen...'

Now we are to have a resurrection soon when Jesus returns at His Second Coming. This goes without saying and is well-known.

Now we are also told in the Bible that the devil shall be locked away for a thousand years and then be loosed again to deceive people one last time. It then says that the books were opened and those in Death and in Hell were judged, and either receiving eternal life or eternal damnation. It then says, 'and Death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire'. Now whether you'd call that a resurrection is up to you.

That is it as far as I know. Thanks for sharing. Good hearing from you!!

To One of My Brethren in Christ,

Michael Cadry
:eek:Hi MC. I cannot even begin to get into revelation here again, as I have posted pretty much about all I can. Most preterists appear to be in agreement about revelation being the destruction of Jerusalem and follows the Olivet discourse and Ezekiel quite well.
What is confusing, is on these 10 kings. If God is "using" them to come against the Harlot/Great City that has a temple, altar and worshippers, those 10 KINGS must be ones that didn't take the "mark of the beast" correct?
The only ones I can see taking the MOB, are the ones in the Great City. Any idea what that city might be. That is why I love studying that book.
Anyway, don't worry about endtimes too much, just enjoy your life with Christ and share that joy and Love with others, and read the Word everyday to strenghthen your Spirit in Christ, and maybe we can turn the world around eventually, who knows. We already have eternal Life through His Name.God bless.


reve 17:16 "And the ten horns/KINGS which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 "For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind/judgement, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."

[MichaelCadry]

Dear In Christ Always,

Thanks for your reply!! Good to hear from you again. I've been very busy talking with other Theologians and seeing about going on TV. I have an appt. on this Saturday.

The seven horns and ten kings are not presidents or kings/queens. They are kings of the devil, namely the seven deadly sins and more. I.E., gluttony, sloth, murder, thievery, adultery, etc. I know this sounds so unlikely, but In Christ, bear me out and see what the passing of time brings and what God will tell us what was what. OK??

An the eighth horn which came up was 'psychic powers'. Trust me. The Lord though, said specifically, do not follow after the psychics, or astrologers, or witches and wizards. And I might add poltergeists for that matter.

Anyway, I don't know if I've explained this well enough, but I hope so. The woman (city of Hollywood) had lordship over the ten kings of the earth, but some are not kings yet (sins). You must realize that the Bible says that this 'Whore' is that GREAT CITY which reigneth over the kings (sins) of the earth. See Revelation 17:18. It is not a woman or whore, it is talking about a city which is spiritually like ancient Babylon, where adultery, etc. was very common.

May God and Jesus Be At Your Side Always,

MichaelCadry
mcadry1@cox.net

[InChristAlways]

ICAHi MC. I cannot even begin to get into revelation here again, as I have posted pretty much about all I can. Most preterists appear to be in agreement about revelation being the destruction of Jerusalem and follows the Olivet discourse and Ezekiel quite well.
What is confusing, is on these 10 kings. If God is "using" them to come against the Harlot/Great City that has a temple, altar and worshippers, those 10 KINGS must be ones that didn't take the "mark of the beast" correct?
The only ones I can see taking the MOB, are the ones in the Great City. Any idea what that city might be. That is why I love studying that book.
Anyway, don't worry about endtimes too much, just enjoy your life with Christ and share that joy and Love with others, and read the Word everyday to strenghthen your Spirit in Christ, and maybe we can turn the world around eventually, who knows. We already have eternal Life through His Name.God bless.


reve 17:16 "And the ten horns/KINGS which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 "For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind/judgement, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."
Dear In Christ Always,

Thanks for your reply!! Good to hear from you again. I've been very busy talking with other Theologians and seeing about going on TV. I have an appt. on this Saturday.

The seven horns and ten kings are not presidents or kings/queens. They are kings of the devil, namely the seven deadly sins and more. I.E., gluttony, sloth, murder, thievery, adultery, etc. I know this sounds so unlikely, but In Christ, bear me out and see what the passing of time brings and what God will tell us what was what. OK??

An the eighth horn which came up was 'psychic powers'. Trust me. The Lord though, said specifically, do not follow after the psychics, or astrologers, or witches and wizards. And I might add poltergeists for that matter.

Anyway, I don't know if I've explained this well enough, but I hope so. The woman (city of Hollywood) had lordship over the ten kings of the earth, but some are not kings yet (sins). You must realize that the Bible says that this 'Whore' is that GREAT CITY which reigneth over the kings (sins) of the earth. See Revelation 17:18. It is not a woman or whore, it is talking about a city which is spiritually like ancient Babylon, where adultery, etc. was very common.

May God and Jesus Be At Your Side Always,

MichaelCadry
mcadry1@cox.netHi MC. Yes, Hollywood, that is indeed one sinfull City. May its shamefullness and nakedness be exposed!!!!

Nahum 3:4 Because of the multitude of harlotries of the seductive harlot, The mistress of sorceries, Who sells nations through her harlotries, And families through her sorceries. 5 " Behold, I [am] against you," says the LORD of hosts; "I will lift your skirts over your face, I will show the nations your nakedness, And the kingdoms your shame. 6 I will cast abominable filth upon you, Make you vile, And make you a spectacle.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear In Christ Always,

Now you're on the right track. Hollywood teaches all of the other cities of the U.S. and yes, of the world, so many ways to murder, steal, cheat, etc., and people who are not very balanced go and try to do these sins in their own cities. Crime then becomes rampant. But the real pirates are the writers in Hollywood, trying to come up with something more devious and shocking than the movies before. And not just their movies, but TV shows and magazines, also. They lead the world in movie output; which ends up on TV. All we keep seeing are ways to kill, shoot, torture and maim our own brethren and flesh and blood, and it's all like it's okay to do that. Such a disdain for human life, which is precious. I catch crickets and let them outside rather than kill them. I'm very touchy about harming life. But now mosquitoes deserve it, hehehehehe.

You take good care, my friend, and keep on posting. Am looking forward to hearing from you again. I must go to bed for now though. I have an appt. in the morning.

May His Peace Overcome Your Soul In That Time That He Decides,

MichaelCadry

[InChristAlways]

Anyway, I don't know if I've explained this well enough, but I hope so. The woman (city of Hollywood) had lordship over the ten kings of the earth, but some are not kings yet (sins). You must realize that the Bible says that this 'Whore' is that GREAT CITY which reigneth over the kings (sins) of the earth. See Revelation 17:18. It is not a woman or whore, it is talking about a city which is spiritually like ancient Babylon, where adultery, etc. was very common.
Hi MC. Yes, Hollywood, that is indeed one sinfull City. May its shamefullness and nakedness be exposed!!!!

Nahum 3:4 Because of the multitude of harlotries of the seductive harlot, The mistress of sorceries, Who sells nations through her harlotries, And families through her sorceries. 5 " Behold, I [am] against you," says the LORD of hosts; "I will lift your skirts over your face, I will show the nations your nakedness, And the kingdoms your shame. 6 I will cast abominable filth upon you, Make you vile, And make you a spectacle. Dear In Christ Always,

Now you're on the right track. Hollywood teaches all of the other cities of the U.S. and yes, of the world, so many ways to murder, steal, cheat, etc., and people who are not very balanced go and try to do these sins in their own cities. Crime then becomes rampant. But the real pirates are the writers in Hollywood, trying to come up with Hi MC. Yes, an amazing prophecy by God, to think Hollywood is the actual Harlot in revelation God talked about over 2000yrs ago. Some think it is New York or San Francisco, though I believe some think it might even be a false church today, decieving and leading those astray from the teachings of Christ Jesus.
Afterall, are all christians "virgin firstfruits" today?

reve 14:4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from [among] men, [b] firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear StudyHound,

Thanks for editing my post for me. I didn't realize I wasn't suppose to type my website address. I'm learning here.

May God Bless You With Fruitfulness,

MichaelCadry
:eek:

[MichaelCadry]

Dear InChristAlways,

Good to hear from you! Yes, I was told about Hollywood in a vision, by an angel. I was pale as a ghost when I came out of the out-of-body experience and my countenance was changed indeed. I'm sure I was still pale 3 hours later when my boss got in to work and saw me, but I had to keep what happened to myself. Some of my experiences and visions, I keep to myself, and some I share. I have many things I could share with you, but you are not yet able to bear them. Anyway, certainly not on a public chat board where even children might read about them.

Let is also be sufficient that despite my experiences about the latter days and Armaggedon, I always put my CLOSE relationship with My Father and His Son, first!! They are the Father and Brother that I never had growing up. Now, finally my best of dreams has come true because I have the Best Father and Brother a man/child could ask for. I know it's taken alot of great suffering indeed, but I am pleased with my reward for it all indeed, also.

Please keep sharing and let us know more about YOU!

May God and Jesus Hold Your Heart In Their Hands Always,

MichaelCadry

[MichaelCadry]

Hi Y'All,

I was on Public Access TV yesterday by myself. It was like a commentary instead of an interview. I was alone and it went half-way decent. I got pretty nervous half-way through, because I was trying to share my experiences, yet I also had to keep my eye on the timer I'd brought because they require you to time your camera time to 27 mins and 45 secs up to 29 mins. It had to be that amount of time mandatory. I'm suppose to call them this coming Thursday to find out when it's going to air. It will air four times in the next four weeks, once a week. For about 1/2 min., I was silent trying to think of what to say, but I didn't go into it with a script or anything, just spoke as it all came back to me.

Will chat later. Got to run. Wish me God's Blessings that it will air soon.

Much Love in His Name,

MichaelCadry

[MichaelCadry]

Please see Revelation 11:10,...and these two prophets TORMENTED those that dwell on earth...(by the testimony they witnessed and spoke to other people, that did not want to hear). So please don't be unkind to me about what I have to share with you. I only am sharing what I have heard of the Lord and angels, nothing more. I know it may bug some people, but some people have more spirit of God in them, and those people are not bugged as much. But those who have too much of bad spirit in them, they are bugged by what I have to say because the devil doesn't want them to hear what I have to say, which is the truth. Reconsider me, please!

In His Loving Kindness and Compassion,

MichaelCadry
mcadry1@cox.net

[Spinyn00bman]

Please see Revelation 11:10,...and these two prophets TORMENTED those that dwell on earth...(by the testimony they witnessed and spoke to other people, that did not want to hear). So please don't be unkind to me about what I have to share with you. I only am sharing what I have heard of the Lord and angels, nothing more. I know it may bug some people, but some people have more spirit of God in them, and those people are not bugged as much. But those who have too much of bad spirit in them, they are bugged by what I have to say because the devil doesn't want them to hear what I have to say, which is the truth. Reconsider me, please!

In His Loving Kindness and Compassion,

MichaelCadry
mcadry1@cox.net

Are you saying you are one of these two prophets?

[MichaelCadry]

Dear SpinyNorm,

Yes, I definitely am as it was revealed to me by the Lord. I may not have ALL of the answers, but that's one thing I'm sure of. A Daily News Reporter would not believe what I had to say in NYC, Manhattan, so the Lord told me to write him and tell him that God would send 7 inches of snow on his Daily News Building within 48 hours of him receiving my letter. I have the letter. It has the ABC-TV logo on it because that's where I worked at the time. I also have a copy of the New York Post's article on the 7 inches of snow happening. Every time the devil bugs me too much or if I need a secure true answer from the Lord, He sends rain, snow, even earthquakes and tidal waves, and tornadoes, to help me. This is been happening to me for a long time now and I appreciate it. It is one of the very few things I have.

One of Two Olive Branches Who Empty Their Oil (Spirit and Words) Out,

MichaelCadry
mcadry1@cox.net
:eek:
:wink:

[Krusader]

Dear SpinyNorm,

Yes, I definitely am as it was revealed to me by the Lord. I may not have ALL of the answers, but that's one thing I'm sure of. A Daily News Reporter would not believe what I had to say in NYC, Manhattan, so the Lord told me to write him and tell him that God would send 7 inches of snow on his Daily News Building within 48 hours of him receiving my letter. I have the letter. It has the ABC-TV logo on it because that's where I worked at the time. I also have a copy of the New York Post's article on the 7 inches of snow happening. Every time the devil bugs me too much or if I need a secure true answer from the Lord, He sends rain, snow, even earthquakes and tidal waves, and tornadoes, to help me. This is been happening to me for a long time now and I appreciate it. It is one of the very few things I have.

One of Two Olive Branches Who Empty Their Oil (Spirit and Words) Out,

MichaelCadry
mcadry1@cox.net
:eek:
:wink:


Gosh, you meet all kinds of people here! Next Anti-Christ will be posting!!!!

[InChristAlways]

Dearest Furay,Thank you for your respect and support. I thought Norm was an ally. I am very simple and I guess, too gullible. But I trust he is sincere, I hope. I must move on soon and share my testimony with others on the Internet. Don't know where the Lord will lead me next, but at least you all here know what is going on and can help others when things get even Very Rough. We have been suffering the tribulation for years now, but it will culminate with extreme tribulation for a short period of time, and then Jesus will return, and life will be grand on earth and in Heaven.

Thanks again!!!!!!!!!

May Jesus Make You A Pillar In His Temple,
Anyway, I don't know if I've explained this well enough, but I hope so. The woman (city of Hollywood) had lordship over the ten kings of the earth, but some are not kings yet (sins). You must realize that the Bible says that this 'Whore' is that GREAT CITY which reigneth over the kings (sins) of the earth. See Revelation 17:18. It is not a woman or whore, it is talking about a city which is spiritually like ancient Babylon, where adultery, etc. was very common.


Hi MC. Yes, Hollywood, that is indeed one sinfull City. May its shamefullness and nakedness be exposed!!!!

Nahum 3:4 Because of the multitude of harlotries of the seductive harlot, The mistress of sorceries, Who sells nations through her harlotries, And families through her sorceries. 5 " Behold, I [am] against you," says the LORD of hosts; "I will lift your skirts over your face, I will show the nations your nakedness, And the kingdoms your shame. 6 I will cast abominable filth upon you, Make you vile, And make you a spectacle.
Dear In Christ Always,

Now you're on the right track. Hollywood teaches all of the other cities of the U.S. and yes, of the world, so many ways to murder, steal, cheat, etc., and people who are not very balanced go and try to do these sins in their own cities. Cr Hi MC. I am looking forward to either a book or movie by you, as those Left Behind Books are getting kind of boring and showing their "age" a bit. We need something more refreshing to look at and you have provided it.
You bring great insight here and don't let anyone convince you otherwise my friend.:wink:


Malachi 4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up," Says the LORD of hosts, "That will leave them neither root nor branch.

ezekiel 22:17 The word of the LORD came to me, saying, 18 "Son of man, the house of Israel [California]has become dross to Me; they [are] all bronze, tin, iron, and lead, in the midst of a furnace; they have become dross from silver. 19 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: 'Because you have all become dross, therefore behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem[Hollywood]. 20 '[As men] gather silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt so I will gather [you] in My anger and in My fury, and I will leave [you there] and melt you. [i]21 'Yes, I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst. 22 'As silver is melted in the midst of a furnace, so shall you be melted in its midst; then you shall know that I, the LORD, have poured out My fury on you.' "

[Undomiel]

This is an interesting summation and vision. I think the Alien comparison is accurate, as I believe Aliens are actually Angels, Fallen and Holy. I believe God is supernatural and angels are the bridge between the supernatural realm and our natural realm. The bible describes them as messengers of God. My husband had a similar experience in which he met 2 angels, who he claimed had waves of love pouring out of them. He said it was a very humbling experience. They asked him a few questions and inspected his soul, or something to that effect. It was quite an interesting story.

I agree that Hollywood is very Babylon-esque, although I'm not sure I'm convinced it's Babylon. Babylon is characterized as a having a form of Godliness, an adulterated form (thusly the inferences to the beast speaking like a lamb, et.al, like a christian, but better representing the old religions of Babylon which taught things like worship of Ishtar and Asteroth as the Queen of Heaven, the Priesthoods adorned in rich garments and holding positions of authority, parades and celebrations based on the worship of the angels and false gods and idols, fetishes and statues. A sort of hybrid of paganism and christianity ), in which the worshipper does not worship the Creator but the Created (worship of angels and so forth). It's also placed on the 7-headed beast of the Roman Empire.

[InChristAlways]

Yes, I definitely am as it was revealed to me by the Lord. I may not have ALL of the answers, but that's one thing I'm sure of. A Daily News Reporter would not believe what I had to say in NYC, Manhattan, so the Lord told me to write him and tell him that God would send 7 inches of snow on his Daily News Building within 48 hours of him receiving my letter. I have the letter. It has the ABC-TV logo on it because that's where I worked at the time. I also have a copy of the New York Post's article on the 7 inches of snow happening. Every time the devil bugs me too much or if I need a secure true answer from the Lord, He sends rain, snow, even earthquakes and tidal waves, and tornadoes, to help me. This is been happening to me for a long time now and I appreciate it. It is one of the very few things I have.Good to hear from you! Yes, I was told about Hollywood in a vision, by an angel. I was pale as a ghost when I came out of the out-of-body experience and my countenance was changed indeed. I'm sure I was still pale 3 hours later when my boss got in to work and saw me, but I had to keep what happened to myself. Some of my experiences and visions, I keep to myself, and some I share. I have many things I could share with you, but you are not yet able to bear them. Anyway, certainly not on a public chat board where even children might read about them.
Hi MC. Yes, Hollywood, that is indeed one sinfull City. May its shamefullness and nakedness be exposed!!!!

Nahum 3:4 Because of the multitude of harlotries of the seductive harlot, The mistress of sorceries, Who sells nations through her harlotries, And families through her sorceries. 5 " Behold, I [am] against you," says the LORD of hosts; "I will lift your skirts over your face, I will show the nations your nakedness, And the kingdoms your shame. 6 I will cast abominable filth upon you, Make you vile, And make you a spectacle. This is an interesting summation and vision. I think the Alien comparison is accurate, as I believe Aliens are actually Angels, Fallen and Holy. I believe God is supernatural and angels are the bridge between the supernatural realm and our natural realm. The bible describes them as messengers of God. My husband had a similar experience in which he met 2 angels, who he claimed had waves of love pouring out of them. He said it was a very humbling experience. They asked him a few questions and inspected his soul, or something to that effect. It was quite an interesting story.

I agree that Hollywood is very Babylon-esque, although I'm not sure I'm convinced it's Babylon. Babylon is characterized as a having a form of Godliness, an adulterated form (thusly the inferences to the beast speaking like a lamb, et.al, like a christian, but better representing the old religions of Babylon which taught things like worship of Ishtar and Asteroth as the Queen of Heaven, the Priesthoods adorned in rich garments and holding positions of authority, parades and celebrations based on the worship of the angels and false gods and idols, fetishes and statues. A sort of hybrid of paganism and christianity ), in which the worshipper does not worship the Creator but the Created (worship of angels and so forth). It's also placed on the 7-headed beast of the Roman Empire.Hi Undo.
I believe you and MC should get together on this. Hollywood could indeed be Babylon, as they are recrucifying Christ again and again by their Harlotries. Since the 2 witnesses lie in "spiritual" Sodom and Egypt, it would be a city like Sodom{New York/Hollywood} and a country like Egypt{New York/California}. I felt it might symbolically be Israel and Jerusalem since a temple of God is mentioned and the only place I know of where the temple of God was, was in Jerusalem.
Anyway, I am anxious to here more of your visions as it sure beats those of the ones of the "Left Behind" books.

reve 11:7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies [will lie] in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom[Jerualem/New York City/Hollywood] and Egypt[Israel/New York/California], where also our Lord was crucified.

[MichaelCadry]

Hi, I hope everyone is amusing themselves with my testimonies. Actually, I don't hope it. I was told that Phoenix was spiritually like Egypt, and that is where these two 'prophets' or 'witnesses' shall be killed by the devil, after he makes war with them for as long as The Father will allow. I am tired, is all that I know, but I will bear whatever cup My Father asks of me, though not as I would have, but as He would have. I am years over being tired with having Satan fight with me, but I have remained strong and sane, and my countenance is withstanding all of the obstacles that the devil does try to put me through. I sure do feel that once the Lord God takes me to heaven, there is little chance that Satan will be able to cause me to fall from it. I've gone through everything he's dished out, and I know I have to go through even more for the 3 and 1/2 days after I die, once I am in hell fighting with the devil. But I will overcome the devil and death and hell, God Willing, and I put my trust in Him and His Ability to hold onto my heart and hands.

Well, should close for now. If you all cannot hear or bear my testimony or words now, how shall you be able to deal with the devil?? I know the answer. It is because God will further take care of you, just as He had me.

Bye and God's Best,

Michael

[Hidden Manna]

Hi, I hope everyone is amusing themselves with my testimonies. Actually, I don't hope it. I was told that Phoenix was spiritually like Egypt, and that is where these two 'prophets' or 'witnesses' shall be killed by the devil, after he makes war with them for as long as The Father will allow. I am tired, is all that I know, but I will bear whatever cup My Father asks of me, though not as I would have, but as He would have. I am years over being tired with having Satan fight with me, but I have remained strong and sane, and my countenance is withstanding all of the obstacles that the devil does try to put me through. I sure do feel that once the Lord God takes me to heaven, there is little chance that Satan will be able to cause me to fall from it. I've gone through everything he's dished out, and I know I have to go through even more for the 3 and 1/2 days after I die, once I am in hell fighting with the devil. But I will overcome the devil and death and hell, God Willing, and I put my trust in Him and His Ability to hold onto my heart and hands.

Well, should close for now. If you all cannot hear or bear my testimony or words now, how shall you be able to deal with the devil?? I know the answer. It is because God will further take care of you, just as He had me.

Bye and God's Best,

Michael

Micheal, that is one very sad testamony. I do not know if you have heard or not but we are now in the new heaven and earth where God's presences now indwells us. The great tibulation occured three and a half years before Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 when Jesus appeared in the clouds to execute judgment and destroy Satan and then set up His Kingdom which is unobservable.

The end of the world was the end of the old covenant age that was the last days that the scriptures spoke of. For more info check out this link:

http://www.newjerusalemcommunity.com/

[Hidden Manna]

Dear SpinyNorm,

Yes, I definitely am as it was revealed to me by the Lord. I may not have ALL of the answers, but that's one thing I'm sure of. A Daily News Reporter would not believe what I had to say in NYC, Manhattan, so the Lord told me to write him and tell him that God would send 7 inches of snow on his Daily News Building within 48 hours of him receiving my letter. I have the letter. It has the ABC-TV logo on it because that's where I worked at the time. I also have a copy of the New York Post's article on the 7 inches of snow happening. Every time the devil bugs me too much or if I need a secure true answer from the Lord, He sends rain, snow, even earthquakes and tidal waves, and tornadoes, to help me. This is been happening to me for a long time now and I appreciate it. It is one of the very few things I have.

One of Two Olive Branches Who Empty Their Oil (Spirit and Words) Out,

MichaelCadry
mcadry1@cox.net
:eek:
:wink:

Okay now I know where you are coming from, you are saying that you are one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11, so please read this artical.

The Two Witnesses of Revelation
By Stephen Smith

We can all agree that there is nothing in the Apocalypse, nor in any of John’s other writings, that can’t be found elsewhere in Scripture. All of the imagery is a compilation of threads of prophecies from the Old Covenant, woven together into a new garment. It all looks very familiar, even if there are some slight variations here and there.

And in that day the Lord GOD of hosts called for weeping and for mourning, for baldness and for girding with sackcloth (Isaiah 22:12)

O daughter of my people, dress in sackcloth and roll about in ashes! Make mourning as for an only son, most bitter lamentation; for the plunderer will suddenly come upon us (Jeremiah 6:26).
The elders of the daughter of Zion sit on the ground and keep silence; they throw dust on their heads and gird themselves with sackcloth. The virgins of Jerusalem bow their heads to the ground (Lamentations 2:10).

The thread of judgment on Israel, found in the Old Covenant, is woven together in the Apocalypse so that it is applicable to John’s day, but the same kind of destruction is in view. The symbolism of sackcloth refers to the intense grief of the recipients of such judgment and is found in the New Covenant, as well. To continue:
One witness shall not rise against a man concerning any iniquity or any sin that he commits; by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established (Deuteronomy 19:15).

“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior. I have declared and saved, I have proclaimed, and there was no foreign god among you; therefore you are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “that I am God. Indeed before the day was, I am He; and there is no one who can deliver out of My hand; I work, and who will reverse it?” (Isaiah 43:10-13)

Israel was the witness to the fact of God’s power and the works that He had done, since He had delivered them from Egypt with “a mighty hand.”

The House of Judah was composed of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (I Kings 12:21; II Chronicles 11:12); the tribe of Levi also eventually sided with the House of Judah, having been rejected as priests by the rulers of the House of Israel (II Chronicles 11:13-14).

The ten tribes (I Kings 11:31, 35) which composed the House of Israel were the tribes of Ephraim, Manasseh, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun, and Dan. Those ten northern tribes were led by the tribe of Ephraim, which was given Israel’s blessing on his deathbed (Genesis 48:14-22).

Israel, as a two-kingdom nation is in view in the Book of Revelation. The simile extends further, when certain symbolic images, taken from the Old Covenant, are described.
These are the two olive trees and the two lamp stands standing before the God of the earth (Revelation 11:4).

