Jack777
February 12th 2005, 03:34 PM
Cosmogony, The Amazing Kreskin, Lies and Delusion
In discussing Cosmogony, I have read that philosophy, theism and worldview are relatively unimportant and treated in a dismissive manner in order to keep the focus on Evolution, the stuff that really counts for some people. However, this would have it so we could be fooled again, deceived, and misled. Keeping our eyes on the goal, keeping our eyes on Jesus is most important. Keeping our eyes on the Creator is most important. So, people discount the efficacy of the Creator to Create and the efficacy of Genesis 1:1 to the point some suggest that we could just take it out of the Bible and it not matter. That is the kind of thinking that Theistic Evolution invokes apparently. I did not say it, someone else said that we could lose that witness of God by Revelation and it not matter. This is a mistake and an error. It says in Scripture that a Great Delusion will be poured out. People will believe a lie, the Big Lie, and The Lie and after awhile we know God gives people up to their own reason and not only allows them to believe a lie but would have it so. The Lie is "hath God said."
"Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird.
And they lay wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives."
Proverbs 1:17-18
Is knowing the Creator as unimportant as some would suggest? No!
"And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
II Thessalonians 2:8-12
Cultivating a love of truth is important and this does not discount pursuing scientific fact. Fact, in part, is what we see, what we touch and what we feel. It is the Creator we put our eyes on, a priori, not this Creation. Can people be deluded? I think so. I was in Washington D.C. walking along the street and I noticed a newspaper had the headlines about the massacre at Jonestown with a big picture of bodies laying about. Those people were deceived, they were deluded because they believed lies. They were murdered or committed suicide because they believed lies. They believed lies because they believed someone more that they believed the Creator. Not because they did not love the Lord, but because they did not keep their eyes on the Lord. Why did people put up with Koresh? Why did people in the Heaven's Gate commune die? It was not because of many reasons, but was because they believed lies. Things go along well for us and then some time comes when we have a choice to make, choose a fork in the road. One path leads to Life and another to Death. How do you know? Is it by Evolution?
Darby translates the words of the LORD God our Creator Jeremiah put down in reference to the Creator and records for us that others have chosen the wrong path, the wrong way.
"Thus shall ye say unto them:
The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, these shall perish from the earth, and from under the heavens. He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his understanding. 13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the end of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasuries.
Every man is become brutish, bereft of knowledge; every founder is put to shame by the graven image, for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. They are vanity, a work of delusion: in the time of their visitation they shall perish. The portion of Jacob is not like them; for it is he that hath formed all things, and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: Jehovah of hosts is his name."
Jeremiah 10:11-16
Obviously we can be deluded in a lot of ways. The constant that keeps us on track is the Creator and the above passage relates how important God as Creator is.
This is so important to know as a Christian and as a Jew for that matter, or for anyone.
It is so important that Jeremiah recaps at the instruction of Yahweh and specifically details this message and self-explicates. God has him put this down again and elaborates for a reason. God does repeat Himself to us so we will read and learn.
"Jehovah of hosts hath sworn by himself, I will assuredly fill thee with men, as with caterpillars; and they shall raise a shout against thee. He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his understanding. When he uttereth his voice, there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the end of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. Every man is become brutish, so as to have no knowledge; every founder is put to shame by the graven image, for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. They are vanity, a work of delusion: in the time of their visitation they shall perish. The portion of Jacob is not like them; for it is he that hath formed all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: Jehovah of hosts is his name. Thou art my maul, my weapons of war: and with thee I will break in pieces the nations, and I will with thee destroy kingdoms; and with thee I will break in pieces the horse and his rider; and with thee I will break in pieces the chariot and its driver; and with thee will I break in pieces man and woman; and with thee will I break in pieces old and young; and with thee will I break in pieces the young man and the maid; and with thee will I break in pieces the shepherd and his flock; and with thee will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen; and with thee will I break in pieces governors and rulers."
Jeremiah 51:14-23
The Amazing Kreskin told us something that should be paid attention to. He created a psychological UFO sighting in 41 people. Afterwards, people began to leave and finally just the news crews was left. As they were packing up, a green luminous form passed overhead. A major broadcast was interrupted to report the sighting. KVBC-TV therefore allowed thousands of viewers to watch a UFO sighting for the first time.
Kreskin warns in a letter that psychological warfare is on a level that is unprecedented and that many people could be deluded by someone with his abilities. Many could be convinced that they were the "Chosen Ones" by seeing messages in the sky a leader "put there."