The two witnesses are symbolically called “two olive trees” and also “two lamp stands.” The prophecies of Jeremiah and Zechariah are applicable here:

The Lord called your name, Green Olive Tree, lovely and of good fruit. With the noise of a great tumult He has kindled fire on it, and its branches are broken. For YHWH SABAOTH, who planted you, has pronounced doom against you for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke Me to anger in offering incense to Baal (Jeremiah 11:16-17).

And I further answered and said to him, “What are these two olive branches that drip into the receptacles of the two gold pipes from which the golden oil drains?” Then he answered me and said, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” So he said, “These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth.” (Zechariah 4:12-14)

So, there is a clear connection between Israel/Judah and the two witnesses.

Hosea prophesied many years before the House of Israel fell to the Assyrians (circa 721 B.C.E.). While he wrote to the House of Judah and the House of Israel in his prophecies, he primarily directed his message to the House of Israel, or Ephraim.
Illustrating the House of Israel’s rebellion, the Lord God commanded Hosea to marry a temple prostitute (Hosea 1:2). Note that there were no “street walkers” in the ancient world. Every temple of Baal or any “high place” of Ashtoreth employed prostitutes as priestesses. The prostitute bore three children and God told Hosea to name them symbolically. The children were named Jezreel (“God sows”), Lo-Ruhamah (“no mercy”), and Lo-Ammi (“no people”). The three names described God’s punishment on the Tribes of Israel, as He explained to Hosea.

Jezreel represented God’s sowing of the House of Israel among the pagan nations of the earth after being carried away into captivity by the Assyrians (Hosea 8:8; Zechariah 10:7-10). The name, Lo-Ruhamah meant that God would no longer have mercy upon the House of Israel and He sent the Assyrians to take them captive because of their sins (Hosea 1:6). Lo-Ammi illustrated the loss of national identity that Israel experienced. After they were conquered, the Diaspora lost the knowledge of who they were. They eventually came to view themselves as “gentiles.”
Romans chapter eleven identifies Judah and Israel as “natural” and “wild,” signifying their dissection and their dissimilar experiences. Judah was domestic and Israel had become feral.

And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree (Romans 11:17a).

For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob” (Romans 11:24-26).
So, Paul is following right along with John and the Old Covenant prophets who identified Israel and Judah with the Jews and gentiles.

The “natural” olive tree depicts the House of Judah, upon which the early Assembly (Greek: EKKLESIA) was built, since Jesus had said, “salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22). Paul depicts the Jews who rejected the Messiah as branches broken off from the “natural root” because they did not believe.

God told Hosea that He was going to cut-off the House of Israel because of their sins (Hosea 1:6). However, He said that He would not divorce the House of Judah (Hosea 1:7), although their later sins were more despicable than those of Israel (Ezekiel 23:11). God punished them, but never “put them away.”

Paul understood that the Greeks and the uncircumcised that he was evangelizing were, in fact, descendants of the ten lost tribes.

Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was the Messiah. But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness (I Corinthians 10:1-5).
Paul is writing to a group of former pagans (I Corinthians 12:2). Yet, in using the example of the Israelites that had come out of Egypt, he refers to them as “our fathers” (I Corinthians 10:1). And he didn’t mean “fathers” in a spiritual sense. Those who had rebelled against God in the desert are the ones in view, here, so Paul means that those rebels were the Corinthians’ physical fathers.
I do need to bring up a few more points about the Jews and gentiles, since I believe that the final analysis of the Two Witnesses will bear upon the concept.
And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made by God to our fathers. To this promise our twelve tribes, earnestly serving God night and day, hope to attain. For this hope’s sake, King Agrippa, I am accused by the Jews (Acts 26:6).

Since the restoration had not been accomplished in Acts 26, then the “twelve tribes” he refers to must have included the scattered Israelites!

In the opening words of his letter, James addressed the body of believers, both Jews and “gentiles.”

James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes that are scattered abroad: Greetings (James 1:1).

Once more, the restoration of the Kingdom had not yet occurred, so there were no “twelve tribes” except in terms of the Diaspora who had forgotten they were even Jews and considered themselves to be no different than their neighbors. That’s one of the reasons Paul has such difficulty keeping them out of the pagan temples and practicing things that “were not seemly.”

Foreign people, not of Abraham’s lineage, have been included in the Assembly since the beginning (Exodus 12:38; Isaiah 56:3-8). God has always allowed “strangers” to become part of His chosen people. But, those who were called by God to the Messiah (John 6:44, 65) were physical Israelites, both from the House of Judah (the “natural” olive) and the House of Israel (the “wild” olive). Those two olive trees are the two witnesses of Revelation 11 and not Moses, Elijah or any other person – dead or alive at the time.


Don't be deceived by futureism MichaelCadry, all scripture was fulfilled in AD 70, Luke 21:22. :wink:

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

I agree with all of your scriptural references, but I do not agree with you. So hopefully, we can agree to disagree, and remain friends. Of course I consider everything in the scriptures to be true, but if everything was done in 70 A.D., where is Jesus' Second Coming in all of that?? And so very much more. Like the entire book of Revelation and Daniel. Was the latter days in 70A.D.?? C'mon!

May God Give You Unhidden Manna and Truth to Eat,

MichaelCadry
mcadry1@cox.net

Combined from post below
Dear Hidden Manna,

I do thank you very, very much for posting though. Even if we can't agree we can still be friends. Time's passing will show the truth, so it doesn't have to keep us from being acquaintances. I am a 49 year old male, gonna b 50 on Oct. 12, (Columbus Day). I have worked at ABC-TV, CBS TV & Records, and the United Nations FPG (Funds for Populated Growth, a financial help to other nations). I've also worked at General Electric Carboloy Division as a technical editor and writer, among many other things. I type 120 wpm on the computer, 103 wpm on an IBM Selectric. w/3 mistakes. I'm just trying to tell you some things about me. Now please share some things about yourself with me/us. I don't know you yet. I am new here. I don't want to just keep talking about myself or Revelations all the time. Be friendly and tell me some things about you. It might help me understand you better too.

May God's Peace and Strength Be With You in Truth,

MichaelWCadry

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

I do thank you very, very much for posting though. Even if we can't agree we can still be friends. Time's passing will show the truth, so it doesn't have to keep us from being acquaintances. I am a 49 year old male, gonna b 50 on Oct. 12, (Columbus Day). I have worked at ABC-TV, CBS TV & Records, and the United Nations FPG (Funds for Populated Growth, a financial help to other nations). I've also worked at General Electric Carboloy Division as a technical editor and writer, among many other things. I type 120 wpm on the computer, 103 wpm on an IBM Selectric. w/3 mistakes. I'm just trying to tell you some things about me. Now please share some things about yourself with me/us. I don't know you yet. I am new here. I don't want to just keep talking about myself or Revelations all the time. Be friendly and tell me some things about you. It might help me understand you better too.

May God's Peace and Strength Be With You in Truth,

MichaelWCadry Please refrain from posting back to back post to the same person so soon (7 minutes) please use the edit fuction.
Thank you.
This post will be combined with the previous post.

[Hidden Manna]

Dear Hidden Manna,

I agree with all of your scriptural references, but I do not agree with you. So hopefully, we can agree to disagree, and remain friends. Of course I consider everything in the scriptures to be true, but if everything was done in 70 A.D., where is Jesus' Second Coming in all of that?? And so very much more. Like the entire book of Revelation and Daniel. Was the latter days in 70A.D.?? C'mon!

May God Give You Unhidden Manna and Truth to Eat,

MichaelCadry
mcadry1@cox.net

In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus points to the temple and great buildings and says, “not one stone shall be left upon one another, that shall not be thrown down (Matt. 24:1-3; Mark 13:1-4; Luke 21:5-7). The disciples respond by asking two questions: 1) When will these things take place? And 2) What will be the sign of Your coming and the end of the age?

This refers to the destruction upon Jerusalem in 70 AD. Matthew 24:1-3 expressly refers solely to the destruction of the temple and Christ’s return at the end of the Jews age. The reference to the “end of the world,” in that scripture is literally translated “end of the age.” The Jewish age ended at the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple. “Jesus does not change subjects when the disciples ask the question when will these things take place? What things? The things about the Temple Jesus just mentioned in verse 1.

Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another, that will not be thrown down.” As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” (Matthew 24:1-3)

As Jesus’ disciples had just heard His prediction of “desolation” for the temple and city, they no doubt felt bewildered and wondered, “Lord, you cannot mean this temple!” They must have been astonished when Jesus told them that the temple was going to be destroyed, with not one stone left upon another. The disciples’ question involved three interrelated events: (1) the time of the temple’s destruction; (2) the signs that would signal Jesus’ Coming; and (3) the sign that would bring about the end of the age, compare parallel passages in Mark 13:4 and Luke 21:7. The disciples’ questions were related to the destruction of the temple and the end of the Jewish economy and to nothing else. There is no basis for a 2000-year “gap theory.”

Most carnal Bible interpreters think that the disciples wanted to know about the end of the planet. But the disciples did not ask about the end of the “world” (Gk. kosmos). Rather, with the temple and city as their main focus, they asked about the end of the “age” (Gk. aion). In Strong’s exhaustive concordance, it says of the word aion, “spec. (Jewish) a Messianic period (present).”

In Luke 21:20 we have other details of this predicted overthrow of the city and the Temple. There Jesus adds, “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.”
Then in verses 27-28 Jesus also goes on to says; then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

How many times have you heard in sermons that we have been redeemed? There is even a songs about it, “Redeemed, How I Love To Proclaim It, Since I Have Been Redeemed, Victory In Jesus” just to name a few. If the first century Christians were waiting to be redeemed, then we should be waiting to be redeemed if Jesus has not returned, in order to be consistent with the Bible. Futurists and here is a question for you. What and when is the “day of redemption”? Why do you teach something that goes against the word of God? See comments in Hebrews 9:28.

As long as the earthly Temple was still standing the way for man back into God’s eternal presence was Not open or manifested as Hebrews 9:8 clearly says. the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing.

If Christ has not come, then we are still waiting to be individually redeemed from our sins. Luke 21:28 “When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
It is time to get back to the clear teaching in the Bible

[MichaelCadry]

Thank you Studyhound. I hope I know what I'm doing here. In other words, don't post to the same person unless it's been at least 7 mins?? I can do that.

God's Best to You,

MichaelCadry

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

No comment. You go ahead and believe what you want.

God Be With You,

MichaelCadry

[InChristAlways]

HMone stone shall be left upon one another, that shall not be thrown down (Matt. 24:1-3; Mark 13:1-4; Luke 21:5-7). The disciples respond by asking two questions: 1) When will these things take place? And 2) What will be the sign of Your coming and the end of the age?

This refers to the destruction upon Jerusalem in 70 AD. Matthew 24:1-3 expressly refers solely to the destruction of the temple and Christ’s return at the end of the Jews age. The reference to the “end of the world,” in that scripture is literally translated “end of the age.” The Jewish age ended at the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple. “Jesus does not change subjects when the disciples ask the question when will these things take place? What things? The things about the Temple Jesus just mentioned in verse 1. Most carnal Bible interpreters think that the disciples wanted to know about the end of the planet. But the disciples did not ask about the end of the “world” (Gk. kosmos). Rather, with the temple and city as their main focus, they asked about the end of the “age” (Gk. aion). In Strong’s exhaustive concordance, it says of the word aion, “spec. (Jewish) a Messianic period (present).” Dear Hidden Manna,

I agree with all of your scriptural references, but I do not agree with you. So hopefully, we can agree to disagree, and remain friends. Of course I consider everything in the scriptures to be true, but if everything was done in 70 A.D., where is Jesus' Second Coming in all of that?? And so very much more. Like the entire book of Revelation and Daniel. Was the latter days in 70A.D.?? C'mon!

May God Give You Unhidden Manna and Truth to Eat,

MichaelCadry

Dear Hidden Manna,

I do thank you very, very much for posting though. Even if we can't agree we can still be friends. Time's passing will show the truth, so it doesn't have to keep us from being acquaintances. I am a 49 year old male, gonna b 50 on Oct. 12, (Columbus Day). I have worked at ABC-TV, CBS TV & Records, and the United Nations FPG (Funds for Populated Growth, a financial help to other nations). I've also worked at General Electric Carboloy Division as a technical editor and writer, among many other things. I type 120 wpm on the computer, 103 wpm on an IBM Selectric. w/3 mistakes. I'm just trying to tell you some things about me. Now please share some things about yourself with me/us. I don't know you yet. I am new here. I don't want to just keep talking about myself or Revelations all the time. Be friendly and tell me some things about you. It might help me understand you better too.

May God's Peace and Strength Be With You in Truth,

MichaelWCadryHI MC. What is the Great Mystery of God in chapt 10 and what happens after it? Is earth still around or is it destroyed and nothing left? What is meant by Luke 21:22 to you? reve 10:7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets. Luke 21:22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. John 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

Revelation 16:1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth." 17 And, the seventh, poured out his bowl upon the air.--And there came forth a loud voice out of the sanctuary, from the throne, saying--It is done!

reve 21:5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful." 6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.

[MichaelCadry]

Oh In Christ Always,

I'm not sure I should declare to you the mystery of God until it is made known to you by Himself. Seven thunders uttered their voices, and I was about to write, and they were put under lock and key. But I will tell you One of the mysteries of God, and you and all on this theologyweb will not believe and will despise me. Nevertheless, I do it.

Just as the angels have the stars as heavenly bodies to live on, and just as us here on earth who go to heaven will be given a heavenly body to dwell within, so then does the Lord God have a heavenly body that He dwells in. It circles us roughly every 24 hours. It is His Great White Throne, namely our own Moon, which has a 'man in the moon' having two eyes and a nose and a mouth. But only the purest in heart shall He reveal His Face to, except for during Armaggedon, when His face shall have an angry stance and He shall reveal Himself to the earth's people. He is that great, white throne in the heavens when the clouds scrolled together. What did you all expect...a great, white chair??? How blaise. Do not worship the moon, but worship God instead, regardless of what is revealed to you.

I will tell you this mystery also. The lake of fire is our sun. Not during this resurrection, but in the very end of the next resurrection, the sun will explode and be a lake of fire, and the false prophet and the antichrist shall be cast there, where Lucifer already is. And Satan will be cast there also.

These are heavy secrets that I should not have told you, but you asked. Believe or don't believe. It is not my problem. No, the earth shall still be here after this first coming resurrection when Jesus returns, and man shall live again on this earth and lay under a tree without fear of being attacked by another man or a beast. And the lion shall lie down with the lamb.

Please don't ask me anymore dire secrets, cause you all will just despise me because of my answers. Remember, I've asked you this.

To The Holiest of Holies, Our God and His Redeemer, Christ,

MichaelCadry

[Hidden Manna]

Oh In Christ Always,

I'm not sure I should declare to you the mystery of God until it is made known to you by Himself. Seven thunders uttered their voices, and I was about to write, and they were put under lock and key. But I will tell you One of the mysteries of God, and you and all on this theologyweb will not believe and will despise me. Nevertheless, I do it.

Just as the angels have the stars as heavenly bodies to live on, and just as us here on earth who go to heaven will be given a heavenly body to dwell within, so then does the Lord God have a heavenly body that He dwells in. It circles us roughly every 24 hours. It is His Great White Throne, namely our own Moon, which has a 'man in the moon' having two eyes and a nose and a mouth. But only the purest in heart shall He reveal His Face to, except for during Armaggedon, when His face shall have an angry stance and He shall reveal Himself to the earth's people. He is that great, white throne in the heavens when the clouds scrolled together. What did you all expect...a great, white chair??? How blaise. Do not worship the moon, but worship God instead, regardless of what is revealed to you.

I will tell you this mystery also. The lake of fire is our sun. Not during this resurrection, but in the very end of the next resurrection, the sun will explode and be a lake of fire, and the false prophet and the antichrist shall be cast there, where Lucifer already is. And Satan will be cast there also.

These are heavy secrets that I should not have told you, but you asked. Believe or don't believe. It is not my problem. No, the earth shall still be here after this first coming resurrection when Jesus returns, and man shall live again on this earth and lay under a tree without fear of being attacked by another man or a beast. And the lion shall lie down with the lamb.

Please don't ask me anymore dire secrets, cause you all will just despise me because of my answers. Remember, I've asked you this.

To The Holiest of Holies, Our God and His Redeemer, Christ,

MichaelCadry

You say the sun will be the lake of fire. There is a big problem with this, when a star blows up the fire goes out as all stars that have blown up before. But the lake of fire burns forever, so if the sun "star" blow up how could it then burn forever.

I believe we should be looking it this in a spiritual sense not literal as in the sun being the Lake of Fire and the moon the Great White Thrown. :doh:

[InChristAlways]

Oh In Christ Always,

I'm not sure I should declare to you the mystery of God until it is made known to you by Himself. Seven thunders uttered their voices, and I was about to write, and they were put under lock and key. But I will tell you One of the mysteries of God, and you and all on this theologyweb will not believe and will despise me. Nevertheless, I do it.

Just as the angels have the stars as heavenly bodies to live on, and just as us here on earth who go to heaven will be given a heavenly body to dwell within, so then does the Lord God have a heavenly body that He dwells in. It circles us roughly every 24 hours. It is His Great White Throne, namely our own Moon, which has a 'man in the moon' having two eyes and a nose and a mouth. But only the purest in heart shall He reveal His Face to, except for during Armaggedon, when His face shall have an angry stance and He shall reveal Himself to the earth's people. He is that great, white throne in the heavens when the clouds scrolled together. What did you all expect...a great, white chair??? How blaise. Do not worship the moon, but worship God instead, regardless of what is revealed to you.

I will tell you this mystery also. The lake of fire is our sun. Not during this resurrection, but in the very end of the next resurrection, the sun will explode and be a lake of fire, and the false prophet and the antichrist shall be cast there, where Lucifer already is. And Satan will be cast there also.

These are heavy secrets that I should not have told you, but you asked. Believe or don't believe. It is not my problem. No, the earth shall still be here after this first coming resurrection when Jesus returns, and man shall live again on this earth and lay under a tree without fear of being attacked by another man or a beast. And the lion shall lie down with the lamb.

Please don't ask me anymore dire secrets, cause you all will just despise me because of my answers. Remember, I've asked you this.

To The Holiest of Holies, Our God and His Redeemer, Christ,

MichaelCadryHMYou say the sun will be the lake of fire. There is a big problem with this, when a star blows up the fire goes out as all stars that have blown up before. But the lake of fire burns forever, so if the sun "star" blow up how could it then burn forever.

I believe we should be looking it this in a spiritual sense not literal as in the sun being the Lake of Fire and the moon the Great White Thrown. :doh: Hi MC. The Lake of Fire is on earth in revelation otherwise how can the beast and false prophet be thrown alive into it? The Word is the Fire in all of us now and it can burn deeply into the heart mind and soul to bring out the Light of Jesus brighter.
Read and study the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus along with Jeremiah 17 and you will understand the "lake of fire" better.

Jeremiah 17:1 "The sin of Judah written with a pen of iron; With the point of a diamond [it is] engraved On the tablet of their heart, And on the horns of your altars, [i]2 While their children remember Their altars and their wooden images By the green trees on the high hills. 3 O My mountain in the field, I will give as plunder your wealth, all your treasures, [And] your high places of sin within all your borders. 4 And you, even yourself, Shall let go of your heritage which I gave you; And I will cause you to serve your enemies In the land which you do not know; For you have kindled a fire in My anger [which] shall burn forever."

[MichaelCadry]

Dear InChrist,

The lake of fire is not on earth. Do you know of one?? No, it's our sun, whether it explodes or not. It even says in Revelation 20:13, that the sea gave up the dead in her, and death and hell gave up the dead there, and they were ALL judged according to their works. So it is even possible that some of those in hell could be excused and go to heaven, because their sins are not as grievous as the people who sin now.

Got to run.

God Bless Ya and Be With You,

MichaelCadry
:eek:

[Hidden Manna]

Dear InChrist,

The lake of fire is not on earth. Do you know of one?? No, it's our sun, whether it explodes or not. It even says in Revelation 20:13, that the sea gave up the dead in her, and death and hell gave up the dead there, and they were ALL judged according to their works. So it is even possible that some of those in hell could be excused and go to heaven, because their sins are not as grievous as the people who sin now.

Got to run.

God Bless Ya and Be With You,

MichaelCadry
:eek:

The sea represents the gentiles :eek:

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

The sea also means those who died at sea. But you are right, the sea of glass mentioned in the Bible is describing those Gentiles, and Jews, on the face of the earth.

Much Love Your Way,

MichaelCadry

[Vivian]

Hey Michael and all,

Did you know that the production of movies and television is no longer done in Hollywood proper, but in other cities - New York, San Francisco (Lucasfilm is in San Rafael), some in the suburbs of LA 1-2 hours from Hollywood (Burbank studios for example), and various other locations all around the world?

New Zealand has in recent years become a popular movie production locale.

Hollywood has a few historical entertainment landmarks and is typically populated by tourists visiting these landmarks and by children who have run away from abusive homes. There are businesses catering to the tourists, but also philanthropists trying to reach the runaways. Some runaways have been lured into child prostitution, so there is also that element there as well.

Considering that Babylon in the Bible is a metaphor, we can see how this relates to Hollywood. Your astral entities were very astute to point you to this city, or rather idea, Michael, for there are many greater truths that can be discerned with a closer look.

Babylon is a metaphor for what man creates in his pursuit of self – self entertainment, survival, pleasure, vanity - all in direct opposition with seeking God, which requires the denial of self, or the death of ego.

Dead to self. Alive in Christ.

Deny self, pick up your cross, and follow Me.

And is not this idea of Hollywood – creations by man for the pursuit of self – found now in every corner of the globe?

Also interesting given the metaphor you were given is that the world of form was originally created to be a source of Divine Entertainment – where all of God’s Stories would be enacted by His children clothed in separate selfs or identities. In God there is only God, but in His creation are images of Him. So we can say that the original Garden of Eden is True Hollywood, where the stories were acted out in complete remembrance of the Source and giving Him all glory, while fallen Hollywood is where the stories have been contaminated due to the veils over our consciousness and acted out giving man the glory.

This same contamination is seen throughout Biblically recorded history, resulting in the destruction of mankind’s Babylons or Hollywoods – Sodom and Gomorrah, the whole earth with the flood, the tower of Babel, etc.

So we can anticipate that all of humanity’s Hollywoods will be destroyed again in the upcoming conflagration.


vivian

[Hidden Manna]

Mystery Babylon?





Would John have known this woman???

Is she the United Nations??? Rome??? Apostate Christianity??? How do the Scriptures describe her? And does her description fit that of any other in the Bible?

A Harlot

Rev 17:5
. . . and upon her forehead a name was written, a mystery, “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Isaiah 1:21
See how the faithful city [Jerusalem] has become a harlot!

Jeremiah 3:6-10
"Have you seen what faithless Israel has done? She has gone up on every high hill and under every spreading tree and has committed adultery there. I thought that after she had done all this she would return to me but she did not, and her unfaithful sister Judah saw it. I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery. Because Israel’s immorality mattered so little to her, she defiled the land and committed adultery with stone and wood. In spite of all this, her unfaithful sister Judah did not return to me with all her heart, but only in pretense," declares the LORD.



Whose "Lovers" Will Strip Her and Ruin Her

Rev 17:16
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

Ezekiel 16:37-39
therefore I am going to gather all your [Israel's] lovers, with whom you found pleasure, those you loved as well as those you hated. I will gather them against you from all around and will strip you in front of them, and they will see all your nakedness. I will sentence you to the punishment of women who commit adultery and who shed blood; I will bring upon you the blood vengeance of my wrath and jealous anger. Then I will hand you over to your lovers, and they will tear down your mounds and destroy your lofty shrines. They will strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry and leave you naked and bare.



Dressed in Purple and Scarlet and Gold

Rev 17:4 & Rev 18:15
The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries...
'Woe! Woe, O great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!

Exodus 28:1-43
They are to make these sacred garments for your brother Aaron and his sons, so they may serve me as priests. Have them use gold, and blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and fine linen. "Make the ephod of gold, and of blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and of finely twisted linen—the work of a skilled craftsman.

Jeremiah 4:30-31
What are you doing, O devastated one? Why dress yourself in scarlet and put on jewels of gold?
Why shade your eyes with paint? You adorn yourself in vain. Your lovers despise you; they seek your life. I hear a cry as of a woman in labor, a groan as of one bearing her first child - the cry of the Daughter of Zion...



A Great City Who Says She is No Widow


Rev 17:18 & Rev 18:7-8
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth." In her heart she boasts, ‘I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.’ Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

Rev 11:8
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

Lamentations 1:1
How deserted lies the city, once so full of people! How like a widow is she, who once was great among the nations! She who was queen among the provinces has now become a slave.



Drunk With the Blood of the Saints

Rev 17:6 & Rev 18:20&24
I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus... In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth."
Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets!
God has judged her for the way she treated you.’"

Matthew 23:35
And so upon you [Jerusalem] will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth,

Luke 11:50-51
Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

1 Thes 2:14-15
". . . the Jews. Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men."



Desolations

Rev 18:23
"And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived".

Matt 23:38
"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."

Matthew 21:43
"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

Matthew 21:19
"And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, let no fruit grow on thee henceforward forever. And presently the fig tree withered away."

Conclusion

We must use the Bible to interpret the Bible biblically. . . not the political landscape of our world to try to expose Mystery Babylon. We are not to use the "signs of the times", the newspaper, or our favorite prophecy teachers to interpret Bible prophecy.

Jerusalem is only one according to Jesus that is responsible for all of the deaths of all the prophets and all of the apostles and all of the saints. Jesus said God's vengeance would come against that people, in that generation. They would be judged for spilling all the righteous blood shed on earth. In fact, if all the blood of all the prophets was against them (and the office of prophet no longer exists) then the Babylonian Whore of Revelation 18 no longer exists. Why did this have to happen???


"In that He says, A new [covenant], he has made the first [the Old Covenant] old. . . and is ready to vanish away"
Heb 8:13

The Old Covenant System began to vanish away with the sacrifice of Christ and was completely destroyed when Jesus came (in judgment) to destroy the temple as he promised. Because of this, we are now in the Kingdom of God's dear Son . . . never to be shaken or removed (Hebrews 12:28; Col 1:13) ! ! !

[MichaelCadry]

Dearest Vivian,

Great to hear from you again, lady!!!! You never cease to amaze me on how astute you are and how you are always one step ahead. You can see the story well, and that isn't yourself doing it, it is the Lord God that has shown you and made you to understand these things. Congrats!! R in order!!!!

I was on TV again this past Wednesday at 10:30pm, Viv, and although I was extremely nervous, because I had to keep looking at the kitchen timer I brought to time the show, which I had no other choice but to do, it went well enough. I may re-do the show, and just ignore the timer and if I end it abruptly, so be it. It's got to be better than my embarrassing first time. A friend of mine is making me a DVD of the show.

Vivian, you are something else, and when I find someone like you, who is so well informed about things she shouldn't even know about, I cannot keep quiet at all. You are a real treasure who has been visited by the Lord. Please feel free to email me or Private Message me.

God Bless Your Dear Heart,

MichaelCadry
mcadry1@cox.net

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

Hollywood is the woman/harlot/whore told to me by an angel. Must we guess it could be anywhere's else, considering it came from an angel. Babylon used to be in Iraq, or Iran, I believe. But in the NEW U.S., God has deemed it's spiritual sister city to be Hollywood, and I daresay, L.A. It's because she has taught all of the other cities and countries to do wrong things, sins, adultery, wife-swapping, prostitution, gluttony, thievery, depravity, etc. That is all I will say for now. I look forward to your reply to see what you think.

Much Love Coming Your Way,

Michael

[InChristAlways]

Dear Hidden Manna,

Hollywood is the woman/harlot/whore told to me by an angel. Must we guess it could be anywhere's else, considering it came from an angel. Babylon used to be in Iraq, or Iran, I believe. But in the NEW U.S., God has deemed it's spiritual sister city to be Hollywood, and I daresay, L.A. It's because she has taught all of the other cities and countries to do wrong things, sins, adultery, wife-swapping, prostitution, gluttony, thievery, depravity, etc. That is all I will say for now. I look forward to your reply to see what you think.

Much Love Coming Your Way,

MichaelHi MC. Your views are entertaining, but so unbiblical I find it difficult not feel a bit of compassion for you. You need to delve back into the Bible brother and let the Spirit of the Lord guide you into it. I believe the Bible is fulfilled the way I view it, so of course I will differ with you greatly on this.
Let me ask you this. What is the Great Day of the Lord in the bible and in what way was God to be glorified to the "world"? Through the gentiles, or through Israel?
And btw, are you on any kind of medication?

Jeremiah 46:9 Come up, O horses, and rage, O chariots! And let the mighty men come forth: The Ethiopians and the Libyans who handle the shield, And the Lydians who handle [and] bend the bow. 10 For this the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, A day of vengeance, That He may avenge Himself on His adversaries. The sword shall devour; It shall be satiated and made drunk with their blood; For the Lord GOD of hosts has a sacrifice In the north country by the River Euphrates.

ezekiel 39:[i]12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD. 17 " And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field: "Assemble yourselves and come; Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal Which I am sacrificing for you, A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel, That you may eat flesh and drink blood

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

What a response you have given me. I think it is not very nice and so I'm not going to answer it. I wish you were more like Vivian.

MichaelC

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

My profound apologies. That last message was for InChristAlways.

[InChristAlways]

M C Hollywood is the woman/harlot/whore told to me by an angel. Must we guess it could be anywhere's else, considering it came from an angel. Babylon used to be in Iraq, or Iran, I believe. But in the NEW U.S., God has deemed it's spiritual sister city to be Hollywood, and I daresay, L.A. It's because she has taught all of the other cities and countries to do wrong things, sins, adultery, wife-swapping, prostitution, gluttony, thievery, depravity, etc. That is all I will say for now. I look forward to your reply to see what you think.

Dear Hidden Manna,

What a response you have given me. I think it is not very nice and so I'm not going to answer it. I wish you were more like Vivian.

MichaelCHi MC. The Bible is sacred and Holy to me and it depresses me deeply when others tell of "visions" they have seen that have no biblical reality at all. The bible talks about the Great Day of the Lord, the Day God glorifies Himself as in chapt 39 of Ezekiel. Your view is much like how christians see the Vatican or Pope as babylon, or even Iraq. Everything we need to know about prophecy is in the Bible, not in visions or endtime books and sites.
Ask any jew and they will tell you their messiah will accomplish EVERTHING at one time, in one generation, not forgetting they were the Firstborn Nation to receive the oracles of God. But just as the firstborn of Egypt was destroyed to Glorify God's power and might, so was Firstborn Israel destroyed to show His might and power in the first century, leaving a remnant of them for future generations to tell of that Great Biblical event. Study on Ezekiel 37-39 as that is what chapt 19 and 20 of revelation is showing [which is ONE event not 2 serpeate one.]. Physical Israel is symbolically Egypt today and if you read the last curse of Deut 28, you will see why.
The Left Behind books and "dispensationalism" still appear to be taking the place of scripture and reign in most churches.
Just stick with the Bible and read it everyday Reve 11:[i]8 And their dead bodies [will lie] in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. [/size]Jeremiah 46:9 Come up, O horses, and rage, O chariots! And let the mighty men come forth: The Ethiopians and the Libyans who handle the shield, And the Lydians who handle [and] bend the bow. 10 For this the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, A day of vengeance, That He may avenge Himself on His adversaries. The sword shall devour; It shall be satiated and made drunk with their blood; For the Lord GOD of hosts has a sacrifice In the north country by the River Euphrates.

ezekiel 39:[i]12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD. 17 " And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field: "Assemble yourselves and come; Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal Which I am sacrificing for you, A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel, That you may eat flesh and drink blood

reve 19:17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 "that you may eat the flesh of kings,

[Vivian]

M C
Hi MC. The Bible is sacred and Holy to me and it depresses me deeply when others tell of "visions" they have seen that have no biblical reality at all...

Just stick with the Bible and read it everyday [I recommend the new ESV or Rotherham's. Enjoy your walk with Christ and bring His light to others, not doom and gloom "preaching".
“It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied.

for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Although the Bible at one time was an integral part of my journey - and it seems the same for Michael - may I offer you a perspective separate from traditional Christian dogma?

We certainly do not see Jesus nor his disciples relying heavily on scripture in their teachings. There are occasional quotes, but usually their teachings come directly from the heart, from what they know, not from what they have read.

When Jesus quotes scripture he does so to prove that those claiming to follow it did not even understand what had been written. Typically, he taught from his heart directly to the heart of those with ears to hear and eyes to see.

And in the selection of His disciples, we see that Jesus did not particularly value the Biblical scholars.

When Peter recognized the Spirit of Christ in Jesus, Jesus said, bless you for it was nothing of form that told you these things, but direct revelation from the Father.

Contrarily, those who had their minds focused on the written word – the Old Testament scholars of the day, are those who did not recognize the Son of God.

They are the ones who ended up crucifying Him on the cross.


vivian

[MichaelCadry]

Dearest Vivian,

There you go again helping me out. You said it better than I ever could have!!! I can't THANK YOU ENOUGH, VIV!!

Yes I rely on what I've seen and heard from the Lord and His angels and His Servants also, Vivian being one of those servants. I also must admit that I rely on the Bible and Scriptures also. I am sent to those in the streets because those others who I declared a wedding feast to would not accept the invitation or become in attendance. So, I go to the homeless and seemingly hopeless and share the Great message that Jesus is Returning. It is a happy message, not just doom and gloom. I'm sorry that we have to go through tribulation before His return, but I did not make up the game plan, so I do my best.

Chat with you again soon Vivian, and Hidden Manna.

MichaelCadry
:eek:

[Hidden Manna]

Dear Hidden Manna,

My profound apologies. That last message was for InChristAlways.

Apologies accepted but I totally agree with ICA. Sorry if I offend you but you seem to be way off balance concerning what the truth in and how to present it. :eek:

[Hidden Manna]

Dearest Vivian,

There you go again helping me out. You said it better than I ever could have!!! I can't THANK YOU ENOUGH, VIV!!

Yes I rely on what I've seen and heard from the Lord and His angels and His Servants also, Vivian being one of those servants. I also must admit that I rely on the Bible and Scriptures also. I am sent to those in the streets because those others who I declared a wedding feast to would not accept the invitation or become in attendance. So, I go to the homeless and seemingly hopeless and share the Great message that Jesus is Returning. It is a happy message, not just doom and gloom. I'm sorry that we have to go through tribulation before His return, but I did not make up the game plan, so I do my best.

Chat with you again soon Vivian, and Hidden Manna.

MichaelCadry
:eek:

Your way off, the marriage supper of the Lamb ocurred in AD 70 when Jesus came in power and glory and did what He said He would do to the temple and city just after the great tribulation ocurred. :tongue:

[Vivian]

Your way off, the marriage supper of the Lamb ocurred in AD 70 when Jesus came in power and glory and did what He said He would do to the temple and city just after the great tribulation ocurred. :tongue:

The marriage feast occurs each time a lost soul enters into the Kingdom of Heaven.


vivian

[MichaelCadry]

You're wrong, Hidden Manna. The marriage of the Lamb to a white earth is in the near future, when the earth has made herself white and sinless. You shall find this out when He is ready, mark my words.


MichaelCadry

[Hidden Manna]

You're wrong, Hidden Manna. The marriage of the Lamb to a white earth is in the near future, when the earth has made herself white and sinless. You shall find this out when He is ready, mark my words.


MichaelCadry

I will MichaelCadry mark your words and you shall give an account to them someday as being false before the God that you are waiting for that is not yet with you. You will answer to Him as to why you did not believe that He has come and has being tabernacling with man since AD 70.

If you do not change what you believe and have faith in you shall give an account as being a false prophet because all prophecies have ceased since the perfect has come. God presence is with us now is no longer separates Himself in a cloud from us, open your eyes and you will see Him in the heart of true believers who have faith and believe this.

The Glory of the New Covenant

Jesus said that His kingdom would come without observation. (Luke 17:20-21) Paul said in II Cor 4:

We do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen, are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

In that day the old covenant was being left behind for the glory of the new. The old covenant dealt with things that were seen. It is filled with types and shadows that were physical representations of the spiritual realities of the new covenant. For example, every blessing in the OC was material or temporal. Then we see Paul saying that through Christ we are blessed with every spiritual blessing (Eph 1:3).

The problem we have today is that the same thinking that caused so many of the Jews to miss the Messiah is still around today. They were expecting the messiah to bring a visible OC type kingdom. in other words, more of the same, only bigger and better. Likewise, today we still have people expecting a really big cubic city to drop down out of the sky someday.

There were physical signs when the kingdom of God came in power namely the destruction of the Jerusalem and the temple. Now, we must assume that this unseen kingdom is here in fullness. The question is what do we expect it to look like?

Some would expect that a lot of really exciting stuff should happen. Really “wow” kind of things like miracles and the like. However, we must remember that the New Testament miracles were the sign that the kingdom was near. Remember in the day of Moses, the greatest miracles happened not in the Promised Land but in the wilderness time, in other words, during the transitional period between Egypt and the Promised Land. Yet, things like manna from the sky, the cloud by day, and the pillar of fire by night, and miraculous provisions of water all ceased when they entered into the Promised Land. Yes, there were still miracles in the land, but not of the same intensity we see in the wilderness period.

Certainly there is an application for the covenantal exodus we see in the New Testament. Remember we see the immature church during this time. The question is what should the mature church in a fully consummated kingdom look like and experience?

Others think that the kingdom should bring perfection. No more bad guys. No more sin. No more problems. Utopia. Yet, is a perfect world ever promised by God? Yes, Jesus put away sin, but we never see in the scriptures that this means we will stop sinning. Rather it means that sin has lost its power to keep us from God’s presence. Moreover, is a trouble free world really the best thing for us?

Of this we can be certain, at the heart of the kingdom of God is restoration of relationship between God and humanity. Even Jesus’ miracles speak of this fact. Every one of them spoke of restoration and forgiveness. He healed those whom the Law had shut out. The outcasts even the gentiles. It is important for us to understand that Jesus did wonderful miracles, but is it just as important to understand what those miracles were saying. So, in a fully consummated kingdom we know that we have God and He has us.

This was the heart of the maturity the church was attaining to in the transitional period. They were seeing dimly, but would see face to face. We see this also in John’s writings. What is the earmark of the father (mature one I John 2:12-14) in Christ? He knows the Father.

I believe this simple truth helps us understand what to expect of the kingdom in our lives. Very simply the outward demonstration of the kingdom is love. That is where we end up. This is the proof that we know God.

When the Lord replaced the righteousness of man with the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, he removed every obstacle to love’s fullness. Perfect love had cast out fear in humanity’s relationship with God.

However, that was only the half of it. By giving the worth of Christ to all, He took away every obstacle that kept us from loving our neighbor. How can we hate our neighbor when hating him has become hating Christ?

Now, here is a philosophical question. Can love find its full glory in a perfect world? If everybody is lovable, what glory is there in loving? As Jesus said, even the sinners love those who love them. It is a good thing to love those who love us, but is an even greater power and demonstration of the kingdom found in loving our enemies? What do you all think?

[InChristAlways]

I will MichaelCadry mark your words and you shall give an account to them someday as being false before the God that you are waiting for that is not yet with you. You will answer to Him as to why you did not believe that He has come and has being tabernacling with man since AD 70.

If you do not change what you believe and have faith in you shall give an account as being a false prophet because all prophecies have ceased since the perfect has come. God presence is with us now is no longer separates Himself in a cloud from us, open your eyes and you will see Him in the heart of true believers who have faith and believe this.

The Glory of the New Covenant

Jesus said that His kingdom would come without observation. (Luke 17:20-21) Paul said in II Cor 4:

We do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen, are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

In that day the old covenant was being left behind for the glory of the new. The old covenant dealt with things that were seen. It is filled with types and shadows that were physical representations of the spiritual realities of the new covenant. For example, every blessing in the OC was material or temporal. Then we see Paul saying that through Christ we are blessed with every spiritual blessing (Eph 1:3).

The problem we have today is that the same thinking that caused so many of the Jews to miss the Messiah is still around today. They were expecting the messiah to bring a visible OC type kingdom. in other words, more of the same, only bigger and better. Likewise, today we still have people expecting a really big cubic city to drop down out of the sky someday.

There were physical signs when the kingdom of God came in power namely the destruction of the Jerusalem and the temple. Now, we must assume that this unseen kingdom is here in fullness. The question is what do we expect it to look like?

Some would expect that a lot of really exciting stuff should happen. Really “wow” kind of things like miracles and the like. However, we must remember that the New Testament miracles were the sign that the kingdom was near. Remember in the day of Moses, the greatest miracles happened not in the Promised Land but in the wilderness time, in other words, during the transitional period between Egypt and the Promised Land. Yet, things like manna from the sky, the cloud by day, and the pillar of fire by night, and miraculous provisions of water all ceased when they entered into the Promised Land. Yes, there were still miracles in the land, but not of the same intensity we see in the wilderness period.

Certainly there is an application for the covenantal exodus we see in the New Testament. Remember we see the immature church during this time. The question is what should the mature church in a fully consummated kingdom look like and experience?

Others think that the kingdom should bring perfection. No more bad guys. No more sin. No more problems. Utopia. Yet, is a perfect world ever promised by God? Yes, Jesus put away sin, but we never see in the scriptures that this means we will stop sinning. Rather it means that sin has lost its power to keep us from God’s presence. Moreover, is a trouble free world really the best thing for us?

Of this we can be certain, at the heart of the kingdom of God is restoration of relationship between God and humanity. Even Jesus’ miracles speak of this fact. Every one of them spoke of restoration and forgiveness. He healed those whom the Law had shut out. The outcasts even the gentiles. It is important for us to understand that Jesus did wonderful miracles, but is it just as important to understand what those miracles were saying. So, in a fully consummated kingdom we know that we have God and He has us.

This was the heart of the maturity the church was attaining to in the transitional period. They were seeing dimly, but would see face to face. We see this also in John’s writings. What is the earmark of the father (mature one I John 2:12-14) in Christ? He knows the Father.

I believe this simple truth helps us understand what to expect of the kingdom in our lives. Very simply the outward demonstration of the kingdom is love. That is where we end up. This is the proof that we know God.

When the Lord replaced the righteousness of man with the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, he removed every obstacle to love’s fullness. Perfect love had cast out fear in humanity’s relationship with God.

However, that was only the half of it. By giving the worth of Christ to all, He took away every obstacle that kept us from loving our neighbor. How can we hate our neighbor when hating him has become hating Christ?

Now, here is a philosophical question. Can love find its full glory in a perfect world? If everybody is lovable, what glory is there in loving? As Jesus said, even the sinners love those who love them. It is a good thing to love those who love us, but is an even greater power and demonstration of the kingdom found in loving our enemies? What do you all think?Good post HM. The difference between a carnal christians and spiritual christian.
I would also like to ask who the house of Israel is burying in Ezekiel 39 the Day God Glorifies Himself to the World. I have a feeling they are the same ones being cursed by God in Malachi, the house of Judah, Jerusalem. It is the same exact event as revelation 19. I wonder how many actually study the OT scriptures and compare them to revelation, as it is not too hard to see that it is the bringing of both nations of Judah and Israel together under One King. How about genesis 49, the sceptre of Judah being Jesus Christ Himself.
Oh, the wonders of God's Words!!!:wink:

Malachi 2:1 "And now, O priests, this commandment is for you. 2 If you will not hear, And if you will not take to heart, To give glory to My name," Says the LORD of hosts, "I will send a curse upon you, And I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have cursed them already, Because you do not take to heart. 3 "Behold, I will rebuke your descendants And spread refuse on your faces, The refuse of your solemn feasts; And [one] will take you away with it.

Ezekiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am Glorified," says the Lord GOD.[i] [i]11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know [them,] because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is [rightly] judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

[MichaelCadry]

Isn't it said by an angel, 'Thus as you see Christ leaving, so you shall see him arrive again.' And if any man will tell you Christ is here or Christ is there, do not believe him, for as lightning shineth from the east to the west, SO SHALL the Coming of the Son of Man be.

You both think you know things, but you know less. Yes, Jesus will come at a time when you don't expect Him, especially if you all keep on thinking the way that you do. You'll be surprised, that's for SURE.


May God's Love and Light Awaken Everyone Soon,
MichaelCadry

[InChristAlways]

M CHollywood is the woman/harlot/whore told to me by an angel. Must we guess it could be anywhere's else, considering it came from an angel. Babylon used to be in Iraq, or Iran, I believe. But in the NEW U.S., God has deemed it's spiritual sister city to be Hollywood, and I daresay, L.A. It's because she has taught all of the other cities and countries to do wrong things, sins, adultery, wife-swapping, prostitution, gluttony, thievery, depravity, etc. That is all I will say for now. I look forward to your reply to see what you think.


Isn't it said by an angel, 'Thus as you see Christ leaving, so you shall see him arrive again.' And if any man will tell you Christ is here or Christ is there, do not believe him, for as lightning shineth from the east to the west, SO SHALL the Coming of the Son of Man be.

You both think you know things, but you know less. Yes, Jesus will come at a time when you don't expect Him, especially if you all keep on thinking the way that you do. You'll be surprised, that's for SURE.


May God's Love and Light Awaken Everyone Soon,
MichaelCadryHI MC.Hollywood as "Babylon"??

Jesus already came to me and revealed Himself inside me, as I assume He will also reveal Himself to others unto the ages of ages, so I won't believe anyone that says He is here, there or somewhere.
Isn't the most important thing right now to live for Christ and to shine His Light unto others, so they may see the image of Christ through us and wonder why we appear to be at peace, joy and loving? If you want to "strain" your neck at the sky everyday, I suppose that is ok. God bless.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those [who are] Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear InChrist,

Whether or not Jesus came into your heart and you accepted Him as your savior is up to you. But Jesus revealing Himself to All a One Time, now that's different story and it will happen.

If you were ever on PalTalk, you can see that I have joy, humour and alot of things inside.

God Bless You,
Michael C

[InChristAlways]

Dear InChrist,

Whether or not Jesus came into your heart and you accepted Him as your savior is up to you. But Jesus revealing Himself to All a One Time, now that's different story and it will happen.

If you were ever on PalTalk, you can see that I have joy, humour and alot of things inside.

God Bless You,
Michael CHI MC. Why not post in the eschatology forum instead, as that is where most "futurists" post. I use this because I am a "full preterist" and believe the bible is biblically fulfilled {"unorthodox" according to the intepretation of the mainline church "Creeds"}
Anyway, you and I differ greatly with respect to revelation but if you ever want to discuss it, I do post on a revelation only forum and I would love to have your input on it. I use only SCRIPTURE, and very little interpretion. Are you a dispensationalist futurist by any chance[that is an unbiblical doctrine in my view]? Just wondering. God bless.

http://newjerusalemministriesboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=82

Luke 21:22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

[Krusader]

I will MichaelCadry mark your words and you shall give an account to them someday as being false before the God that you are waiting for that is not yet with you. You will answer to Him as to why you did not believe that He has come and has being tabernacling with man since AD 70.

If you do not change what you believe and have faith in you shall give an account as being a false prophet because all prophecies have ceased since the perfect has come. God presence is with us now is no longer separates Himself in a cloud from us, open your eyes and you will see Him in the heart of true believers who have faith and believe this.

The Glory of the New Covenant

Jesus said that His kingdom would come without observation. (Luke 17:20-21) Paul said in II Cor 4:

We do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen, are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

In that day the old covenant was being left behind for the glory of the new. The old covenant dealt with things that were seen. It is filled with types and shadows that were physical representations of the spiritual realities of the new covenant. For example, every blessing in the OC was material or temporal. Then we see Paul saying that through Christ we are blessed with every spiritual blessing (Eph 1:3).

The problem we have today is that the same thinking that caused so many of the Jews to miss the Messiah is still around today. They were expecting the messiah to bring a visible OC type kingdom. in other words, more of the same, only bigger and better. Likewise, today we still have people expecting a really big cubic city to drop down out of the sky someday.

There were physical signs when the kingdom of God came in power namely the destruction of the Jerusalem and the temple. Now, we must assume that this unseen kingdom is here in fullness. The question is what do we expect it to look like?

Some would expect that a lot of really exciting stuff should happen. Really “wow” kind of things like miracles and the like. However, we must remember that the New Testament miracles were the sign that the kingdom was near. Remember in the day of Moses, the greatest miracles happened not in the Promised Land but in the wilderness time, in other words, during the transitional period between Egypt and the Promised Land. Yet, things like manna from the sky, the cloud by day, and the pillar of fire by night, and miraculous provisions of water all ceased when they entered into the Promised Land. Yes, there were still miracles in the land, but not of the same intensity we see in the wilderness period.

Certainly there is an application for the covenantal exodus we see in the New Testament. Remember we see the immature church during this time. The question is what should the mature church in a fully consummated kingdom look like and experience?

Others think that the kingdom should bring perfection. No more bad guys. No more sin. No more problems. Utopia. Yet, is a perfect world ever promised by God? Yes, Jesus put away sin, but we never see in the scriptures that this means we will stop sinning. Rather it means that sin has lost its power to keep us from God’s presence. Moreover, is a trouble free world really the best thing for us?

Of this we can be certain, at the heart of the kingdom of God is restoration of relationship between God and humanity. Even Jesus’ miracles speak of this fact. Every one of them spoke of restoration and forgiveness. He healed those whom the Law had shut out. The outcasts even the gentiles. It is important for us to understand that Jesus did wonderful miracles, but is it just as important to understand what those miracles were saying. So, in a fully consummated kingdom we know that we have God and He has us.

This was the heart of the maturity the church was attaining to in the transitional period. They were seeing dimly, but would see face to face. We see this also in John’s writings. What is the earmark of the father (mature one I John 2:12-14) in Christ? He knows the Father.

I believe this simple truth helps us understand what to expect of the kingdom in our lives. Very simply the outward demonstration of the kingdom is love. That is where we end up. This is the proof that we know God.

When the Lord replaced the righteousness of man with the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, he removed every obstacle to love’s fullness. Perfect love had cast out fear in humanity’s relationship with God.

However, that was only the half of it. By giving the worth of Christ to all, He took away every obstacle that kept us from loving our neighbor. How can we hate our neighbor when hating him has become hating Christ?

Now, here is a philosophical question. Can love find its full glory in a perfect world? If everybody is lovable, what glory is there in loving? As Jesus said, even the sinners love those who love them. It is a good thing to love those who love us, but is an even greater power and demonstration of the kingdom found in loving our enemies? What do you all think?

I think you're being a little hard on Michael here. He might just as well say you are a false prophet for saying Jesus returned in 70 AD. In fact, most Christians would agree with him if he so said.

[InChristAlways]

I think you're being a little hard on Michael here. He might just as well say you are a false prophet for saying Jesus returned in 70 AD. In fact, most Christians would agree with him if he so said.Hi Crusader. How can we be a false prophet when we believe what Jesus said here?
Anyway, it is not the Creeds that judge us but God, and I really don't believe He will chatize Hidden Manna or myself for believing what His Son said in Luke. He didn't say "some", or a few things, but ALL THINGS WRITTEN. I even checked a multitude of translations to make sure it was correct.:wink: God bless.

Makes you wonder what those "resurrections" are about in revelation.:eek:

Luke 21:22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Reve 14:19 So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

[i]Isaiah 5:7 For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts [is] the house of Israel, And the men of Judah are His pleasant plant. He looked for justice, but behold, oppression; For righteousness, but behold, a cry [for help.]

[Krusader]

Hi Crusader. How can we be a false prophet when we believe what Jesus said here?
Anyway, it is not the Creeds that judge us but God, and I really don't believe He will chatize Hidden Manna or myself for believing what His Son said in Luke. He didn't say "some", or a few things, but ALL THINGS WRITTEN. I even checked a multitude of translations to make sure it was correct.:wink: God bless.

Makes you wonder what those "resurrections" are about in revelation.:eek:

Luke 21:22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Reve 14:19 So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

[i]Isaiah 5:7 For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts [is] the house of Israel, And the men of Judah are His pleasant plant. He looked for justice, but behold, oppression; For righteousness, but behold, a cry [for help.]

ICA, you need to consider where some of this stuff is coming from. Reread all of Michael's posts to date.

[InChristAlways]

ICA, you need to consider where some of this stuff is coming from. Reread all of Michael's posts to date.Hi Crusader. Yep, from visions and influences from endtime books and movies most likely.

Hollywood is the woman/harlot/whore told to me by an angel. Must we guess it could be anywhere's else, considering it came from an angel. Babylon used to be in Iraq, or Iran, I believe. But in the NEW U.S., God has deemed it's spiritual sister city to be Hollywood, and I daresay, L.A. It's because she has taught all of the other cities and countries to do wrong things, sins, adultery, wife-swapping, prostitution, gluttony, thievery, depravity, etc. That is all I will say for now. I look forward to your reply to see what you think.

That is what happens when a person doesn't see the bible as fulfilled, so when someone comes out with a vision, one wonders if that person has truly read and studied the Bible or read to many endtime prohecy books. I meant to ask him how many times he has read the Bible thru. So MC, how many times have you read the Bible through or how often do you read it? God bless.

[Hidden Manna]

I think you're being a little hard on Michael here. He might just as well say you are a false prophet for saying Jesus returned in 70 AD. In fact, most Christians would agree with him if he so said.

If you think I am to hard on him it was just Jesus speaking through me so blame Him. My life is hidden in Him and I died with Him at the cross, so it was not me in a way that I hope you understand.

And as far as anyone calling me a false prophet that would not bother me in the least. For one thing apostles, prophet, teachers and pastors do not exist in God's eyes any more, therefore I would never say that I am a prophet.

Since AD 70 the perfect has come and old things have passed away and no more do we need to teach others to know the Lord. Every time we encounter a brother or sister in Christ we are getting to know the Lord through them because Christ is in them. We now have something much greater than what the first century Christian had and have ne need for the five fold ministry.

Anyone who claims to be a prophet or otherwise is doing so from the lake of fire that burns forever in the spirit realm if they are not of the prophets before AD 70 that were resurrected and become manifested sons of God.

[MichaelCadry]

I can't get into all of this. I'm sorry. Maybe later when I have more time. I'm doing my best to keep up with you all, and I believe my answers are cohesive, but you just keep missing the point.

If there were to NOT be anymore prophets, then why does it say in Revelation 11 that two witnesses shall come in the latter days and prophecy. Also why does it say that in the latter days, God shall pour out His Spirit upon the sons and daughters of men, and they shall prophecy???????????????

Secondly, why does the Lord God say that in the future after Armaggeddon, a man shall be able to lie down beneath a tree and not be worried about being attacked by another man or animal. Why does it also say that the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord. Isn't that utopia???

Thirdly, God also says that after all of these things He has done, we will know why He did them because the earth shall be beautiful to live on again. If there was once a garden of Eden, or utopia, who are you so say that God can not do it again as an result of what He does in the earth.

Listen, I can keep answering questions forever, but evidently you read the Bible with your own interpretation, not the Lord's. It doesn't matter how often you read the whole Bible. What matters is what parts of it God has given you HIS OWN interpretation of, so you can share it with others as He wishes you to. I've read most of the Bible, but not all. But I know it quite well, thank you. These messages are for In Christ Always, NOT Hidden Manna. Hidden Manna, thank you for helping me out there while my accuser goes unaswered for a few days. God Bless You Both!

Thanks for your replies and your interest. I will keep trying to answer your questions, but listen with your heart to my answers, so I don't have to keep hearing the same questions from you, ICA.

May HIS Interpretations Be In Your Heart, Not Your OWN,

MichaelCadry

[InChristAlways]

I've read most of the Bible, but not all. But I know it quite well, thank you. These messages are for In Christ Always, NOT Hidden Manna. Hidden Manna, thank you for helping me out there while my accuser goes unaswered for a few days. God Bless You Both!Hi MC. I like to feel I know the Bible as well because I have read thru it about a dozen times the past 2 years and read it everyday.

I came to the view of full fillment the 2nd time I read it thru so I devote a lot of time with revelation and if you notice, most partial preterist believe revelation is the destruction of Jerusalem but can't explain those "resurrections", as one can't believe in one and not the other, right?

Full "futurists"/zionists dispensationalists on the other hand think revelation is all future, but instead of looking at it biblically, they have to go to worldwide "news sources" to see when the "end" is coming, always hoping something drastic will happen to bring Christ back "quicker".

We are both stuck here in the unorthodox forum because of beliefs that are not "orthodox", otherwise I would be posting in the eschatology forum.

For example, who are these with the angels of wrath in chapt 15? When it says they have "victory" over the beast does that mean they have died or are alive and safe somewhere? If they are saints that have died, then that would have to be the first resurrection to be up there, correct? What is the difference between those that were victorious over the beast in chapt 15 and those that had not worshipped the beast in chapt 20?
Those 2 witnesses could be the 144000 firstfruits that God had to wait on to die before He could resurrect them? And how can the beast and false prophet be thrown "ALIVE" into the lake of fire since they hadn't been JUDGED yet, correct?
I would be glad to discuss revelation with you "biblically" especially ezekiel 39 and revelation chapt 19, the Day God Glorifies Himself.
http://newjerusalemministriesboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=82

reve 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both [the number of] their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they [were,] was completed.

reve 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received [his] mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Revelation 15:1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete. 2 And I saw [something] like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark [and] over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God. 3

[MichaelCadry]

Dear ICA,

You are so confused and mixed up in the things you believe and have attested to because you read the Bible with your interpretation of it. You are blind to the real actual truth, and I'm not gonna be the one to sort out all of your errant beliefs and explain to you why they are in error and what the interpretation of them actually is. It would be a full time job that would last many years.

I would prefer to help a group of people become unconfused rather than try to share with one at a time when you prob. won't believe me after I illuminate your beliefs. I'm not going to be a one-on-one teacher. I have made aware the things that I have had happen to me and my testimony is pure, and truthful. If you feel otherwise, go ahead. You are like talking to a brick wall, with straw and mud that falls apart.

God Help You and Bless You,

MichaelC

[InChristAlways]

Dear ICA,

You are so confused and mixed up in the things you believe and have attested to because you read the Bible with your interpretation of it. You are blind to the real actual truth, and I'm not gonna be the one to sort out all of your errant beliefs and explain to you why they are in error and what the interpretation of them actually is. It would be a full time job that would last many years.

I would prefer to help a group of people become unconfused rather than try to share with one at a time when you prob. won't believe me after I illuminate your beliefs. I'm not going to be a one-on-one teacher. I have made aware the things that I have had happen to me and my testimony is pure, and truthful. If you feel otherwise, go ahead. You are like talking to a brick wall, with straw and mud that falls apart.

God Help You and Bless You,

MichaelCHi MC. Straw and Mud? I just have to pop in once in awhile to make sure people are quoting and getting their beliefs from the Bible itself, not from dreams or visions. That is what got the catholic church and also the false doctrine of dipsensationalism started.
But like many of the other 1000's of doctrines and beliefs, ours are but 2 in the multitudes, but I make sure and compare what others say to Scripture first so I keep the passages of Paul handy below:wink: .
BTW, what is your view of patial preterism compared to full preterism or futurism considering the verse of Luke 21:22? God bless.

Tim 4 :3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

1 Tim 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

[Hidden Manna]

Dear ICA,

You are so confused and mixed up in the things you believe and have attested to because you read the Bible with your interpretation of it. You are blind to the real actual truth, and I'm not gonna be the one to sort out all of your errant beliefs and explain to you why they are in error and what the interpretation of them actually is. It would be a full time job that would last many years.

I would prefer to help a group of people become unconfused rather than try to share with one at a time when you prob. won't believe me after I illuminate your beliefs. I'm not going to be a one-on-one teacher. I have made aware the things that I have had happen to me and my testimony is pure, and truthful. If you feel otherwise, go ahead. You are like talking to a brick wall, with straw and mud that falls apart.

God Help You and Bless You,

MichaelC

Okay MichaelCadry, all I have seen from you is that you claim to be one of the two witnesses of Rev.11 and that the sun is the lake of fire and the moon is the Great White thrown. Other then that all I see is you bad mouthing God's people who disagree with you as they should be.

I find you very entertaining to say the least. Whats next, I can handle it because I was once a futurist myself so I understand why you are so far off, but it does makes me laugh to be honest with you.

God HELP YOU and God bless :eek:

P.S. I was just wandering, does your Church and family know where you stand in all this and if they do, do they support you? If not did you ever wander why and that you could be very mistaken.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

I'm not trying to bad-mouth any other Christians, but when you say that Armaggedon happened in 70 A.D., as ICA claims, I can't help but feel like I should be talking with other people about it instead.

My family and my church are supportive and they all have a wait-and-see attitude as to what the near future will bring, but we do know that Jesus is returning very soon. Thanks for asking.

Am glad you find me amusing. Some day though, you may not laugh quite so quickly because of all of the havoc that will happen in the earth. But at least you will remember my testimony, I hope, and that shall help pave the road for His return, and you will know it's best to help those around you through their trials, to give an encouraging word to make someone else's heart stronger or to cast away doubts other friends of yours might have.

God's Best To You,

MichaelCadry

[InChristAlways]

Dear Hidden Manna,

I'm not trying to bad-mouth any other Christians, but when you say that Armaggedon happened in 70 A.D., as ICA claims, I can't help but feel like I should be talking with other people about it instead.
HI MC. You spoke of Hollywood being the babylon/armegeddon of revelation. Hollywood is the woman/harlot/whore told to me by an angel. Must we guess it could be anywhere's else, considering it came from an angel. Babylon used to be in Iraq, or Iran, I believe. But in the NEW U.S., God has deemed it's spiritual sister city to be Hollywood, and I daresay, L.A. It's because she has taught all of the other cities and countries to do wrong things, sins, adultery, wife-swapping, prostitution, gluttony, thievery, depravity, etc. That is all I will say for now. I look forward to your reply to see what you think.

Trust me, there are worst sinfull cities in the world that would make Hollywood look like an angel in comparison, but unfortunately for Jerusalem, they happened to be God's firstborn nation and He expected more out of them, but we can see that did not happened, which also was prohecied.

I am not saying a big earthquake or title wave won't hit Hollywood or California, but it won't be the Day of the Lord in the Bible I don't think.

If you look at the Bible thru "jewish" eyes, you will see that the Day of the Lord happens on the mountains of Israel, not the mountains of Hollywood. Ezekiel 39 and revelation 19 are the same event and that is when the new "heaven and earth" form as in Isaiah 66.
Just take out the "1000yr" period like it wasn't even there, and it will open up to ya I think. I just happen to trust Scripture more than man's visions and interpretations right now and I do love reading it. Peace and Love to you.

Matt 23:38 "See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 "for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, 'Blessed [is] He who comes in the name of the LORD!'

Ezekiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD.17 " And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field: "Assemble yourselves and come; Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal Which I am sacrificing for you, A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel, That you may eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You shall eat the flesh of the mighty,

Isaiah 66:22 " For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the LORD, "So shall your descendants and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass [That] from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the LORD. 24 "And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."


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[Hidden Manna]

Dear Hidden Manna,

I'm not trying to bad-mouth any other Christians, but when you say that Armaggedon happened in 70 A.D., as ICA claims, I can't help but feel like I should be talking with other people about it instead.

My family and my church are supportive and they all have a wait-and-see attitude as to what the near future will bring, but we do know that Jesus is returning very soon. Thanks for asking.

Am glad you find me amusing. Some day though, you may not laugh quite so quickly because of all of the havoc that will happen in the earth. But at least you will remember my testimony, I hope, and that shall help pave the road for His return, and you will know it's best to help those around you through their trials, to give an encouraging word to make someone else's heart stronger or to cast away doubts other friends of yours might have.

God's Best To You,

MichaelCadry

How to tell a False Prophet

I can live with getting ostracized for believing what Jesus and the apostles believed. (Matthew 24:34) But I cannot live with Jesus being called a false prophet because of the traditions of men and the misunderstanding of the church today. Because of the (New futurist ) view Jesus has been made into a false prophet. The secular media and unbelievers (who are always looking for an excuse to call Jesus a false prophet) are further discrediting Christianity because of the futuristic view.

They are not dumb people some know scripture better then some Christians. They know Jesus promised to return in that generation, and they know the first century saints looked for his return in that generation. (Titus 2:13) They also know about another verse in the Old Testament that a lot of Christians today do not.

I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, “How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’ when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. Deuteronomy 18:18-22

What is it about these verses that don’t agree with the traditional interpretation of the timing of prophecy. God said in these inspired verses if a prophet sets a time for something to happen, and that thing did not occur at the time, it was predicted, what would this mean? Well simply put that prophet was false and speaking presumptuously; and was not sent by God verse 22. The unbelievers know this concept is in the Bible as will. Jesus is NOT a false and he did keep his words.

Paul also tell us that the Prophet God talks about he would send in Deuteronomy 18:18 was Jesus. For Moses truly said to the fathers, “The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ (Acts 3:22-23)

If Jesus was that Prophet sent by God and speaking of God he had to keep his time words or time statements 100% or be called a false prophet. The good new is Jesus is NOT a false prophet and kept his word to that generation. Deuteronomy 18:18-22 has been a big problem for those who don’t believe Jesus’ words. But it is not a problem for those who are looking for an excuse to further discredit Christianity.

When we shown Christians this problem that makes Jesus into a false prophet. They run and retreat to this verse as to say God did NOT mean what he said in (Deuteronomy 18:18-22)

In II Peter 3:8 we find the statement about “one day being as a thousand years,” etc. (But please note the verse does not say one day IS a thousand years with the Lord. In verse 9 we find a “forgotten statement:” “The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some count slowness” (NASV). The word translated “slow” (Greek “braduno”) means just that. Compare Paul’s usage of the term in I Timothy 3:15. Peter’s point is that if God sets a time for fulfillment he fulfills on time! He is not slow; God can tell time and knows how to communicate with man, uses (time statements) that man can understand and keep his promises on time! This verse asserts in no uncertain terms that God is a God who keeps his promises!

Peter defended the promises of God and the timing there of against the scoffers of his day. (They taunted Christians, saying,) ‘Were is the promise of His coming?” (2 Peter 3:4a) Peter says they willfully forgot that God promised to destroy the world of Noah’s day, and He did it! It is a juncture that Peter uses the verse we are considering.

See the context? He is defending the truth of God’s word, especially the promises, against those who jeer and mock God’s faithfulness. Peter ministers to the household of faith as he strengthens them. He does not tear down the promises of God he defended the promises of God. He does not go against (Deuteronomy 18:18-22).

He says, if God promises to do a certain thing in a day, the promise is sure, and it will come on time. If God promises to do a certain thing in a thousand years, the promise is sure, and it will come on time.

Thus the scoffers rejected the message of God’s prophets, time and again. Second, note that the scoffers’ question was based on God’s long delay (2 Peter 3:3-4) The scoffers were telling Peter to look back at 40 years of delay! Where is this judgment God promised?” Their argument made some sense.

They based their question on the fast that for 4,000 years-since the beginning of creation-life had been going on pretty much the same, with on intervention from heaven even after Jesus said upon that generation would come all the righteous blood shed on the earth. (Matthew 23:34-36)

Side note this (word genetation) is the identical Greek word “genea,” which means, “ the period or the persons. This word has the same meaning as the word “generation” found in Luke 11:50-51, that the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of THIS GENERATION; from the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zechariah which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, it shall be required of “THIS GENERATION.”

Third, Note that Peter’s response to these scoffers discusses millenniums of time. Peter replied that indeed the Lord had delayed judgment for centuries, but now the time was up. There would be no more delay. This generation would choose either to repent or to perish. In a study of this context and time statements we see all the disciples believe this way.

1.) Romans 13:12--Paul said “the day is at hand.”
2.) Romans 16:20--Paul said God “will bruise Satan under your feet shortly.”
3.) I Corinthians 7:28-31--Paul said “the fashion of this world is passing away,” and “the time is short.”
4.) I Timothy 6:14--Paul told Timothy to live faithfully “until the appearing of our Lord.”
5.) James 5:7-9--James urged his readers to be faithful “until the coming of the Lord;” he says “The coming of the Lord is at hand:” and “The judge is standing right at the door.”
6.) I Peter 4:5,7,17--Peter said Jesus was then “ready to judge the living and the dead;” “the end of all things is at hand;” and “the time is come for the judgment to begin at the house of God.”
7.) I John 2:15-18--John said the world was passing away and “it is the last hour.”
8.) Revelation—this book says no less than ten times that its predictions “must shortly come to pass,” were “at hand,” were to happen “quickly,” there would be “no more delay,” etc, etc.
Ever one of these men believed the (time was at hand) and there would be no more delay.

Now my next question, where in the Now Testament does any of the disciples or Jesus said God did not mean what he said in (Deuteronomy 18:18-22) ? In Matthew 10:23--Jesus said he would return in the lifetime of his disciples. When is the scripture that says God changed his mind about Deuteronomy 18:18-22 in the New Testament?

Where are the scripture for these things. Notice in Acts 3:23 what Peter says. And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ Those scoffers who tried to make the argument the Jesus was delaying his return in judgment were indeed destroyed from among the people in A.D 70 just the inspired Peter said.

(Ezekiel 12:22-28) Son of man, what is that proverb that ye have in the land of Israel, saying, The days are prolonged, and every vision faileth? {23} Tell them therefore, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will make this proverb to cease, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel; but say unto them, The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision. {24} For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel. {25} For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD. {26} Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, {27} Son of man, behold, they of the house of Israel say, The vision that he seeth is for many days to come, and he prophesieth of the times that are far off. {28} Therefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; There shall none of my words be prolonged any more, but the word which I have spoken shall be done, saith the Lord GOD.

When God uses time statements to men, He means them.


I will be looking forward to your answers to my question about (Deuteronomy 18:18-22) and the new (testament time statements).

[MichaelCadry]

Dear All,

What I will say is let us let time's passing show which things to be truth and which things are not. Fair enough? Much of the scriptures which you write about are being taken out of context and they refer to the end times, which is now. If Jesus came in 70 A.D., did we just miss Him or what?? Also Hollywood is the city that was told to me, and I stick by it. Again, let time's passing prove what is true!! Boy, won't you be surprised!!

God's Best to You,

MichaelCadry

[Hidden Manna]

Dear All,

What I will say is let us let time's passing show which things to be truth and which things are not. Fair enough? Much of the scriptures which you write about are being taken out of context and they refer to the end times, which is now. If Jesus came in 70 A.D., did we just miss Him or what?? Also Hollywood is the city that was told to me, and I stick by it. Again, let time's passing prove what is true!! Boy, won't you be surprised!!

God's Best to You,

MichaelCadry

Times passing has already proven it back in AD 70. You will be surprised if you will look at the scriptures as if written to them back then and not to your self centered world you live in. I will stick to it and to be fair about the Lord's coming it had to be spiritual not physical as todays traditional futurist claim. To say otherwise is twisting scripture and perverting it with a reprobate mind.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

We are told in the scriptures that Jesus return in the same manner as He left, in FACT, with the clouds of heaven. Also that "as lightning shineth from the east to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be." Now, if this happened back in 70 A.D., I'm sure it would be well-documented. Now, c'mon.

MichaelCadry

[InChristAlways]

Dear Hidden Manna,

We are told in the scriptures that Jesus return in the same manner as He left, in FACT, with the clouds of heaven. Also that "as lightning shineth from the east to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be." Now, if this happened back in 70 A.D., I'm sure it would be well-documented. Now, c'mon.

MichaelCadryHi MC. You mean the clouds like in Jeremiah 4 below? Jesus also promised the High Priest in the gospels that he would see Him coming on the clouds, but he is dead now, so he will of course have to be resurrected to see it I think, don't know.
Sorry, but all I see is vengeance and wrath against Judah/Israel/Jerusalem in the OT. I just have a hard time with your view of "Hollywood" being the Harlot/Great City/Babylon, but then your view is about as good as the 1000's of others out there brother so I will really not criticize your view.[in fact I heard on the news about a "image" of the virgin Mary under an overpass. I just saw it as a stain on the concrete, but then I am not catholic]. God bless.
Hollywood is the woman/harlot/whore told to me by an angel. Must we guess it could be anywhere's else, considering it came from an angel. Babylon used to be in Iraq, or Iran, I believe. But in the NEW U.S., God has deemed it's spiritual sister city to be Hollywood, and I daresay, L.A. It's because she has taught all of the other cities and countries to do wrong things, sins, adultery, wife-swapping, prostitution, gluttony, thievery, depravity, etc. That is all I will say for now. I look forward to your reply to see what you think.


Jeremiah 4: 11 At that time it will be said To this people andto Jerusalem, "A dry wind of the desolate heights in the wilderness Toward [b]the daughter of My people -- Not to fan or to cleanse -- 12 A wind too strong for these will come for Me; Now I will also speak judgment against them." 13 "Behold, he shall come up like clouds, And his chariots like a whirlwind. His horses are swifter than eagles. Woe to us, for we are plundered!"

Luke 23:28 But Jesus, turning to them, said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children.

What an awsome passage in 2 kings [the whole Bible is awsome to me]. It appears that the Lord could "open eyes" to see celestial or heavenly events happening. That is mentioned a few times after Jesus was resurrected and walked around for 40 days. Pretty amazing.

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, "LORD, I pray, open his eyes that he may see." Then the LORD opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold, the mountain [was] full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.

[Hidden Manna]

Dear Hidden Manna,

We are told in the scriptures that Jesus return in the same manner as He left, in FACT, with the clouds of heaven. Also that "as lightning shineth from the east to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be." Now, if this happened back in 70 A.D., I'm sure it would be well-documented. Now, c'mon.

MichaelCadry

Dear MichaelCadry,

Acts 1:11 is one of the most misunderstood verses in our New Testament! Let's draw some biblical lessons from the Bible to see what the account of Act 1:11 really says. Most people agree that Jesus was in a material body at this time. That is indeed correct. And many also believe that the Angels told the disciples that Jesus will return just as He left-bodily and visible. That is not what our Acts 1:11 says however.

Lets look at the verse 11 where it says: "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." (Acts 1:11) What was the manner that the disciples saw him go into heaven? Verse nine contains the answer. Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. (Acts 1:9) Verse 9 is speaking of the manner in which Jesus went into heaven. What was that manner? A cloud received Him out of their sight.

Now just to see if we are correct in our understanding of the manner in which Jesus would return in these verses, let's ask another question. Did Jesus ever mention returning in the clouds when speaking of His second coming? But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, "I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!" Jesus said to him, "It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Matthew 26:63-64) The first thing that should be noticed here (Jesus told the high priest he would see his return on the clouds of heaven not us today.

And then there is this verse. "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (Matthew 24:30)." As you can see, these verses bear witness that Jesus returned in like manner to that of His departure. A cloud, or clouds, is the key. Clouds of course also speak of vengeance, wrath, and judgment against the enemies of God. (See Isaiah 19) Jesus was Jewish, and this was the reason why he chose to use Jewish apocalyptic language as He described His soon return to the people of His day. (Matthew 26: 63-64) The angels in Acts 1: 11 never made any kind of contradiction from anything that Jesus had already said.

Jesus as did Paul used many types and shadows from the Old Testament scriptures. Where did Jesus get all the concepts of God riding on clouds and stuff from? The Old Testament. He is the very same God who was riding the clouds in judgment. This is a very big problem if you don't understand the Jewish apocalyptic mind.

A good example of this is from, Quote: Now, if this happened back in 70 A.D., I'm sure it would be well-documented. Now, c'mon.

Many of us today face the same problem that confronted Jesus- trying to explain spiritual truth to those who insist on carnal literal interpretations to spiritual things. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

Yes, Jesus did tell us that: "many false Christs shall come in my name, but believe them not. For as the lightning shineth from the east to the west, so SHALL the coming of the Son of Man be.' I can't say I remember where this verse is exactly, but it is in the first of the four major New Testament gospels.

Thanks for trying to learn Hidden Manna. And also for offering your own beliefs for me to scrutinize.

God's Best to You and Yours Always,

MichaelCadry

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

Also, if man was evolved from apes, how come we don't see ANY apes now in the transition of becoming man-like, in any stage or form?? I think God created apes and He created men, and it is two different things. I don't believe in Darwin's theory. I believe that God created apes in different forms as the years went by, but He created man in His Own Image.

Answers Come to Those Who Seek and Find,

MichaelCadry

[Hidden Manna]

Consider some of the folks the scriptures say would see the coming of the Lord in power and glory. Nathaniel (John 1:51), the High Priest (Matt 26:24), many people who were alive in Jesus’ day (Mark 9:11, Luke 9:27), and those who pierced him (Rev 1:7). The only way for the futurists to take the “every eye” passages interpret them literally and then put them in our day would be for all these folks to be alive today. Big problem.

The best way to interpret scripture is to let scripture interpret scripture. When coming in the clouds imagery and every eye imagery is used in other places in the scripture, does it ever mean literal clouds and literally every eye? If you study the Bible, you will see that these words never mean literal clouds or literal eyes. These phrases are apocalyptic in nature. They are images the average Jew in Jesus’ day would never take literally.

Coming on the clouds in the Old Testament always denotes God coming in judgment upon His enemies. Read Isaiah 19:1-2 for an example. God said that He would ride in on a cloud to punish the Egyptians. Did anyone see God riding on a actual cloud when judgment came? No. What did they see? They saw the Assyrians march against Egypt. (Isa. 20:1-6). Likewise, David said that the Lord delivered him from his enemies while descending on clouds (Psa. 18:3-15). Did David ever see the Lord riding on literal clouds coming to his rescue? No. There are many other examples of such imagery in the Bible.

One significant aspect of Jesus saying He would come in the clouds was that He was making Himself equal with God. Only the God of Israel could ride the clouds of heaven in judgment (Psa. 104:1-3. Isa. 19:1-3. Joel 2:1-2, Nah. 1-3. Zeph. 1:14-15). This fact was well known to every Jew. They did not think of literal clouds when Jesus spoke these words. They thought of coming judgment.
Now let’s look at the phrase “every eye.” If we study the Bible we will see that it is language used to denote the magnitude of events first and foremost in the heavenly realm. It does not mean that every natural eye will see the event. Consider the following prophesy concerning the ministry of John the Baptist.

A voice is calling,
“Clear the way for the LORD in the wilderness;
Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God.
“Let every valley be lifted up,
And every mountain and hill be made low;
And let the rough ground become a plain,
And the rugged terrain a broad valley;
Then the glory of the LORD will be revealed,
And all flesh will see it together;
For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.” (Isa 40:3-5)

Did every living thing see the ministry of John the Baptist or the earthly ministry of Jesus? No, not even close. Did literal mountains fall down etc.? Certainly not.

In another example in Isaiah 52:10 we see the Lord bearing His arm for all the nations of the earth to see. Did any one actually see a literal arm doing God’s work? No.

We must understand that though the Bible was written for us. It was not written to us. One of the great keys to understanding cloud comings and every eye phraseology is to think like a first century Jew. They never would have understood these words the way futurists do today.

The Tribes of the Earth
John wrote that this was the “revelation (or revealing) of Jesus Christ” (verse 1) who was coming “with the clouds, and every eye will see Him and those who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth (or land) will wail due to Him. Yes, Amen” (verse 7) . This is the main purpose of Revelation. The revealing of Jesus to the “tribes of the earth (or land).” Now, we must identify, from Scripture, who those “tribes” were. To do that, we must keep in mind this simple rule of interpreting the Bible: let Scripture interpret Scripture. We can do that quite easily by looking at Zechariah 12:10-14.

And I will pour out on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and prayers. And they (i.e., the inhabitants of Jerusalem) shall look on Me whom they have pierced, and shall mourn for Him. As one mourns for an only son, and will be bitter over Him like the bitterness over the firstborn. In that day (i.e., when they look on Him whom they had pierced) the mourning in Jerusalem will be great, like the mourning of Hadad-rimmon in the valley of Megiddo. And the land shall mourn, families by families alone; the family of the house of David alone, and their wives alone; the family of Nathan alone, and their wives alone; the family of the house of Levi alone, and their wives alone; the family of Shimei alone, and their wives alone; all the families who are left, family by family alone, and their wives alone.

Obviously, this is the foundation for John’ “every eye will see Him and those who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth (or land)will wail due to Him.” The Hebrew word for “family” is mishpachah and it means “family; by extension a tribe or people.” So, in essence, Zechariah was saying that the “tribes of the land” would mourn for Him whom they had pierced. Who were those “tribes?” “The inhabitants of Jerusalem.” This also helps us identify the “earth” in Revelation 1:7. According to Zechariah, the “earth” is the land of Palestine, specifically, Jerusalem. Also, it is those tribes, i.e., the nation of Israel, who would “look on Me whom they had pierced.” And because of that, “the mourning in Jerusalem” would be great. With all of this information, we can see that the “tribes of the earth” in Revelation 1:7 are the nation of Israel. The “earth” is Palestine. The land that would mourn is Jerusalem.

So, the main purpose of Revelation would be to reveal Jesus the nation of Israel. The place of this revealing would be Jerusalem. Lastly, this revealing would be to those who pierced Him, i.e., the Jews. This is not a general reference to the Jewish nation as some commentators state, but to Christ’s contemporary generation. That generation was destroyed in AD 70, by the Roman Legions. Therefore, the book of Revelation must have been written before that event.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

You don't seem to understand another side of this, namely, what is really going to happen. Those who pierced him will be living again in another body like reincarnation and see Him Who they have pierced. We can read in Revelation that the rest of the dead did not live AGAIN until the 1,000 years were fulfilled, so you are smart to believe in reincarnation. You keep coming back til you get it right.

I suppose this is not enough for you but what would be. You are quite confused in the brain, as far as I see it, it seems that nothing I would say would change your mind, so let me know how you feel about that.

Oh, That God's Grace Would Shine Upon You With True Light,

MichaelC
mcadry1@cox.net

[Hidden Manna]

In John 11:26 we have proof that whosoever lives and believes shall never die. It is obvious that Jesus meant shall never spiritually die because everyone is appointed to die once physically. Some twice if they were ever raised from the dead physically like Lazuras, if not then there must be some who are at least 2000 years old amongst us today.

John 11
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Now here is what amazes me is that the word body in Romans 8:10,11 does not refer to the physical human body, simply because those who are in Christ are not physically dead. It is obvious that it is referring to a spiritual body. Yet most believe the body when speaking of being resurrected is just the physical body, however 1 Cor.15 makes it very clear the flesh and blood will not enter into the Kingdom of God.

Romans 8
9But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.


Here in verse 12 we have the death of the body of sin if we live by the Spirit. This again makes it very clear that the scripture use of the word body is not a physical body but a spiritual body.

Sonship Through the Spirit
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Now with this all in mind we need to re-read 1 Cor. 15 when it comes to the body being resurrected.

Here is what I found that the scripture says about the new man or “body”. Note here how it is associated with deeds and forgiving as Christ did.

Colossians 3:9-11

9Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.

Character of the New Man
12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.

Again here in Romans 8:14 it sums it up by saying that we are to put on Christ as if something the new man or body is to be spiritually clothed in Him.

Romans 13
Love Your Neighbor
(A)8Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” [a]”You shall not covet,” [b]and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [c]10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


Put on Christ
11 And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna,

I do love you, so don't get me wrong. I just think you think differently than me and that's okay for you. But if you want to know the truth, you might want to believe some of the things I'm saying. I really have gone through all of these experiences and have learned much. Armageddon and Jesus' Return is yet to come and it is very soon. It is not like you say,,,that it already happened.

Let me know how you feel.

God's Love Be Always Yours,

MichaelCadry

[Hidden Manna]

Dear Hidden Manna,

I do love you, so don't get me wrong. I just think you think differently than me and that's okay for you. But if you want to know the truth, you might want to believe some of the things I'm saying. I really have gone through all of these experiences and have learned much. Armageddon and Jesus' Return is yet to come and it is very soon. It is not like you say,,,that it already happened.

Let me know how you feel.

God's Love Be Always Yours,

MichaelCadry

Here is an interesting quote I responded to from another forum along this topic that I thought would be interesting for all to read.



Quote: Originally Posted by: parousia70

Revelation 1:7 isn't about the future to us return, so your question is flawed.

It is in no way necessary to believe Revelation 1:7 is future to believe Christ will come again.

Do I believe there is a future to us return of Christ? yes.
Do I believe Revelation 1:7 describes it? No.

The cloud-coming of Revelation 1:7 that "every eye would see" is shown in Revelation 14:14-20 to be an event that occurs in the heavenly realms. As the passage reveals, Christ's actions and commands in the heavenlies result in various tribulation-period disasters that transpire on earth. Simply put, Revelation 14:14-20 is the cloud-coming that "every eye would see." This is significant, for St. John is not describing this coming of Christ as some visual spectacular with cumulus clouds in the skies overhead, but as the coming of Yahweh himself, making Christ equal with the Father. Jesus promised his apostles that he would come in their lifetimes "in the glory of the Father" (Matt 16:27-28; Lk. 9:26; Matt 24:33-34). Christ's coming at AD 67-70 was precisely in the manner and tradition of Yahweh's Old-Testament-era comings.

Revelation 1:7 (cf 14:40) does not fortell the Future Creedal consumation. It may typify it, but it is not a direct prophesy refrencing it and it alone.

Good post P70, Jesus coming in the glory of the Father is what it is about, as the Father came in the Spiritual realm in the OT so many times. Only a few times He appeared in a physical form as Spirited beings can do for a temperary peroid of time to accomplish God's will.

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John 11
25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. * 26 "And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

[InChristAlways]

Here is an interesting quote I responded to from another forum along this topic that I thought would be interesting for all to read.

Quote: Originally Posted by: parousia70

Revelation 1:7 isn't about the future to us return, so your question is flawed.

It is in no way necessary to believe Revelation 1:7 is future to believe Christ will come again.

Do I believe there is a future to us return of Christ? yes.
Do I believe Revelation 1:7 describes it? No.

The cloud-coming of Revelation 1:7 that "every eye would see" is shown in Revelation 14:14-20 to be an event that occurs in the heavenly realms. As the passage reveals, Christ's actions and commands in the heavenlies result in various tribulation-period disasters that transpire on earth. Simply put, Revelation 14:14-20 is the cloud-coming that "every eye would see." This is significant, for St. John is not describing this coming of Christ as some visual spectacular with cumulus clouds in the skies overhead, but as the coming of Yahweh himself, making Christ equal with the Father. Jesus promised his apostles that he would come in their lifetimes "in the glory of the Father" (Matt 16:27-28; Lk. 9:26; Matt 24:33-34). Christ's coming at AD 67-70 was precisely in the manner and tradition of Yahweh's Old-Testament-era comings.

Revelation 1:7 (cf 14:40) does not fortell the Future Creedal consumation. It may typify it, but it is not a direct prophesy refrencing it and it alone.

Good post P70, Jesus coming in the glory of the Father is what it is about, as the Father came in the Spiritual realm in the OT so many times. Only a few times He appeared in a physical form as Spirited beings can do for a temperary peroid of time to accomplish God's will.

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John 11
25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. * 26 "And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"Hi HM. Good post and anwered a question I had. Jesus is the glory of the Father and Paul even instructed his followers not to think of Him as in the flesh any longer, so that about rules out a "physical" coming I think.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know [Him thus] no longer.

BTW, how do you or others read Jeremiah 18/Isaiah 40/Reve 18?

Does it represent the jew's temple being destroyed "twice" or a [b]double dose of Wrath? What does the "double" mean? Just curious. Thanks and blessings.

Jeremiah 16:18 "And first I will repay double for their iniquity and their sin, because they have defiled My land; they have filled My inheritance with the carcasses of their detestable and abominable idols."

Jeremi 17:1 "The sin of Judah [is] written with a pen of iron;..... 17 Do not be a terror to me; You [are] my hope in the day of doom. 18 Let them be ashamed who persecute me, But do not let me be put to shame; Let them be dismayed, But do not let me be dismayed. Bring on them the day of doom, And destroy them with double destruction!

Isaiah 40:1 "Comfort, yes, comfort My people!" Says your God. 2 "Speak comfort to Jerusalem, and cry out to her, That her warfare is ended, That her iniquity is pardoned; For she has received from the LORD's hand Double for all her sins."

Reve 18:5 "For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 "Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her.

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands [watch] over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, [Even] to that time.

Matt 23:36 "Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 " O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under [her] wings, but you were not willing! 38 "See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 "for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, 'Blessed [is] He who comes in the name of the LORD!' "

[Hidden Manna]

Hi HM. Good post and anwered a question I had. Jesus is the glory of the Father and Paul even instructed his followers not to think of Him as in the flesh any longer, so that about rules out a "physical" coming I think.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know [Him thus] no longer.

BTW, how do you or others read Jeremiah 18/Isaiah 40/Reve 18?

Does it represent the jew's temple being destroyed "twice" or a [b]double dose of Wrath? What does the "double" mean? Just curious. Thanks and blessings.

Jeremiah 16:18 "And first I will repay double for their iniquity and their sin, because they have defiled My land; they have filled My inheritance with the carcasses of their detestable and abominable idols."

Jeremi 17:1 "The sin of Judah [is] written with a pen of iron;..... 17 Do not be a terror to me; You [are] my hope in the day of doom. 18 Let them be ashamed who persecute me, But do not let me be put to shame; Let them be dismayed, But do not let me be dismayed. Bring on them the day of doom, And destroy them with double destruction!

Isaiah 40:1 "Comfort, yes, comfort My people!" Says your God. 2 "Speak comfort to Jerusalem, and cry out to her, That her warfare is ended, That her iniquity is pardoned; For she has received from the LORD's hand Double for all her sins."

Reve 18:5 "For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 "Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her.

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands [watch] over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, [Even] to that time.

Matt 23:36 "Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 " O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under [her] wings, but you were not willing! 38 "See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 "for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, 'Blessed [is] He who comes in the name of the LORD!' "

Thats right ICA, Jesus came and appeared in the glory of the Father in AD 70 and now the fullness of the Godhead indwells believers.

A physical coming like His first one would be hindered compared to His coming in the glory of the Father because His first coming was God manifested in the flesh and could only be at one place at one time whereas the glory of the father fills the whole earth.

The rest of what you asked sounds like it applied to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 when Jesus came in the glory of the Father.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Hidden Manna and In Christ Always,

You should be of certain that Jesus will return in soon months or years in the flesh, coming with the clouds of heaven. Don't think it happened in 70 A.D. The angel said, 'in this way that you see Him leave, so shall you see Him come again, with the clouds of heaven...as lightning shineth from the east to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be.....'

Any other belief, and you are fooling yourselves, or the devil has taken a chance to confuse your thoughts.

Talk to me. Tell me what you think of what I have to say!

Much Love Coming Your Way, In Jesus' Name,

MichaelCadry
:eek:

[InChristAlways]

Hi MC. I see you are still seeing Los Angeles as "Babylon" I think.

Has Jesus come to you? Did you see Him come in "the flesh" to you? Did He raise you up in the flesh or the Spirit?
Do you understand what Paul is saying in 2 corin, and if you do, then why do you still think of Him as "in the flesh" now? Where do you see Him being in "the flesh" in Revelation BTW?
Have you looked at Dani 11/12 in reference to the Olivet Discourse and Revelation?

It is really easier to just sit back and make wild speculations on how Jesus is to return, but it takes more studying/translation to try and reconcile scripture to how Daniel's people were to be "delivered". There is no 1000yr period in it either, correct? What does that mean to you? Blessings.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know [Him thus] no longer.

Daniel 12:1 And At That Time shall Michael Stand Up, the Great Prince who standeth for the Children/Sons of thy People; and there shallbe a Time of Trouble, such as never was since there Was A Nation[Israel?] even to That Same Time; and at That Time thy People shall be Delivered, every one that shall be found Written in the Book.

Dani 11:31 Arms shall stand on His part, and They shall Profane the Sanctuary, even the Fortress, and shall Take Away the Continual , and they shall Set Up the Abomination That Maketh Desolate.


Dani 12:11 and, from the Time of the[b] Taking away of the Continual [ascending-sacrifice], and the placing of the horrid abomination that astoundeth, [shall be] one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Happy! is he that waiteth, and attaineth to one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days

Reve 9:15 So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind.

[Hidden Manna]

Dear Hidden Manna and In Christ Always,

You should be of certain that Jesus will return in soon months or years in the flesh, coming with the clouds of heaven. Don't think it happened in 70 A.D. The angel said, 'in this way that you see Him leave, so shall you see Him come again, with the clouds of heaven...as lightning shineth from the east to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be.....'

Any other belief, and you are fooling yourselves, or the devil has taken a chance to confuse your thoughts.

Talk to me. Tell me what you think of what I have to say!

Much Love Coming Your Way, In Jesus' Name,

MichaelCadry
:eek:

Hi MichaelCadry,

Please show me where, when the Father came in glory that it was in the flesh before Christ came?

If you can show me where the Fathers glory fills the whole earth in the flesh then you may have a leg to stand on otherwise your just blowing off alot of hot air and wasting your time in un-belief that Jesus came in the glory of the Father when Jerusalem was destroyed.

I know you cannot accept the truth because then you would not be one of the witness of Revelation 11 which is a deception of grand delour if you ask me. Puffing your self up to be very special over and above others. Is not unusual that you would do so in a very humble way because you must do so in order to get some to accept you and believe you. Are you so desperate for attention that you need to believe you are something great then other people in serving God?

:sigh:

[betzerg]

Dear Hidden Manna,

Hollywood is the woman/harlot/whore told to me by an angel. Must we guess it could be anywhere's else, considering it came from an angel. Babylon used to be in Iraq, or Iran, I believe. But in the NEW U.S., God has deemed it's spiritual sister city to be Hollywood, and I daresay, L.A. It's because she has taught all of the other cities and countries to do wrong things, sins, adultery, wife-swapping, prostitution, gluttony, thievery, depravity, etc. That is all I will say for now. I look forward to your reply to see what you think.

Much Love Coming Your Way,

Michael


Bravo, michael...good job. 200 hundred posts. You must be laughing your head off!!!. Let's see...your an almost 50 year old guy who still lives with his MOM and has a GIRLFRIEND who comes over to his house. HIS BESTFRIEND works till 3am (wow not many old guys can do that)...and you have a long story that contradicts scripture and presents an amazingly juvenile interpretation of biblical symbolism.

How old are you really. And who put you up to this.

shalom,

Betzer

YOu do have a very creative mind....ever consider writing a series about the last days. LaHay made a fortune.

[Slayer-2004]

Anyone else watch the grim reaper show ? Check out episode 5 :P

Im personally not too surprised that many of you think you will all be warped back to heaven in your lifetime . Your grandparents thought it was going to happen in their lifetime despite the fact that it never happened to their parents who believed the same thing as well as their parents parents and their parents parents parents and so on . Why should this generation be any differant ?

[Hidden Manna]

Anyone else watch the grim reaper show ? Check out episode 5 :P

Im personally not too surprised that many of you think you will all be warped back to heaven in your lifetime . Your grandparents thought it was going to happen in their lifetime despite the fact that it never happened to their parents who believed the same thing as well as their parents parents and their parents parents parents and so on . Why should this generation be any differant ?

Good point Slayer, the reason for this is because most do not understand that the old heaven passed away in AD 70 when the temple and city of Jerusalem was destroyed, and the new heaven and earth began.

People who miss that will forever be waiting for something that is right under their nose but cannot see it because it's in the spiritual realm.

[MichaelCadry]

To All of You,

Do not take it lightly that I said Jesus will come again as they saw Him leave with the clouds of heaven. Why do you dismiss so lightly what is written in the scriptures about it?? Forget 70 A.D. He didn't return then. So get over it somehow. I do not puff up myself to say I am a witness, but if I am, it will either be proven by God or not, so why get huffy about it. Time will bear out the truth. Let us see what happens then, okay??

I do not agree with you all, but it's alright to disagree and still be friends, okay?? I look forward to your feedback about this. But to say He already came in 70 A.D. is ludicrous. It says in the Bible that after He returns, a man shall sit safely under a tree with no fear that any beast or man shall attack him. It also says that the lion shall lie down with the lamb. Have these things happened yet?? R U kidding?? It is far from that right now, and we need a saviour more than ever before. He will surprise all of you as a thief in the night. Then you can type to me what you want. What will you say then. God will prove me in the near future. If not, say what you will. I tell you it is hell being one of two witnesses and I have had mourning like you would not believe and I have been through the worst of hells, but I am strong, and I will survive and make My Father proud, and also my brother, Jesus.

Tell me what you think now.

May God and Jesus Bless You With Minds and Hearts That Understand,

MichaelCadry
:wink:

[InChristAlways]

I do not agree with you all, but it's alright to disagree and still be friends, okay?? I look forward to your feedback about this. But to say He already came in 70 A.D. is ludicrous. It says in the Bible that after He returns, a man shall sit safely under a tree with no fear that any beast or man shall attack him. It also says that the lion shall lie down with the lamb. Have these things happened yet?? R U kidding?? Hi MC. The jews also don't agree with 2 comings of the messiah and they are quite at odds with messianics and zionist christians in the way they view scripture. What would be the main reason for Jesus even coming back??? Explaining those "resurrections" is an even bigger "task".
The bible is actually more believable seeing it as fulfilled as it means Jesus was indeed the True Prophet and Messiah to Israel and Judah I think. I could be wrong though.

Reve 11:12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.

Reve 14:14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat [One] like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "

Reve 20:5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.

[Hidden Manna]

To All of You,

Do not take it lightly that I said Jesus will come again as they saw Him leave with the clouds of heaven. Why do you dismiss so lightly what is written in the scriptures about it?? Forget 70 A.D. He didn't return then. So get over it somehow. I do not puff up myself to say I am a witness, but if I am, it will either be proven by God or not, so why get huffy about it. Time will bear out the truth. Let us see what happens then, okay??

I do not agree with you all, but it's alright to disagree and still be friends, okay?? I look forward to your feedback about this. But to say He already came in 70 A.D. is ludicrous. It says in the Bible that after He returns, a man shall sit safely under a tree with no fear that any beast or man shall attack him. It also says that the lion shall lie down with the lamb. Have these things happened yet?? R U kidding?? It is far from that right now, and we need a saviour more than ever before. He will surprise all of you as a thief in the night. Then you can type to me what you want. What will you say then. God will prove me in the near future. If not, say what you will. I tell you it is hell being one of two witnesses and I have had mourning like you would not believe and I have been through the worst of hells, but I am strong, and I will survive and make My Father proud, and also my brother, Jesus.

Tell me what you think now.

May God and Jesus Bless You With Minds and Hearts That Understand,

MichaelCadry
:wink:

I understand what you think about Christ returning in AD 70. I thought the same until I was willing to be wrong and amit it. Sounds like you are a victim of deception and you are suffering the consequences of your reward, Quote: I tell you it is hell being one of two witnesses and I have had mourning like you would not believe and I have been through the worst of hells.

Ever since I sought the truth willingly setting aside all of the stuff I heard before I have truely being living in the presence of the Lord fully accepting that I am now with Jesus in a new heaven and earth. Nothing beats it and it realy has been heaven here on earth in the spiritual realm where all the types and shadows have been fulfilled in Christ including what the lion and lamb eating together and lying down pointed to.

In Quote are some questions from Doug at another forum concerning how Pretrist see Isaiah 65 fulfilled. So I’m posting it here seeing that these questions are a main concern for people seeking whether Preterism has answer for them.

Quote: “Doug Joseph” Whereas I already addressed this from a futurist standpoint, when will a preterist address the fact that Preterism would have us believe that those people (in Isa 65) with super-long lifespans are existing now, in our present day and age? (i.e. since, supposedly, this is the New Heaven and New Earth in “covenant” form.) How is it that Preterism claims that present-day believers are living so long that when they die at 100 years old they’re still considered infants, and if they fail to make it to 100 they’re considered accursed? How is it that Preterism claims that present-day believers are building houses and developing their property so as to “long enjoy” the work of their hands (for hundreds of years, apparently), with their *offspring [ not “through” their offspring in perpetuity, but actually “with” ], without having to die early because of short lifespans imposed by the curse on creation? And why is there still, today, danger from carnivorous animals and poisonous creatures? If the preterist view is true, then where, today, is the reversal of the curse that Isa 65 and Isa 11 (etc) indicates should be here?
*Note: Presently, the “Elect” cannot give birth to “elected” offspring!
As I asked of Hidden Manna, so also I ask of you:
Do you believe in literal New Heavens and New Earth, in which the former will have passed away and will not be remembered, and in which the curse on creation will have been repealed—long life spans for people (yet still having childbirth, and still having death), and yet no death at all for the Bride of Christ (and no marriage, and no male or female); formerly carnivorous creatures living as herbivores; formerly poisonous creatures living as harmless (Revelation 21:1-4, Romans 8:18-25, Isaiah 65:17-25, Isaiah 66:22, Isaiah 11:1-12, 2 Peter 3:1-18)? “Quote”


Doug the way that you have worded these questions that you have for us has been done so in a way that is hard to answer because it would demand a strawman for an answer. So rather then trying to answer them as according to your questions which I find hard to understand I’ll try just state the way that I see things and maybe you will get an understanding as to how Isaiah 65 can be fulfilled for today.
Isaiah 65
( 20”No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, )
I would say that a good question for this text is, is the infant spoken of here a baby child or a new born in Christ. If it is referring to either one then would not John 11:25 would apply? If it applies to the natural birth of a child then children also are not accountable for their sins until they reach the age of accountability. So then if a child was to die would he not go to heaven and not have to wait for a resurrection like they did before Jesus came?
John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
Isaiah 65 ( Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; )
Psalm 138
7 Though I walk in the midst of trouble,
you preserve my life;
you stretch out your hand against the anger of my foes,
with your right hand you save me.
8 The LORD will fulfill his purpose for me;
your love, O LORD , endures forever-
do not abandon the works of your hands.
2 Thessalonians 1
10on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.
11With this in mind, we constantly pray for you, that our God may count you worthy of his calling, and that by his power he may fulfill every good purpose of yours and every act prompted by your faith. 12We pray this so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.[1]
Isaiah 65 ( For the child shall die one hundred years old, )
It is possible for a 100 year old person to give their heart to the Lord at an old age and become a child as a new born in Christ. Something that was unheard of in the Old Covenant “Heaven and Earth”
Matthew 18
2Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, 3and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Isaiah 65 ( But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed. )
If a sinner was to make it to 100 years old when they died they would come to their end in the lake of fire and then second death. While they alive on the earth they would have lived in a state of condemnation because they did not believe.
John 3
18”He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
Isaiah 65: 21They shall build houses and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22They shall not build and another inhabit;
They shall not plant and another eat;
2 Thessalonians 3
7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; 8nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, 9not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. 10For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. 11For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies.

Isaiah 65 For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people,
It does not say days as in length of time. This could mean that our days will days of rejoicing like trees clapping their hands. We are to give the Lord a sacrifice of praise.
Isaiah 55
8”For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD.
9”For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

10”For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,
11So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.

12”For you shall go out with joy,
And be led out with peace;
The mountains and the hills
Shall break forth into singing before you,
And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
13Instead of the thorn shall come up the cypress tree,
And instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree;
And it shall be to the LORD for a name,
For an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.”


Isaiah 65And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23They shall not labor in vain,
We will see the results in the people around us who have been affected by the truth we bring and the results is everlasting life.
Isaiah 65 Nor bring forth children for trouble;
For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the LORD,
And their offspring with them.
We bring forth Spiritual offspring those who have been born again through the preaching of the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ and His Kingdom of no end.
Isaiah 65:24”It shall come to pass
That before they call, I will answer;
And while they are still speaking, I will hear.
God is not far away but dwells right within us. He knows our thoughts as we think them
Isaiah 65:25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,

The wolf was considered unclean the lamb was clean. The heathen nations were considered unclean and Israel was considered clean. God has made possible the two to be one through the blood of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2


Brought Near by His Blood
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh--who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands-- 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.


Christ Our Peace
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.



This text could also be speaking of people who by character are either like lamb’s or wolves. Benjamin was considered a wolf.

Genesis 49:27
"Benjamin is a ravenous wolf ; In the morning he shall devour the prey, And at night he shall divide the spoil."

We live in a world today when anyone “wolf or lamb” can feed on God’s word together without burning each other at the stake because someone else believes differently. All you have to do is go into a Church fellowship and you can see both sitting together feeding on God’s word and eating together at pot lucks. We are commanded to love each other as Christ loved us and this command puts a restraint upon those with a wolf like character that they have to overcome. Only by putting on Jesus Christ and letting His Spirit control their lives can they be tamed enough to not harm the sheep.
Romans 8:36
As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Matthew 7:15
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
Matthew 10:16
“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
Acts 20
28Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.

Isaiah 65 The lion shall eat straw like the ox,
And dust shall be the serpent’s food.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,”
Says the LORD.
Satan only had the ability to deceive when the old covenant temple was still standing. Now that the old covenant service has been taken out of the way the truth of what Jesus has promise has been fulfilled and His kingdom has come. Even though people today can be deceived they do not have to be. Satan has been defeated, at he cross for a start and at the destruction of the Old Covenant temple and second appearing of Jesus Christ.
Satan lost his teeth figuritively speaking, and has to eat straw.
1 Peter 5
7casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
8Be sober, be vigilant; because[1] your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 9Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.

Isaiah 11
6”The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
The leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
The calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little child shall lead them.
How many times have we seen children of God lead prisoners who live like beasts in the prison systems? Or people of the uncivilized world who would brutally kill people from other tribes?
Isaiah 11:7The cow and the bear shall graze;
Their young ones shall lie down together;
The nations of the world have been symbolized by animal beasts, if this is what it means then we have a cow and a bear representing people from different nations getting along with one another and breaking bread together. Their children may even marry. This was not allowed in the Old Covenant system.
And the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8The nursing child shall play by the cobra’s hole,
And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den.
How many times as children in the Lord have we played around with fire doing things with people of the world who do not believe in God as if put our hands in the viper’s den?
As far as poisonous things not harming us read verse 18 below.
Mark 16
The Great Commission
(4) 14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
Luke 10:19
Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
The answers we should be looking for are in a figurative speech. If serpents, lambs and wolves are figurative, then are not the ox, lion, cows, bears and poisonous things also? The serpent is likened to Satan or the devil and Jesus called the Pharisees serpents and vipers. Could this be where a child will put his hands and not be harmed?

People can be poisoned with bitterness or poisoned in their minds. But in the New Heaven that we are now in we have power to forgive and receive the mind of Christ. We can also speak the words of Jesus instead of have poison under our tongues. Even if a person is infected with these poisonous things it will not harm us because we have something greater with God indwelling us.
Matthew 23:33
Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
Revelation 20:2
He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Acts 8:23
For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity.”
Acts 14:2
But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brethren.
Romans 3:13
“Their throat is an open tomb; With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;[3:13 Psalm 5:9] “The poison of asps is under their lips”;[3:13 Psalm 5:9]
James 3:8
But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
As far as not marrying in heaven and been as angels, no male or female. In the New Covenant, life according to the flesh is not regarded, so then we should not regard whether a person is male or female, married or single. As far as being like the angels, Jesus called Judas a devil “fallen angel”.
2 Corinthians 5
15and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.
16Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
1 Corinthians 7
29But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none, 30those who weep as though they did not weep, those who rejoice as though they did not rejoice, those who buy as though they did not possess, 31and those who use this world as not misusing it. For the form of this world is passing away.
In this life on earth we if we are married we are to be as not. However in Matt. 22:29 Jesus speaks concerning after we physically die, they neither marry nor are given in marriage. And even though He called Judas a devil as he lived on earth, people can be as the angels on earth as well as after they physically die in heaven.
Matthew 22
29Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. 31But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, 32”I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” 33And when the multitudes heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.
Anyway this interpretation of Isaiah 65 is as backed up with scripture that I see related. I hope that someone else out there can get some ideas and come up with a better presentation along the same lines as what I have given or better. Doug’s question were demanding a literal answer from questions concerning carnivorous creatures living as herbivores; formerly poisonous creatures living and marriage that will not happen after physical death as appose to if married be as though you are not.

What I have shown here as to how Isaiah 65 is fulfilled and we are experiencing it right now.
The question I have for you, show me where in scripture where there would be a literal fulfillment in Isiah 65.

[MichaelCadry]

You just simply still don't get it. 70 A.D. has come and gone. Jesus WILL return in the near future. So you are so utterly confused and Satan has played HAVOC with your mind. Must be nice to be on the wrong path. Then you don't have to suffer the slings and arrows of the devil, cause you are already screwed up. He has you where he wants you. You are no longer a threat to him because you are so far from the truth, it is beyond words or helping you.

May God Help You,

MichaelC

[Hidden Manna]

You just simply still don't get it. 70 A.D. has come and gone. Jesus WILL return in the near future. So you are so utterly confused and Satan has played HAVOC with your mind. Must be nice to be on the wrong path. Then you don't have to suffer the slings and arrows of the devil, cause you are already screwed up. He has you where he wants you. You are no longer a threat to him because you are so far from the truth, it is beyond words or helping you.

May God Help You,

MichaelC

Meaning of Satan and the Devil
The Devil, whether you view him/it as a real being or just that which opposed God, presents a way other than Christ whether it be good or evil. John 8 is very telling in this matter.

37“I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.”

39They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. (John 8:37-45)

It is interesting how Jesus frames what the Devil is all about here.

During the supper, the devil (diabolos) having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, {the son} of Simon, to betray Jesus. Looking at Greek word for devil (diabolos), we find that Thayer’s definition can be applied to a man.

Strong: 1228 diabolos (dee-ab’-ol-os); from 1225; a traducer; specially, Satan [compare 7854]: KJV—false accuser, devil, slanderer.

Thayer: 1228 diabolos-1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer, 2) metaphorically, applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with him.

In Matt 26:14-16 and Mark 14:10-11 below, we find that the chief priests were willing to pay a bribe to Judas Iscariot to betray. I would speculate here that the devil mentioned in John 13:1-2 are the chief priests identified in Matt 26:14-16 and Mark 14:10-11as the chief priests fit Thayer’s definition of men who oppose the cause of God.

Then one of the twelve, named Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests, and said, “What are you willing to give me to deliver Him up to you?” And they weighed out to him thirty pieces of silver. And from then on he {began} looking for a good opportunity to betray Him. (Matt 26:14-16)

And Judas Iscariot, who was one of the twelve, went off to the chief priests, in order to betray Him to them. And they were glad when they heard {this,} and promised to give him money. And he {began} seeking how to betray Him at an opportune time. (Mark 14:10-11 NAS)

However, the “devil” of John 13:1-2 is often associated with “Satan” of John 13:27: 27 And after the morsel, Satan then entered into him (Judas - my emphasis). Jesus therefore said to him, “What you do, do quickly.”

Examining Strong’s and Thayer’s Greek definition for “Satan” listed below, we find that the Thayer’s definition for “satanas” is more consistent with the Old Testament understanding of the Hebrew word “satan” as “adversary”.

Strong: 4567 Satanas (sat-an-as’); of Aramaic origin corresponding to 4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:

What about this passage in 1 John 3:
7Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

10In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

What is the nature of sin and righteousness in this passage? What is the nature of the works of the Devil and the Devil’s sin which was from the beginning? Personally, I don’t think this is talking about doing bad things verses good things. I think it has to do with the righteousness of God verses the righteousness of man. If we do not make this distinction many scriptures can become quite confusing.

Why were Cain’s works evil and Abel’s works righteous? Both offered a sacrifice. One was accepted and the other rejected. Cain (the first born, type of OC) gave from the produce of his fields. Abel (the younger, a type of the NC) gave the first born from his flock as an offering (perhaps a type of Christ, the firstborn who was given?). Abel’s offering which included the shedding of blood was acceptable. Cain’s was not. Perhaps this showed that the offering of Christ, the Lamb of God, was acceptable. No other offering would do.

In this we can see nature of the righteousness John speaks of and the works of the Devil as well. The righteousness here is the righteousness of God. The evil was that which was of the realm of the flesh or the realm of the potential of man both good and evil.

Here is where the rubber meets the road in a right understanding of what this sin is here. We all should know that Christians sin all the time. If we did not sin there would be no need for Christ to die for our sins.

What lie or sin did the devil tell from the beginning? “Ye shall be as God’s.” What was the lie told by the devil (diabolos), man the “adversary”. false accusers who were opposing the cause of God in the Old Testament?

Under the law you can be just as righteous as God. So what was the sin here? Was is robbing a gas station or stealing a car? No, the sin was believing that practicing “your righteousness” under the law you could be as righteous as God.
We see these two examples all over the Bible. There is the spirit of the devil and those’s who work in the spirit of him. And there is the spirit of God and those who do the will of God and have the righteousness of God.

I can see angels and demons as figurative. Here in Matt.22:30 we have people as angels of God and then there is Judas who was as a devil.

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God[22:30 NU-Text omits [of God.] ] in heaven.

In Heb.1:13 angels are considered ministering Spirits, when we preach the gospel we can be of a ministering Spirit or have a ministering Spirit working through us.

Hebrews 1
13But to which of the angels has He ever said: “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?

14Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

[InChristAlways]

You just simply still don't get it. 70 A.D. has come and gone. Jesus WILL return in the near future. So you are so utterly confused and Satan has played HAVOC with your mind. Must be nice to be on the wrong path. Then you don't have to suffer the slings and arrows of the devil, cause you are already screwed up. He has you where he wants you. You are no longer a threat to him because you are so far from the truth, it is beyond words or helping you.

May God Help You,

MichaelCHi MC. You interpret the bible as bad as the jews and muslims do. Can you tell me what the King of the North and Gog represent in scripture? Hint, it is the same exact event as revelation 19/20!!! NO literal "1000yrs".
What does the "Day God Glorifies Himself" mean to you btw. Are you saying God lied and didn't glorify Himself to Israel and the world in the first century as prophecied? And why does Jesus need to return to earth "physically" again as I thought He said He wasn't of this world? Blessings.

Dani 11:45 "And he["GOG"] shall plant the tents of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and no one will help him.

Ezekiel 39:1 "And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I [am] against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal;12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the Day that I am Glorified," says the Lord GOD.

Isaiah 1:1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah. 2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth! For the LORD has spoken: "I have nourished and brought up children, And they have rebelled against Me; 3 The ox knows its owner And the donkey its master's crib; [b]Israel does not know, My people do not consider." 4 Alas, sinful nation, A people laden with iniquity, A brood of evildoers, Children who are corrupters! They have forsaken the LORD, They have provoked to anger The Holy One of Israel, They have turned away backward.

[Slayer-2004]

You interpret the bible as bad as the jews and muslims do.

Yes . I am sure your interpretation of the bible is the True interpretation(tm) of the True god(tm) as taught by your True church(tm) .

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Slayer 2000,

Thanks for your refreshing insight as to what I'm saying. You know the truth and you will go to heaven for it, God Willing. I mean, it talks about the latter days and end times so much in the Bible and that certainly isn't 70 AD. I'd rather believe Jesus will return soon to a sinless earth than believe that 70 A.D. stuff. It does say in the Bible, and the earth shall make itself white.

Please feel free, if not impelled, to chat here again. I need help. I don't know why some of those on this chat keep thinking 70 A.D. is when Jesus came.

May God Shine Light in Your Heart and Mind Always,

MichaelCadry
:eek:

[Hidden Manna]

Dear Slayer 2000,

Thanks for your refreshing insight as to what I'm saying. You know the truth and you will go to heaven for it, God Willing. I mean, it talks about the latter days and end times so much in the Bible and that certainly isn't 70 AD. I'd rather believe Jesus will return soon to a sinless earth than believe that 70 A.D. stuff. It does say in the Bible, and the earth shall make itself white.

Please feel free, if not impelled, to chat here again. I need help. I don't know why some of those on this chat keep thinking 70 A.D. is when Jesus came.

May God Shine Light in Your Heart and Mind Always,

MichaelCadry
:eek:

Second Appearing

When we look at the pattern of the Old Covenant system concerning the Priesthood service in the tabernacle of Moses, it becomes clear how Jesus would have fulfilled all things during the time of that Generation.

The high priest did not have to wait 2000 years to come out of the Holy of Holies on the Day of Judgment “Atonement”. If he did not come out within a short period of time there would not have been any salvation for Israel, and the High Priest would have been struck dead.

During that time of waiting for Jesus to appear the second time the early church was saved by faith. They looked forward to their salvation even though they were saved by faith through grace, but their faith was in something still hoped for “second appearing”.


Hebrews 9:28 is generally one of the first verses offered as proof there is to be a yet future return of Jesus. Let us notice a few things about the text.

The inspired writer says in verse 26 Jesus had appeared “once” to put away sin by sacrificing himself. The Greek word translated once is “hapax” and normally means “once for all time,” see Jude 3, I Peter 3:18. The writer then says Jesus “shall appear the second time unto salvation,” vs. 28.

In Luke 21 Jesus spoke of Jerusalem’s coming destruction: “then shall they see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory” vs. 27. He said “when these things come to pass then look up and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh” vs. 28. In verse 32 he said it would be in that generation.
The word “redemption” used here is the identical word used in Romans 3:24; 8:23; I Corinthians 1:30; Ephesians 1:7,14, etc. to speak of the redemption of salvation.

With these few facts before us let us draw a conclusion.
One complete salvation DID NOT come at the cross according to the Apostles. And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
(Romans 13:11-12). who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. (1 Peter 5)
These statement were made some years after the cross. And according to Peter their complete salvation was ready to be revealed in the last time of the old covenant.

Salvation was ratified or confirmed through His Cross [not at the Cross], and consummated in His Parousia. Think about it - if salvation was all in all secured at or on the Cross, then they had no need to further look for its completion.

Christ’s Coming in AD70 completed it. Again, salvation came through or via the Cross of Calvary, the Victory of the Cross had an out working to completion in that generation. This is NOT saying that there was some inherent deficiency in the Cross, NO, it is saying the process of salvation started and finished with the Coming of God in Christ - His First and Second comings being the book-ends of Salvation - both encapsulating the Cross.
Hebrews 9:28 says Jesus would appear a second time, not many times, unto salvation. Jesus said he was going to return at the destruction of Jerusalem and this would be the redemption [salvation] of his Body. (Luke 21:20-28) He said it would be in that generation. (Luke 21:23) Therefore Jesus’ return in the destruction of Jerusalem, for the purpose of redemption, is the return of Hebrews 9:28.

The force of the word “second” as used here is the same as “once;” Christ would not appear again and again. When did our High Priest come out from the Holy of Holies to present Himself to the people? This question seems to be ignored by many Christians today. It is of vital importance, however, because unless our High Priest appears out side of Holy of Holies who can be saved? The Bible explains and interprets itself.

The example is set in the Old Testament. Every year on the Day of Atonement the high priest would enter in to the Presence behind the veil in the Holiest of all. “Also the tenth day of this seventh month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the LORD. And you shall do no work on that same day, for it is the Day of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the LORD your God.” (Leviticus 23:27,28)

The High Priest must come out from the Holy of Holies to present Himself to the people so they know the blood of the sacrifice atoned for their sins. If the High Priest does not appear the people have no assurance of salvation. No appearance, no forgiveness.
Since Christ’s coming in 70 was the coming for redemption, and since he was to return only once for salvation per Hebrews 9:28, then Christ’s return in 70 was the final coming of Christ.
This conclusion is corroborated in Hebrews 10:33-39. The writer addresses Christ’s coming in judgment and salvation: “For yet in a very little while, the Coming One will come and he will not delay.” [Tragically, most of God’s people insist he HAS DELAYED! which makes him a false prophet

The Bible has a standard of determining the validity of a prophet! It is Jehovah himself that gave the criteria for determining whether a prophet was true or false; if a prophet’s prediction did not come true he was a false prophet, Deuteronomy 18:15ff. If God does not keep the WHEN part of his promises, he has not kept his promise!

In the margin of your Bible, beside Hebrews 9:28, write Luke 21:28 and Hebrews 10:33-39. These verses give divine commentary on Hebrews 9:28.

Upon what basis can anyone postulate a future coming of Christ? He promised to come [once] again for salvation. He said when it would be; and he kept his word. It is something to ponder.


Act 1:9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they were looking stedfastly into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 who also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye looking into heaven? this Jesus, who was received up from you into heaven shall so come in like manner as ye beheld him going into heaven.

Verse 11 says, “...shall so come in like manner as ye beheld him going into heaven.” How exactly did Christ “go into heaven?” Verse 9 says, “...a cloud received him out of their sight.”

Now compare these.
Mat 24:30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat 26:64 Jesus said unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Henceforth ye shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night-visions, and, behold, there came with the clouds of heaven one like unto a son of man, and he came even to the ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Isa 19:1 The burden of Egypt. Behold, Jehovah rideth upon a swift cloud, and cometh unto Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall tremble at his presence; and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.

God coming with clouds of glory is a recurring theme throughout Scripture.

[Vivian]

2 Peter 3

1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

[Hidden Manna]

2 Peter 3

1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;


The problems with the traditional view of the literal “heavens and earth” being destroyed, buy literal fire, if the literal “heavens and earth” were NOT destroyed by water.
The apostle Peter makes a distribution of the world into heaven and earth, and saith they were destroyed with water, and perished. (2 Peter 3:5-6)

We know that neither the fabric nor substance of the one or other was literally destroyed, but only the men that liveth on the earth was destroyed. The apostle goes on to tells us in (verse 7) of the heaven and earth then, were ready to be destroyed by Fire.

If that heaven and earth that was destroyed by water were the inhabitants of the world, were does Peter say he was changing context and shifts gears in verse 7 to a literal physical world?

It is certain that the apostle Peter intends by the world, with its heaven, and earth (verses. 5, 6), which was destroyed; is the same kind, he intends by the heavens and the earth that were to be consumed and destroyed by fire in (verse. 7); It is certain that by the flood, the world, or the fabric of heaven and earth, was not literally destroyed, but only the inhabitants of the world; and therefore the destruction intimated to succeed by fire is not of the substance of the literal heavens and the earth, but the inhabitants of the world.

Jesus also said: I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? (Luke 12:49) Paul goes on to say that God would bring a righteous judgment on the Jews in his day, who were troubling the saints. This would happen when Jesus was revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

(2 Thessalonians 1:1-8) John speaking of this very same event had this to say. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (Revelation 20:9) Where was this beloved city were fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them all?

The beloved city of the Jews called Jerusalem. The writer of Hebrews said: For our God (is) a consuming fire. (Hebrews 12:29)

The time of this creation of the heaven and earth that Peter tells us about are mentioned in Isaiah 51:16. Planting the heavens and laying the foundation of the earth, was performed by God when He divided the sea (ver. 15) and gave the law (ver. 16), and said to Zion, Thou art my people; that is, when He took the children of Israel out of Egypt, and formed them in the wilderness into a church and state; then He planted the heavens and laid the foundation of the earth: that is, brought forth order, and government.

Hebrews 12 speaks of the passing of this heaven and earth, established at Sinai, and the deliverance of the unshakable kingdom of God, the church, 12:21-28. Peter tells them, that after the destruction of this same ‘heaven and earth’ that he speaks of (verse 7), “ We, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth,’ etc. They had this expectation. But what is that promise? Where may we find it? We find it in Isaiah 65:17-19.

“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing, and her people a joy will rejoice in Jerusalem, And joy in My people; The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her, Nor the voice of crying.

God brought the flood because mankind was evil “every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” God brought the flood because of SIN. But in Genesis 8:21 God looked down through time; knowing “the imagination of man’s heart is evil from youth” God vowed to never again destroy every living creature. God destroyed the world by the flood because the world was wicked. But God knew that man would not change therefore he vowed to never again destroy the world! Psalms 78; Psalms 96:10; Psalms 119:89-90; Ecclesiastes 1:4; Isaiah 45:17; Now the New Testament unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus (throughout all ages, world without end Amen). (Ephesians 3:21 JKV)

Question
We know that neither the fabric nor substance of the one or other was literally destroyed, but only the men that liveth on the earth was destroyed. The apostle goes on to tells us in (verse 7) of the heaven and earth then, were ready to be destroyed by Fire.
(1) If the heaven and earth that was destroyed by water were NOT literally destroyed but the inhabitants of the world, were does Peter say he was changing context and shifts gears in verse 7 to mean the literal physical world?

Paul in his letter to the church of Thessalonians said God would bring a righteous judgment on the Jews in his day, who were troubling the saints. Which we say God did on Judgment day in 70 A.D.

(2) Were does Paul say this righteous judgment on the Jews of his day who were troubling the saints could happen thousands of years away from his days? My Bible says. Paul was looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ in his day (Titus 2:13)

[InChristAlways]

13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;Hidden MannaJesus also said: I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? (Luke 12:49) Paul goes on to say that God would bring a righteous judgment on the Jews in his day, who were troubling the saints. This would happen when Jesus was revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The problems with the traditional view of the literal “heavens and earth” being destroyed, buy literal fire, if the literal “heavens and earth” were NOT destroyed by water.
The apostle Peter makes a distribution of the world into heaven and earth, and saith they were destroyed with water, and perished. (2 Peter 3:5-6)

We know that neither the fabric nor substance of the one or other was literally destroyed, but only the men that liveth on the earth was destroyed. The apostle goes on to tells us in (verse 7) of the heaven and earth then, were ready to be destroyed by Fire.Hebrews 12 speaks of the passing of this heaven and earth, established at Sinai, and the deliverance of the unshakable kingdom of God, the church, 12:21-28. Peter tells them, that after the destruction of this same ‘heaven and earth’ that he speaks of (verse 7), “ We, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth,’ etc. They had this expectation. But what is that promise? Where may we find it? We find it in Isaiah 65:17-19.
HM. Of course you are correct. I suppose that is why Jesus said for "those that have Ears let him hear".

Vivian. So are we who believe unto Jesus Christ of the NC heaven and earth? Did not God remove the OC Temple in the first century as prophecied in the OT and NT and Revelation? I would hope so, or else Jesus and Paul were False Prophets and Daniel's people were not delivered as promised in Daniel 12 and Zech 14.

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love the fulfillment of the law. [i]11 And [do] this, knowing the time, that now high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation [is] nearer than when we [first] believed. [i]12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.

Hebrew 12:27 Now this, "Yet once more," indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear. 29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.

[Vivian]

A question I ponder, hidden manna and inchristalways, is if Christ has returned and made all things new and the new heaven and new earth await believers, then what is the problem? Why do you insist on pounding this fact into believers, who will enter the glorious world awaiting them upon their physical death?

Does it matter what they think as long as they believe in their Savior? Or must they believe as you claim?



vivian

[InChristAlways]

Xavier in another thread: Depends what you mean by obsolete... Preterists (like DDW and myself) believe that large portions of Revelation were fulfilled in the Jewish Wars up to and including the Destruction of Temple. http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52820

A question I ponder, hidden manna and inchristalways, is if Christ has returned and made all things new and the new heaven and new earth await believers, then what is the problem? Why do you insist on pounding this fact into believers, who will enter the glorious world awaiting them upon their physical death?

Does it matter what they think as long as they believe in their Savior? Or must they believe as you claim?


vivianHi Vivian. The problem is the reliability and Truthfullness and credibility of Scripture and not just believers but unbelievers.
I have been on jewish forums where christians have actually abandoned Christ as they feel the real messiah is the one the jews are expecting!

Another words, I talk with jews, muslims, atheists and others and one point that is continually brought up is that Christ did not fulfill the scriptures in His generation, which is what I believe revelation is, that fulfillment.
Dani 11:45 And He shall pitch His palatial tents between the Sea and the glorious Holy Mountain; yet He shall come to His End, with none to help Him.

Daniel 12:1 And At That Time shall Michael Stand Up, the Great Prince who standeth for the Children of thy People; and there shall be a Time of Trouble, such as never was since there Was A Nation even to That Same Time; and at That Time thy People shall be Delivered, every one that shall be found Written in the Book. I believe in Christ, and the devineness and non falseness of the Whole Bible, but unfortunately, there are sites up that pose serious challanges to the bible itself, these being 2 of them.
Why not take the challenge and refute these people as I am trying to do. Does it matter as far as our salvation in Christ, NO! But it does matter in finding out if Jesus did indeed fulfill the prohecies He spoke of to the jews and Daniel's people in that century. Blessings
http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/paulthe.htm
We have seen that Paul's picture of God's sovereignty doesn't exist in the Scriptures. We might call this the DNA evidence against him (Doctrine Not Accurate). It is an important part of the case against him. But it is by no means all the evidence there is against his supposed authority. There is more than enough evidence to suggest that he was not even a true apostle of Yahshua let alone the greatest apostle who ever lived as he is so often eulogized.

There are a number of historical facts, quotations from Paul, and quotations from Yahshua recorded in the New Testament that leave us with some quite compelling evidence against his apostleship being recognized in heaven.

There are several interesting facts surrounding this case that should be noted and kept in mind. They are:

1.His apostleship was unrecognized by others.


http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html

No examination of false prophecy in the Bible would be complete without taking a brief tour through the doctrinal contradictions and obviously false prophecies of the book of Daniel. Anyone who reads Daniel's prophecies cannot help but experience the jarring dissonance and the confusing sense that comes from being led down a garden path and then abruptly dropped to the ground by the obviously unfulfilled and false nature of the prophecies the book relates.

[Hidden Manna]

A question I ponder, hidden manna and inchristalways, is if Christ has returned and made all things new and the new heaven and new earth await believers, then what is the problem? Why do you insist on pounding this fact into believers, who will enter the glorious world awaiting them upon their physical death?

Does it matter what they think as long as they believe in their Savior? Or must they believe as you claim?



vivian

Hi Vivian,

The point would be to assure that we are speaking the word in truth and love about who Jesus is and what He has done. To say otherwise makes Him out to be a liar and the makes the believers look like they are hyper futurist that are going to someday live in a fantasy world where they will fly around with physical bodies that defy the laws of gravity and to able to walk though walks in flesh and bone.

Jesus said very clearly that the Kingdom comes without observation but the futuristic view denies that by says that a 1,500x 1,500 miles cube city will fall down from the sky and by called the New Jerusalem.

The main point is by proclaiming the truth about what happened in AD 70 will prove that we know Him and that He now indwells us "His temple" making our salvation complete. Another good reason is because the old temple was destroyed make way for God to tabernacle with us instead of the OC system. :teeth:

Problems with the futurist views of the second coming and salvation.

Sometimes Christians seem to forget, that when it comes to the Bible we are reading someone else’s mail. The Epistles, are just that, letters. ... The letters of the New Testament were not written to us. Consider what the letters say, such as; (To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints. Romans 1:7), (To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 1:2), (To the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints who are in all Achaia. 2 Corinthians 1:2 (To the church of Galatia. Galatians 1:2), (To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 1:1), (To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with the bishops and deacons. Philippians 1:1), (To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse. Colossians 1:2), ( To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 1:1)

(To Timothy, a true son in the faith Timothy. 1:2) (To Titus, a true son in our common faith. Titus 1:4) (To Philemon our beloved and fellow laborer Philemon 1:1), (To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad James 1:1) (To the seven churches of Asia. 1 Peter 1:1) and the list goes on. These were letters written to first century people and first century churches about first century situations and events. God has preserved these letters for us today for our learning, instruction, and comfort but they were not written to us. They were written to first century people.
End quote;

How true a statement.
We are in effect reading someone else’s mail. When we read these letters we must understand them as they were written. When the writer told the readers that these events would happen ‘soon’, he was talking about events that were about to happen at that time in the first century. We have absolutely no problem understanding this principle when reading the Old Testament, why so much problem understanding it in the New Testament?

Secondly, and just as important, we must remember that the New Testament was written during what has been called the “transition period,” or as I have come to call it, the “new exodus” (See I Corinthians 10: 1-11 ). During this new exodus, the people of God did not have His Word written on stone tablets like Old Covenant Israel. Therefore, God gave the maturing “man” a group of men (the Apostles) to guide them to the promised rest, i.e., the completed New Covenant Age of Christ.

This is what scholarship calls “the already but not yet” of the New Testament, meaning that there were parts of salvation already being “tasted,” but the consummation was yet to come (cf Ephesians 2:8 with Romans 13:11). That salvation was predicted, foreshadowed, and proclaimed in the Old Testament. It was a salvation that would be fulfilled and realized fully consummated at His Presence in the end of the old-covenant age in A.D. 70. The cross was the beginning of salvation not the full consummation of salvation.

(Hebrews 9:28)
Salvation didn’t come at the cross. It didn’t come at Pentecost. It didn’t come at the ascension. According to the pattern of the Old Testament, forgiveness of sins came when the high priest came out from the Presence behind the veil. Jesus, representing us, was in the Presence of God at the time of the writing of Hebrews. All of that generation knew it would take the return of Jesus to complete the work of atonement. Thus they spoke of this redemptive work as a hope. Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. (1 Peter 1:5) Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.(1Peter 1:9) Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace [that should come] unto you: (1Peter 1:10)

Salvation i.e., “deliverance” was inaugurated in the ministry of Jesus. It was ratified or confirmed through His Cross [not at the Cross], and consummated in His Parousia. Think about it - if salvation was all in all secured at or on the Cross, then what need was there further - do you follow? And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation is nearer than when we believed . (Roman 13:11)

The Cross was the linch-pin, the central part in securing our salvation, however, Christ’s Coming in AD70 completed it. Again, salvation came through or via the Cross of Calvary, the Victory of the Cross had an out working to completion in that generation. This is NOT saying that there was some inherent deficiency in the Cross, NO, it is saying the process of salvation started and finished with the parousia of God in Christ - His First and the parousia being the book-ends of Salvation - both encapsulating the Cross.

The disciples know salvation started at the cross but was NOT completed at the cross. Their Christian hope rested on the oath and promise of God. They also knew there High Priest would return before that generation passed away. Jesus emphasized this in His teaching. So they waited in eager anticipation for the finished work of salvation, or atonement. Peter wrote of these things: “. . . who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” (1 Peter 1:5)

When did our High Priest come out from the Holy of Holies to present Himself to the people? This question seems to be ignored by many Christians today. It is of vital importance, however, because unless our High Priest appears who can be saved? The Bible explains and interprets itself.

The example is set in the Old Testament. Every year on the Day of Atonement the high priest would enter in to the Presence behind the veil in the Holiest of all. “Also the tenth day of this seventh month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the LORD. And you shall do no work on that same day, for it is the Day of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the LORD your God.” (Leviticus 23:27,28)

The High Priest must come out from the Holy of Holies to present Himself to the people so they know the blood of the sacrifice atoned for their sins. If the High Priest does not appear the people have no assurance of salvation. No appearance, no forgiveness.
Jesus Christ is our High Priest. “This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.” (Hebrews 6:19, 20) It is obvious by these verses that He did enter the Presence behind the veil. And the Christians of that generation waited!
(Hebrews 9:28)
Jesus, representing us, was in the Presence of God at the time of the writing of Hebrews. All of that generation knew it would take the return of Jesus to complete the work of atonement. Thus they spoke of this redemptive work as a hope.

If Christ didn’t return, as some Christians would have us believe, then no one can truly say he has complete salvation. If Christ hasn’t come out from the Presence behind the veil, then the work of atonement is an unfinished work. Here is but another folly of Futurism.

The good news is Jesus did return! (The good news, or Gospel, is not preached correctly unless the Second Coming of Christ is included.) So if he has not returned then no Christian can say they are saved they can only say that they have a hope of salvation. If the New Covenant believer has been waiting for yet another stage of Christ’s work then what makes the New Covenant any better than the Old?

Question
(1)Were did any of disciples/Jewish writer of the New Testament say their salvation was completed at the cross without the High Priest coming out from behind the veil, or out of the Holy of Holies to present Himself to the people so they know the blood of the sacrifice atoned for their sins?

(2) Were does any of disciples / Jewish writers of the New Testament say complete salvation that came with the parousia was 2.000 years away.

(3) Were in the Old Testament does it teach the High Priest come out from the Holy of Holies thousands of years away from the first?

(4) If salvation was completed at the cross why did Paul say their salvation is nearer than when they believed years after the cross? . (Romans 13:11) These questions are but other follys of Futurism.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Vivian,

Thanks again for being there for me!! These two, Hidden Manna and InChrist Always are ranting about verses in the Bible that they take out of context and ascern a new meaning to them. They will definitely be very surprised when things come to the full.

Again, Vivian, thanks SO MUCH!!!!


With the Adoration of God and His Son, and His Angels,

MichaelCadry

[Hidden Manna]

A question I ponder, hidden manna and inchristalways, is if Christ has returned and made all things new and the new heaven and new earth await believers, then what is the problem? Why do you insist on pounding this fact into believers, who will enter the glorious world awaiting them upon their physical death?

Does it matter what they think as long as they believe in their Savior? Or must they believe as you claim?



vivian

Thanks Vivan for affirming as you said this FACT that Christ has returned and made all things new and the new heaven and new earth.

MC thinks we are picking on him and you say we are pounding this FACT into believers. I guess the same could be said of Jesus, John and Paul. Thanks again for your observation.

If I hated you people I would have just kept silent and let you live in your misery of not believing these FACTS. LOL and God Bless

[barnasha]

"I am The Lord your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:2-3 RSV)

a "fact" is an idol, a "god before". be perfect by not making mistakes, "be perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect". there is no need to have 'sides', or consider religions right (in place of God being right),

that is all stuff of the world, lift thine eyes hillward!!!

[InChristAlways]

"I am The Lord your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:2-3 RSV)

a "fact" is an idol, a "god before". be perfect by not making mistakes, "be perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect". there is no need to have 'sides', or consider religions right (in place of God being right),

that is all stuff of the world, lift thine eyes hillward!!!Of course you are correct. Then why do so many eyes focus on "physical" Jesus, Israel and Jerusalem today instead of the Jerusalem above? Didn't God glorify Himself to Israel in the first century by the destruction of their Idol Temple and city?
I indeed lift my eyes to the NAME of Jesus Christ, the glory of God and not down to this "earthly" world. Good post bro.

Isaiah 30:25 There will be on every high mountain And on every high hill Rivers [and] streams of waters, In the day of the great slaughter, When the towers fall. 26 Moreover the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, And the light of the sun will be sevenfold, As the light of seven days, In the day that the LORD binds up the bruise of His people And heals the stroke of their wound. 27 Behold, the name of the LORD comes from afar, Burning [with] His anger, And [His] burden heavy; His lips are full of indignation, And His tongue like a devouring fire.

Ezekiel 39:[i]12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the Day that I am Glorified," says the Lord GOD.

[Hidden Manna]

"I am The Lord your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:2-3 RSV)

a "fact" is an idol, a "god before". be perfect by not making mistakes, "be perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect". there is no need to have 'sides', or consider religions right (in place of God being right),

that is all stuff of the world, lift thine eyes hillward!!!

Okay wiseguy, the word fact may have one word that means that, but in modern day understanding this is not the case. Perphaps Vivian should have stated that the word “Fact” that she was using had a strange twist to it’s well know meaning. However I doubt seriously that she meant an idol. duh

7 entries found for fact .

fact P Pronunciation Key (f kt)
n.
Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.

Idiom:
in (point of) fact
In reality or in truth; actually.

[Latin factum ,deed , from neuter past participle of facere ,to do . See dh -in Indo-European Roots.]
Usage Note: Fact has a long history of usage in the sense “allegation of fact,” as in “This tract was distributed to thousands of American teachers, but the facts and the reasoning are wrong” (Albert Shanker). This practice has led to the introduction of the phrases true facts and real facts, as in The true facts of the case may never be known. These usages may occasion qualms among critics who insist that facts can only be true, but the usages are often useful for emphasis.

Result of search for "fact":

170 'Oholah o-hol-aw' in form a feminine of 168 , but in fact for .Oholahh {o-hol-aw'}; from 168 ; her tent (i.e. idolatrous sanctuary); Oholah, a symbol. name for Samaria:--Aholah.

983 betach beh'takh from 982 ; properly, a place of refuge; abstract, safety, both the fact (security) and the feeling (trust); often (adverb with or without preposition) safely:--assurance, boldly, (without) care(- less), confidence, hope, safe(-ly, -ty), secure, surely.
:whack:

Good one ICA :b_woot:

[Warrior 4 Jesus]

Hi, I'm new to this site (don't even have an avatar yet).

This is a pretty deep discussion and I don't know if I have the brains to handle it. I don't want to write MichaelCadry off as a false prophet, but some of the stuff he says doesn't seem to line up with the Scriptures. We have to remember to not put our own interpretation into God's Word. I do agree that the Second Coming hasn't happened yet and that the Last Days are soon but only God the Father knows the day or the hour. I'm going to have faith and put my trust in the Jesus Christ. I personally think that's all that matters!

By the way, I've read the Left Behind books and while they are interesting, often there are two many Bible verses in the books - hello, this is meant to be fiction, not a devotional! They are also not terribly well written and last of all the theology of the books is major screwy.
We shouldn't worry ourselves to death about the Last Days but have faith in Jesus and tell people of Him in order that the Kingdom of Heaven grows.

Having faith in Jesus is one thing. Keeping that faith is another thing altogether. I think there need to be more resources that encourage and aid struggling Christians and less of this bashing other Christian beliefs.

God Bless you guys!


Christian

[Hidden Manna]

Hi, I'm new to this site (don't even have an avatar yet).

This is a pretty deep discussion and I don't know if I have the brains to handle it. I don't want to write MichaelCadry off as a false prophet, but some of the stuff he says doesn't seem to line up with the Scriptures. We have to remember to not put our own interpretation into God's Word. I do agree that the Second Coming hasn't happened yet and that the Last Days are soon but only God the Father knows the day or the hour. I'm going to have faith and put my trust in the Jesus Christ. I personally think that's all that matters!

By the way, I've read the Left Behind books and while they are interesting, often there are two many Bible verses in the books - hello, this is meant to be fiction, not a devotional! They are also not terribly well written and last of all the theology of the books is major screwy.
We shouldn't worry ourselves to death about the Last Days but have faith in Jesus and tell people of Him in order that the Kingdom of Heaven grows.

Having faith in Jesus is one thing. Keeping that faith is another thing altogether. I think there need to be more resources that encourage and aid struggling Christians and less of this bashing other Christian beliefs.

God Bless you guys!


Christian

Hi W4J, welcome to this forum

To understand out study of the “last days” and show how it could be possible, they were fulfilled in the last days of the Old Covenant there are three very important Biblical truths that must be established. First, the years from the cross to the desolation of Jewish system in Jerusalem in the A.D. 70 is the last days of the covenant of the law. It is stated time and again that the New Testament was written in the final years of the “world that then was,” otherwise known as the Old Covenant or Old Testament era (Heb. 1:2). This is the period of the “last days”, or “end of the age,” which saw its fulfillment.

By presenting Scripture in such a way, as to allow it to speak for Itself, we will see that the New Testament is a collection of books written in the “last days” of the Old Covenant, all of which display the ‘earnest expectation’ of the believers that the last days would be in their lifetimes.

Second, The faithfulness of God. Remember, God is faithful, II Peter 3:9. “God is not a man that he should lie,” Numbers 23:19. The faithfulness of God not only involves doing WHAT has been promised, it means doing it WHEN IT WAS PROMISED

Third, The time statements in the Bible. In Daniel 10-12 is a vision encompassing a period of time from 536 BC to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD; about 600 years. Two times in this text Daniel was told “the appointed time is long” and “the vision refers to many days to come” (10:1,14). Remember, this vision was relayed to Daniel from God. While God is not bound by time, he was communicating to man who is bound to time. God called this 600 year period of time “long;” he said it involved “many days.” God can most assuredly tell time and read a calendar!

Before we begin our study on the last days let me first say that while God is not bound by time like man when God speaks to man He speaks in a language that man can understand, thus when something is said to happens “soon” in man’s time God is recognized as “faithful and true” to His promise when it is fulfilled. God gives us an illustrations of His “true faithfulness” in the event of the birth of Isaac. Isaac was born at the set time of which God promised Abraham (see Genesis 18:13-14; 21:1-3)

The Bible says it is inspired, II Timothy 3:16. The original word translated “inspired” literally means “God breathed.” The thought of the Bible being from God suggests that since God is perfect or infallible, and the Bible is from Him it ought to be infallible as well. Specifically, if the Bible made a promise that something would happen within a specified time frame, if that event did not happen when and as promised the Bible’s claim to inspiration falls.

It is Jehovah himself that gave the criteria for determining whether a prophet was true or false; if a prophet’s prediction did not come true (within the time the prophet said it would) he was a false prophet, (see Deuteronomy 18:19-22) If God does not keep the when part of his promises, he has not kept his promise! The inspiration of the scriptures demands complete fulfillment of every aspect of God’s promises.

God’s years are endless; “from everlasting to everlasting thou art God” Psalms 90:2. Isaiah calls Jehovah “the Father of eternity” 9:6-9. However when God communicate with man, he uses (time statements) that man can understand. What are time statements?
The time statements are how “God communicates with man in terms of Time.” The time statements are literal imminent statements as seen in (Genesis 18:13-14; 21:1-3) The time statements refer to soon events of Jewish importance.

In Ezekiel 7, God through Ezekiel said the Day of the Lord was at hand. The Day of the Lord in this context was when God used Babylon to punish Israel for her sin. This is the concept of the Day of the Lord; it is not an “end of time” idea. It is when God used a nation to punish another as it related to his chosen people. In chapter 11 Israel responded to the threat of coming judgment. They insisted that although Ezekiel said it was at hand it was really not. It was time to build houses, not worry about judgment. One can almost hear some of those people: “Well, yes, Ezekiel has said the Day of the Lord is at hand, but after all, ‘one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day,’ Psalms 90:4”

When Israel “elasticized” God’s words of imminence into relativity, ambiguity and meaning-less-ness, God responded. In Ezekiel 12:21ff, [Please, take the time to get your Bible and read it for yourself!] Adonai told Ezekiel to tell Israel that her days of changing the time for his predictions were over. He had said judgment was at hand; Israel said it was not at hand. Jehovah would not tolerate it.

Ezekiel was instructed to tell Israel that in that generation judgment would fall just as Jehovah had indicated when he said it was at hand. [Have you read those verses for yourself yet? If not, why not do it right now and see for yourself that what we are saying is true?] What we have then, is an example of man saying that while God had said something was imminent it really was not; it was for a long time off. We have God’s response; when God said “at hand” he meant “at hand!” He did not mean hundreds or thousands of years; he meant “soon!” God, Himself rebukes this interpretation of His time statements. “God employed the language of humanity to communicate His message in the Bible to humanity in humanity’s own time statements.

Another example of man changing the meaning of God’s time words is in Amos. God warned Israel the time had come for her to be judged, 8:2-3. In spite of the warnings Israel “put far off the evil day.” In spite of God’s warning that judgment was at hand they insisted “All things continue as they were,” They refused to believe God meant “the end has come.” As a result God said “Woe” to them for putting of His words! 6:3. As we have just seen if God do not keep the when part of the time statements then He has not kept his promise! Jehovah would not tolerate this interpretation of His time statements. He rebukes it Himself in scripture.

Most honest students of the Bible already realize that the New Testament is full of time statements that point to an imminent last days of the Old Covenant. Once Scripture is allowed to speak for itself, one cannot honestly deny the overwhelming amount of Scripture passages which declare that the last day prophecies were to “shortly come to pass.” By listing these numerous verses, we can see that the first century saints believed they were living in the last days of the Old Covenant. Peter specifies. “Who (Christ) verily was fore ordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.” (1 Peter 1:20)

The apostle John made a similar statement: 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. Here, the same word “eschatos” is used for “last.” However, the Greek word for “time” is slightly different, though very related: it is the Greek word “hora” defined by Strong’s as: 5610. hora, ho’-rah; appar. a prim. word; an “hour” (lit. or fig.):--day, hour, instant, season, X short, [even-] tide, (high) time.

John believed they were in the last or farthest season or hour of the Jewish age.

Peter specifies the range of this period, commonly called the “last days,” in his sermon in Acts 2:16-21. He declares that, it was fulfilling the prophecy of (Joel 2:28-32). What is significant about Peter’s statement is that he was claiming that they were in the last days. The writer of Hebrews expressed this identical sentiment as he began his discourse comparing the fading Old Covenant with the Everlasting New Covenant:

Hebrews 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, {2} Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Jesus was manifested, not at the beginning, or start of the last days but “during the last days.” The period between A.D. 30 and 70 is, as the apostle Peter describes it, “these last times” (1 Peter 1:20).

“Hath in these last days” the writer confirms. Without any speculation those in the first century believed they were in the last days. Certainly the writers of the New Testament were very aware of those passages we have studied involving the last days of Judah and Jerusalem. Therefore it is safe and logical to say that the New Testament writers believed that they were in the last days of the Jewish age.

The apostle John made this time statement: 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. Here, the same word “eschatos” is used for “last.” However, the Greek word for “time” is slightly different, though very related: it is the Greek word “hora” defined by Strong’s as: 5610. hora, ho’-rah; appar. a prim. word; an “hour” (lit. or fig.):--day, hour, instant, season, X short, [even-] tide, (high) time.

John believed they were in the last or farthest season or hour of the Jewish age. Paul believed the same:

Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. There are two different Greek words used here translated as “time.” In the first cause Paul says “knowing the time.” The Greek word here is “2540. kairos, kahee-ros’; of uncert. affin.; an occasion, i.e. set or proper time:--X always, opportunity, (convenient, due) season, (due, short, while) time, a while. Comp. G5550.” Strong’s.

In the second clause Paul uses the phrase “high time.” “High time” is the same Greek word used in first John. Both Paul and John firmly believed that they were in the last time or days of the Jewish age. Paul believed they were living in the end of the Jewish age as well: 1 Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the age are come.

Paul was describing the history of the Jews and their rebellion against God in the wilderness. We should not ignore the fact that Paul, in discussing the ancient rebellion which took place in the wilderness says it was written for their admonition, upon whom the ends of the age are come.

New consider the time statements of James as he addressed the unbelieving Jews: James 5:1-4 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Clearly James taught that these men were in the last days.

Jude, in describing the same group of unbelieving Jews, also speaks of this period, although with a different phrase: But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. (Jude 1:17-18)

The word “time” is the Greek word chronos, defined by Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance as: 5550. chronos, khron’-os; a space of time. The word “last” is defined as: 2078. eschatos, es’-khat-os; a superl. prob. from G2192 (in the sense of contiguity); farthest, final (of place or time):--ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost. Certainly we can conclude from Jude that they were in the farthest or uttermost space of time of the Jewish age. They were in the last days of the Jewish state.

The impression of the Apostles is the nearness of ‘the end’ is worthy of notice that there is a marked gradation in the language of the different epistles. Going from know that in the last days perilous times will come To the last times and the last times became the last days, and the last days become the last hour [escath wra esti]. The period of expectation and delay was now over and the decisive moment was at hand. “And that, knowing the time.. The night is far spent, the day is at hand. (“Romans 13:11-12)

There are many other passages that could be used to support the fact that the first-century believers and particularly the apostles believed unanimously that they were in the end of the Jewish age or the last days of the Jewish age. The fact is that anytime Scripture uses the phase “last days” it means, a period from 30-70 AD. This was the period during which the Apostles were preaching and writing, the “last days” of Old Covenant Israel before it was forever destroyed in the destruction of the Temple (and the Old Covenant sacrificial system) not the end of the world or physical universe.

God Bless

[Warrior 4 Jesus]

Woah, that's a lot to take in.
So when does the end of the world occur in your thinking? I'm not sure I'm convinced. I do believe the whole number of the beast thing was done in Nero's time, but I'm not sure about the other.
Are you saying that people die and go to heaven or hell and that the physical world continues to live on eternally in its fallen state? I'm sorry if I've misunderstood you as I'm deeply interested in theological topics but don't exactly have the gift for explaining my point to well.

Thanks and God Bless!


Christian

[InChristAlways]

Hidden MannaHi W4J, welcome to this forum

To understand out study of the “last days” and show how it could be possible, they were fulfilled in the last days of the Old Covenant there are three very important Biblical truths that must be established. First, the years from the cross to the desolation of Jewish system in Jerusalem in the A.D. 70 is the last days of the covenant of the law. It is stated time and again that the New Testament was written in the final years of the “world that then was,” otherwise known as the Old Covenant or Old Testament era (Heb. 1:2). This is the period of the “last days”, or “end of the age,” which saw its fulfillment.....................Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. There are two different Greek words used here translated as “time.” In the first cause Paul says “knowing the time.” The Greek word here is “2540. kairos, kahee-ros’; of uncert. affin.; an occasion, i.e. set or proper time:--X always, opportunity, (convenient, due) season, (due, short, while) time, a while. Comp. G5550.” Strong’s.
Woah, that's a lot to take in.
So when does the end of the world occur in your thinking? I'm not sure I'm convinced. I do believe the whole number of the beast thing was done in Nero's time, but I'm not sure about the other.
Are you saying that people die and go to heaven or hell and that the physical world continues to live on eternally in its fallen state? I'm sorry if I've misunderstood you as I'm deeply interested in theological topics but don't exactly have the gift for explaining my point to well.

Thanks and God Bless!


ChristianHi Warrior. If one believes that Jesus was the True Son of God, then one must believe all prophecies were fulfilled.
In any case, it doesn't affect yours or my salvation in Christ.
Go to the jewsforjudaism forum and you will see many christians that have converted to judaism[and even to Islam] because of confusion among the churches on what the Bible is saying. Btw, at the 7th plague, it is all over for "Daniel's people". Blessings.

John 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

Revelation 16:1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth." 17 And, the seventh, poured out his bowl upon the air.--And there came forth a loud voice out of the sanctuary, from the throne, saying--It is done!

reve 21:5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful." 6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands [watch] over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, [Even] to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

[InChristAlways]

double post. sorry.

[Hidden Manna]

Woah, that's a lot to take in.
So when does the end of the world occur in your thinking? I'm not sure I'm convinced. I do believe the whole number of the beast thing was done in Nero's time, but I'm not sure about the other.
Are you saying that people die and go to heaven or hell and that the physical world continues to live on eternally in its fallen state? I'm sorry if I've misunderstood you as I'm deeply interested in theological topics but don't exactly have the gift for explaining my point to well.

Thanks and God Bless!


Christian

No problem Warrior 4 Jesus, if you believe Nero was connected to 666 you believe as I do. The end of the world was the end of the Jewish age of the old covenant. No need to fear a literal ending of the planet as most futurist think would happen.

I believe people are either in hell or heaven as they live but it is in the spiritual realm.

In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus points to the temple and great buildings and says, “not one stone shall be left upon one another, that shall not be thrown down (Matt. 24:1-3; Mark 13:1-4; Luke 21:5-7). The disciples respond by asking two questions: 1) When will these things take place? And 2) What will be the sign of Your coming and the end of the age?

This refers to the destruction upon Jerusalem in 70 AD. Matthew 24:1-3 expressly refers solely to the destruction of the temple and Christ’s return at the end of the Jews age. The reference to the “end of the world,” in that scripture is literally translated “end of the age.” The Jewish age ended at the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple. “Jesus does not change subjects when the disciples ask the question when will these things take place? What things? The things about the Temple Jesus just mentioned in verse 1.

Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another, that will not be thrown down.” As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” (Matthew 24:1-3)

As Jesus’ disciples had just heard His prediction of “desolation” for the temple and city, they no doubt felt bewildered and wondered, “Lord, you cannot mean this temple!” They must have been astonished when Jesus told them that the temple was going to be destroyed, with not one stone left upon another. The disciples’ question involved three interrelated events: (1) the time of the temple’s destruction; (2) the signs that would signal Jesus’ Coming; and (3) the sign that would bring about the end of the age, compare parallel passages in Mark 13:4 and Luke 21:7. The disciples’ questions were related to the destruction of the temple and the end of the Jewish economy and to nothing else. There is no basis for a 2000-year “gap theory.”

Most carnal Bible interpreters think that the disciples wanted to know about the end of the planet. But the disciples did not ask about the end of the “world” (Gk. kosmos). Rather, with the temple and city as their main focus, they asked about the end of the “age” (Gk. aion). In Strong’s exhaustive concordance, it says of the word aion, “spec. (Jewish) a Messianic period (present).”

In Luke 21:20 we have other details of this predicted overthrow of the city and the Temple. There Jesus adds, “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.”

Then in verses 27-28 Jesus also goes on to says; then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

How many times have you heard in sermons that we have been redeemed? There is even a songs about it, “Redeemed, How I Love To Proclaim It, Since I Have Been Redeemed, Victory In Jesus” just to name a few. If the first century Christians were waiting to be redeemed, then we should be waiting to be redeemed if Jesus has not returned, in order to be consistent with the Bible. Futurists and here is a question for you. What and when is the “day of redemption”? Why do you teach something that goes against the word of God? See comments in Hebrews 9:28.

As long as the earthly Temple was still standing the way for man back into God’s eternal presence was Not open or manifested as Hebrews 9:8 clearly says. the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing.

If Christ has not come, then we are still waiting to be individually redeemed from our sins. Luke 21:28 “When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

It is time to get back to the clear teaching in the Bible

God Bless

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Warrior/Christian,

Well I've been waiting for someone like you to come here and clear things up, as you have. I cannot get through on this thread to the eyes and ears that are blinded and deafened by evil entities. I know MOST people feel like you and I want to thank you for sharing your proper, TRUE, views about the situation. It's gonna happen in no other way than what you say. None of us knows the day or hour, but at least we will surely know if not the day that our Lord Jesus does finally return. I'm sure He will make it clearly known to all because it says, and every knee shall bend and bow to the Lord upon His returning.

God Bless You Tons and Keep Posting,

MichaelCadry

[Vivian]

Hello InChristAlways and Hidden Manna,

If you desire to represent Jesus to the world faithfully, why not share the words that He spoke? That way there can be no distortion.

And if He thought we needed to know more, do you not think He would have provided more information?

There is a wealth of instructions that He gave that are ignored in favor of intellectualizing and debating issues that are more about our own egos than the message that He came to bring.

I am sure that the pharisees also had a list of scriptural references which they used to prove that Jesus was not as He claimed. And it was only to them that Jesus quoted scripture, to prove that they did not even understand what was written. To those with eyes to see and ears to hear, He spoke directly from His heart to theirs.

And beware of voices and incarnate presences that come to you as Jesus. There are many imposters out there, seeking to deceive those whose hearts are not pure. I can give you a list of people who are "following the Jesus that revealed Himself to them"! Funny how what each claims their Jesus tells them is completely different and contradictory to the others, yet each is convinced that their Jesus presence is the Real Thing (there is even one claiming to be the Real Jesus!) and all the others are imposters.

The truth is that none are the Real Thing. All our being deceived. I know how incredible these encounters with spiritual "Jesuses" can be and how we 'know' to the depths of soul that this is the Real Thing for I too have experienced one. But they are all astral plane entities. They are not what we think they are.




vivian

[barnasha]

Okay wiseguy, the word fact may have one word that means that, but in modern day understanding this is not the case. Perphaps Vivian should have stated that the word “Fact” that she was using had a strange twist to it’s well know meaning. However I doubt seriously that she meant an idol. duh


not trying to be semantic here. speaking a bit more deeply...

the knowledge of God by his creations does not precede Him. to FOCUS on facts about him, IE, worldly tidbits, to replace God with his worldly incantations (such as even the word 'God' itself!) is idolatry

[Hidden Manna]

not trying to be semantic here. speaking a bit more deeply...

the knowledge of God by his creations does not precede Him. to FOCUS on facts about him, IE, worldly tidbits, to replace God with his worldly incantations (such as even the word 'God' itself!) is idolatry

Sorry, but you are not making any sense at all to me. I understood that the knowledge of God by his creations does not precede Him. to FOCUS on facts about him, but the rest went right over my head. What do you mean that the word God is idolatry and to replace God with his worldly incantations?

[Vivian]

Sorry, but you are not making any sense at all to me. I understood that the knowledge of God by his creations does not precede Him. to FOCUS on facts about him, but the rest went right over my head. What do you mean that the word God is idolatry and to replace God with his worldly incantations?

Idolatry is worshipping the creation - which would be anything of form (words, books, persons) - instead of the Creator Himself.


vivian

[Krusader]

Idolatry is worshipping the creation - which would be anything of form (words, books, persons) - instead of the Creator Himself.


vivian

My goodness, Viv, wouldn't that include all those Gnostic writings you love to refer to?

[Pythagoras]

Afternoon Crusader,



My goodness, Viv, wouldn't that include all those Gnostic writings you love to refer to?

Actually idolatry is the worship of a compound One in three hypostastic God, -- or Godhead, or what not. The Hindus do exactly the same.

Sanskrit:Eko Deva Trimurthi.

'eko' -- One

'Deva'-- God

'Trimurti'-- Three Hypostasis.


best,

[Hidden Manna]

Idolatry is worshipping the creation - which would be anything of form (words, books, persons) - instead of the Creator Himself.


vivian

Agreed, but I yet to hear or see someone bow down to a book or words and worship them. :eek:

[MichaelCadry]

Dear All,

I must say, I have known Vivian for awhile, and she is very astute and learned, so please don't harp on her. She's more on track with things than most all of you, except Warrior is also quite right.

I never meant for this thread to go this far. I only meant to share my story with those who deserve to hear.

May Jesus Walk The Path Before You,

MichaelCadry

[InChristAlways]

Dear All,

I must say, I have known Vivian for awhile, and she is very astute and learned, so please don't harp on her. She's more on track with things than most all of you, except Warrior is also quite right.

I never meant for this thread to go this far. I only meant to share my story with those who deserve to hear.

May Jesus Walk The Path Before You,

MichaelCadryHi MC. For those interested in your story and the original start of the thread, this is part of it. The vision you had is actually "unbiblical" in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start on it. This is how cults get started, such as Momonism[Joseph Smith], Jim Jones[Guyana massacre], David Koresch[Waco massacre], Mariology[catholics visions], Islam[muhammed] etc. I could go on and on. Your visions almost makes a mockery of the Bible itself in my humble opinion.
Blessings.


"Firstly, the Lord God visited me. I cannot share that with you just yet. It would be more than you could bear. But it almost took my life.

Then 10 days later, the first angel visited me and his brightness was not like the sun but more of like brighter than the stars, including even Venus. And the angel said, "Fear God, and give Him glory, for the hour (time) of His judgement is come upon all of the earth, and worship Him Who made the earth and the heavens, and all that is therein." And I could not take my eyes or myself from watching the angel, because I'd never seen one before and thought I would never see one again. Then I heard a voice speak into my thoughts to hurry and call my present girlfriend at that time to ask her to come over, so I could tell her and my family and friends that the angel had visited me and what he had said.

The second angel visited me exactly one week later and spoke loudly, "Babylon is fallen" and told me about this woman who was an actress named Betty Hutton. And the Lord told me that He had given and taken away her husbands and riches, and that she would turn to Him and called His name Ishri (husband). And the Lord told me that this was written in the book of Hosea chapter 2, that He would do this before the time of the end.:eek:

I'm sorry I'm being so brief here, but I don't know how much I can write in this forum here and also, it is easier for the reader. The third angel visited me exactly another week later and said "Do not follow after the beast and his image, nor receive his mark/power in your right hand or forehead." And the angel explained to me about this Israeli psychic named Uri Geller, and that he was doing simple miracles by using his right hand to rub on and bend silverware and using his mind to concentrate on moving watch hands and compasses, etc.

And the angel said that God would not allow more than 666 other persons to acquire these powers in their right hand or forehead/mind, and that this was the number of this man, like the number of a captain and his army, or a leader and his followers. There is much more I know about this man, but will not include it here.

[MichaelCadry]

Dear InChristAlways,

Thanks so much for your recent post. You've got my testimony narrowed down a bit, but it does say what happened to me. I was recently on TV, Public Access, and sold 15 books. I am also working with ABC-TV to get a story done. I used to work at ABC-TV in Manhattan, NYC, and also CBS TV&Records, also the United Nations. My life has been a full one. I had not many experiences back then, but did share what little had happened to me until then. I worked in the Accounting Dept. at ABC-TV for a Comptroller. Then they gave me a raise and a promotion, but I had to leave because I missed my family so badly in Michigan, so I went there.

Hey we can agree to disagree, can't we? All that I know is I've been honest and am telling the truth. What I've seen and heard, I've witnessed to, and that is my testimony. It would hold up in court, because God would have it be so and won't let me down, so if it comes to that, so be it.

Blessed are those who can believe without seeing...

In Christ's Blood, that He Shed For Us,

Michael Cadry
:eek:
:tongue:

[InChristAlways]

Dear InChristAlways,

Thanks so much for your recent post. You've got my testimony narrowed down a bit, but it does say what happened to me. I was recently on TV, Public Access, and sold 15 books. I am also working with ABC-TV to get a story done. I used to work at ABC-TV in Manhattan, NYC, and also CBS TV&Records, also the United Nations. My life has been a full one. I had not many experiences back then, but did share what little had happened to me until then. I worked in the Accounting Dept. at ABC-TV for a Comptroller. Then they gave me a raise and a promotion, but I had to leave because I missed my family so badly in Michigan, so I went there.

Hey we can agree to disagree, can't we? All that I know is I've been honest and am telling the truth. What I've seen and heard, I've witnessed to, and that is my testimony. It would hold up in court, because God would have it be so and won't let me down, so if it comes to that, so be it.

Blessed are those who can believe without seeing...

In Christ's Blood, that He Shed For Us,

Michael Cadry
:eek:
:tongue:HI MC. No worries. It depends on what court you bring your testimony to. It just doesn't appear to me to hold up to the "court of Scripture" was all I was implying, but to someone else, it might.
I just saw you use Hosea 2 in reference to Betty Hutton and that seems to be a little farfetched to me. Anyway, be good and the Lord bless you.


And the LoThe second angel visited me exactly one week later and spoke loudly, "Babylon is fallen" and told me about this woman who was an actress named Betty Hutton. rd told me that He had given and taken away her husbands and riches, and that she would turn to Him and called His name Ishri (husband). And the Lord told me that this was written in the book of Hosea chapter 2, that He would do this before the time of the end.:eek:

[MichaelCadry]

Dear InChristAlways,

As I live and breathe, have no doubts that Betty Nutton is the woman mentioned of in Hpsea 2. It was told me by an angel and I know it is fact as much as anything I believe. Time will prove all things. Until then, we can only disagree.

Much Love Coming Your Way From God and Jesus,

MichaelCadry
:tongue:

[Corvx19]

I will only post this one thought.

Michael,
What ever it is you're trying to do, it needs to stop. This isn't right. Everything you are saying is made up. Now I don't know if your doing this for kicks or have just had some very bad theology taught to you, but this is wrong. Please stop this and don't continue.
I hope that if you truly are seeking God, that you will stop preaching these false things. There are lots of good teachers out there with a firm Biblical stance like Ravi Zacharias, Charles Stanley and Hank Hanagraaff. Learn from them and find a good and healthy church to go to. In fact on Hank Hanagraff's website equip.org he has a pamphlet you can order that's all about finding a healthy church.
Again, I ask you, please stop this and truly seek after God in Truth. I will pray for you that this things will be revealed to you and that you will have full understanding of the True nature of God.

Matthew 24:42-44
"Therefore keep watch, because YOU do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

Matthew 7:15
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Corvx19,

I can understand the way you feel, but I reassure you that I am telling the truth as it happened to me. Why don't we let time's passing prove if I'm right or wrong?? Sound good?? I know of what I speak yet you are kept in the dark for some reason. God works in mysterious ways, and it IS HARD to believe what I say. So don't feel forclempt or non-plussed.

Many God Things Come Your Way,

MichaelCadry

[Corvx19]

Dear Corvx19,

I can understand the way you feel, but I reassure you that I am telling the truth as it happened to me. Why don't we let time's passing prove if I'm right or wrong?? Sound good?? I know of what I speak yet you are kept in the dark for some reason. God works in mysterious ways, and it IS HARD to believe what I say. So don't feel forclempt or non-plussed.

Many God Things Come Your Way,

MichaelCadry

I wish I could let time prove this, but while we're waiting, you're teaching false things and I can't let someone twist the truth. Christ made it clear that none of us would know when the end would come. Even He said that "The Son does not even know." Referring to Himself. Your playing a very dangerous game. I'll take a look at you book the next time I'm at barnes and noble, but I know the Truth and you are twisting it.

[Hidden Manna]

I wish I could let time prove this, but while we're waiting, you're teaching false things and I can't let someone twist the truth. Christ made it clear that none of us would know when the end would come. Even He said that "The Son does not even know." Referring to Himself. Your playing a very dangerous game. I'll take a look at you book the next time I'm at barnes and noble, but I know the Truth and you are twisting it.

God Revealed the Time

For example God reserved the right to reveal the exact day to Noah in his own time. The point that Jesus makes concerning Noah is that the wicked did not know until the flood came and took them away.

What was true of Noah’s day was also true regarding the coming of Christ in A.D.70 at the fall of Jerusalem. “But of that day and hour no one knows, no not even the angels

of heaven, but My Father only” (Matthew 24:36).
This is a earlier stage of the prophecy. The disciples had every right to look for and expect later revelation regarding a more precise time than was given earlier. If not, then the parousia certainly won’t be as the days of Noah.

What futurist miss is it is possible that God later revealed a more precise time for the parousia than “this generation” and “before some died” in the first century? Think about this for a moment. Mark’s account says Jesus did not know the precise time and that only God knew. Mark adds, “nor the Son” (13:32). Man and the angels did not know, only God could make known the precise time.

Now the big question is, “Did God give additional precise revelation regarding the earlier prophecy of Christ’s parousia?”
Not only did God give additional revelation to the Lord, but he also told angels and man (his servants), just as in the days of Noah.
What does the first verse of the “last” book say? “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John” (Revelation 1:1).

Here we see that God gave additional revelation to Christ who did not know earlier the precise time. Christ gave this revelation to the angel (who did not know earlier ) who then gave it to (John who did not know earlier) for the express purpose of showing it to His servants. Man now knew the precise time.

Now what is the subject discussed in that revelation? The angel informs John that these things must shortly take place for the time was at hand (22:6,10). Jesus said, “Behold, I am coming quickly!...And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every one according to his work...

It is about the things whose time was at hand, and shortly to take place. It is the coming of Christ in clouds (v.7), the end of the delay Surely I am coming quickly” (Revelation 10:7 22:7 12:20), the time that the dead should be judged (11:18; 20:12), the coming of the new heaven and earth (21:1,2).

Jesus knew surely that he was coming quickly and that the time was at hand. Now that is just as it was in the days of Noah, general revelation initially, but precise information near the end!

God gave Noah signs of the coming flood, both general and specific. The general and specific signs were in the lifetime, of the disciples and their generation. They did not have to be a rocket scientist to know that the flood would occur before they died. And don’t forget the ark Jesus.

If the disciples had doubts like (futurist so called PP) today that door to the ark would have shut and the flood would have removed them all. So you see futurist Partial Preterist misrepresented the Full Preterist and the “Orthodox of true Christianity” that was started in the first century.

[InChristAlways]

MC There is one more thing that I MUST share with you. I was told by an angel that Phoenix is that Valley of Meggido, and that it is spiritually like Sodom and Egypt (Please see Revelation, chapter 11), and that it has the same climate, weather, palm trees and desert plant life, etc. Like Sodom in the fact that they are haughty, and oppress the people here. And I was told that the city, Phoenix, is named after an Egyptian mythological bird called a phoenix who rises from the ashes every 500 years. And I was told that here, there will be an earthquake greater than any on the earth since man has been on earth. This is what I was told, so I share my testimony, and tell you. Hi MC. They evacuated Phoenix upon hearing your prophecy and moved to Hollywood. Next you said this
Dear Hidden Manna,
I'm not trying to bad-mouth any other Christians, but when you say that Armaggedon happened in 70 A.D., as ICA claims, I can't help but feel like I should be talking with other people about it instead.

My family and my church are supportive and they all have a wait-and-see attitude as to what the near future will bring, but we do know that Jesus is returning very soon. Thanks for asking.
Anyway, I don't know if I've explained this well enough, but I hope so. The woman (city of Hollywood) had lordship over the ten kings of the earth, but some are not kings yet (sins). You must realize that the Bible says that this 'Whore' is that GREAT CITY which reigneth over the kings (sins) of the earth. See Revelation 17:18. It is not a woman or whore, it is talking about a city which is spiritually like ancient Babylon, where adultery, etc. was very common. So an order was also made to evacuate Hollywood and everyone move to the North Pole. So is there anything about the North Pole they should know about before they move there? I do have a daughter that lives in San Diego and this worried her also as my wife's sister and her husband live in Los Angeles. Thanks and Blessings.

ezekiel 22:17 The word of the LORD came to me, saying, 18 "Son of man, the house of Israel [Arizona/California]has become dross to Me; they [are] all bronze, tin, iron, and lead, in the midst of a furnace; they have become dross from silver. 19 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: 'Because you have all become dross, therefore behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem[Phoenix/Hollywood]. 20 '[As men] gather silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt so I will gather [you] in My anger and in My fury, and I will leave [you there] and melt you. [i]21 'Yes, I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst. 22 'As silver is melted in the midst of a furnace, so shall you be melted in its midst; then you shall know that I, the LORD, have poured out My fury on you.' "

[Hidden Manna]

MC Hi MC. They evacuated Phoenix upon hearing your prophecy and moved to Hollywood. Next you said this
So an order was also made to evacuate Hollywood and everyone move to the North Pole. So is there anything about the North Pole they should know about before they move there? I do have a daughter that lives in San Diego and this worried her also as my wife's sister and her husband live in Los Angeles. Thanks and Blessings.

ezekiel 22:17 The word of the LORD came to me, saying, 18 "Son of man, the house of Israel [Arizona/California]has become dross to Me; they [are] all bronze, tin, iron, and lead, in the midst of a furnace; they have become dross from silver. 19 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: 'Because you have all become dross, therefore behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem[Phoenix/Hollywood]. 20 '[As men] gather silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt so I will gather [you] in My anger and in My fury, and I will leave [you there] and melt you. [i]21 'Yes, I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst. 22 'As silver is melted in the midst of a furnace, so shall you be melted in its midst; then you shall know that I, the LORD, have poured out My fury on you.' "

Prophecy and Vision foretold to End

(Ezekiel 12:22-28) Son of man, what is that proverb that ye have in the land of Israel, saying, The days are prolonged, and every vision faileth? {23} Tell them therefore, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will make this proverb to cease, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel; but say unto them, The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision. {24} For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel. {25} For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD. {26} Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, {27} Son of man, behold, they of the house of Israel say, The vision that he seeth is for many days to come, and he prophesieth of the times that are far off. {28} Therefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; There shall none of my words be prolonged any more, but the word which I have spoken shall be done, saith the Lord GOD.

I guess after Hollywood or Phoenix is destroyed all prophecy will end. Thats means no more movies being made there and that will end all sin. :bawl:

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Corvyx19,

I'd like to agree with you and say it's okay, but the fact is, I am telling the truth and they are not false doctrine or charges. Time will prove me and God will prove me. But don't expect to believe me. People never believe the truth. Only the Jim Jones, etc. lies.

I cannot keep writing to all of you and hope you can understand that I have to limit my time on the puter, in order to work and clean house.

People are always ready to believe the tricky devilish preachers, but never a real prophet. O, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which stoneth the prophets (that I (God) send to you. O, how would I have gathered you up in my wings like a hen and her chicks, but YOU would not!!"

Think outside the bun!!

May God and Jesus Bless You With Patience and Understanding,

MichaelCadry