It is the belief we are willing to accept which guides our vulnerability. It is Faith in the Living God, our Creator that inures and strengthens our ability to withstand on That Day. We all have a "That Day" of some sort, when choosing is important and possibly a choice between Life and Death. Someone objected to my assertion that Genesis 1:1 is of the most importance and we go forward in Faith from there or struggle and leave the Way to Life. He said that Genesis 1:1 could be taken out of the Bible and it would not matter. Solomon supposed a law in the Torah was not important and a prophet said that God could make 10,000 Solomon's but the Law is important. I have a copy on file of the letter signed by Kreskin and it is a good reminder not to believe a lie. We must look to the Creator first. Faith is NOT belief.
In discussing Cosmogony, I have read that philosophy, theism and worldview are relatively unimportant and treated in a dismissive manner in order to keep the focus on Evolution, the stuff that really counts for some people. However, this would have it so we could be fooled again, deceived, and misled. Keeping our eyes on the goal, keeping our eyes on Jesus is most important. Keeping our eyes on the Creator is most important. So, people discount the efficacy of the Creator to Create and the efficacy of Genesis 1:1 to the point some suggest that we could just take it out of the Bible and it not matter. That is the kind of thinking that Theistic Evolution invokes apparently. I did not say it, someone else said that we could lose that witness of God by Revelation and it not matter. This is a mistake and an error. It says in Scripture that a Great Delusion will be poured out. People will believe a lie, the Big Lie, and The Lie and after awhile we know God gives people up to their own reason and not only allows them to believe a lie but would have it so. The Lie is "hath God said."
"Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird.
And they lay wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives."
Proverbs 1:17-18
Is knowing the Creator as unimportant as some would suggest? No!
"And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
II Thessalonians 2:8-12
Cultivating a love of truth is important and this does not discount pursuing scientific fact. Fact, in part, is what we see, what we touch and what we feel. It is the Creator we put our eyes on, a priori, not this Creation. Can people be deluded? I think so. I was in Washington D.C. walking along the street and I noticed a newspaper had the headlines about the massacre at Jonestown with a big picture of bodies laying about. Those people were deceived, they were deluded because they believed lies. They were murdered or committed suicide because they believed lies. They believed lies because they believed someone more that they believed the Creator. Not because they did not love the Lord, but because they did not keep their eyes on the Lord. Why did people put up with Koresh? Why did people in the Heaven's Gate commune die? It was not because of many reasons, but was because they believed lies. Things go along well for us and then some time comes when we have a choice to make, choose a fork in the road. One path leads to Life and another to Death. How do you know? Is it by Evolution?
Darby translates the words of the LORD God our Creator Jeremiah put down in reference to the Creator and records for us that others have chosen the wrong path, the wrong way.
"Thus shall ye say unto them:
The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, these shall perish from the earth, and from under the heavens. He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his understanding. 13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the end of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasuries.
Every man is become brutish, bereft of knowledge; every founder is put to shame by the graven image, for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. They are vanity, a work of delusion: in the time of their visitation they shall perish. The portion of Jacob is not like them; for it is he that hath formed all things, and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: Jehovah of hosts is his name."
Jeremiah 10:11-16
Obviously we can be deluded in a lot of ways. The constant that keeps us on track is the Creator and the above passage relates how important God as Creator is.
This is so important to know as a Christian and as a Jew for that matter, or for anyone.
It is so important that Jeremiah recaps at the instruction of Yahweh and specifically details this message and self-explicates. God has him put this down again and elaborates for a reason. God does repeat Himself to us so we will read and learn.
"Jehovah of hosts hath sworn by himself, I will assuredly fill thee with men, as with caterpillars; and they shall raise a shout against thee. He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his understanding. When he uttereth his voice, there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the end of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. Every man is become brutish, so as to have no knowledge; every founder is put to shame by the graven image, for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. They are vanity, a work of delusion: in the time of their visitation they shall perish. The portion of Jacob is not like them; for it is he that hath formed all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: Jehovah of hosts is his name. Thou art my maul, my weapons of war: and with thee I will break in pieces the nations, and I will with thee destroy kingdoms; and with thee I will break in pieces the horse and his rider; and with thee I will break in pieces the chariot and its driver; and with thee will I break in pieces man and woman; and with thee will I break in pieces old and young; and with thee will I break in pieces the young man and the maid; and with thee will I break in pieces the shepherd and his flock; and with thee will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen; and with thee will I break in pieces governors and rulers."
Jeremiah 51:14-23
The Amazing Kreskin told us something that should be paid attention to. He created a psychological UFO sighting in 41 people. Afterwards, people began to leave and finally just the news crews was left. As they were packing up, a green luminous form passed overhead. A major broadcast was interrupted to report the sighting. KVBC-TV therefore allowed thousands of viewers to watch a UFO sighting for the first time.
Kreskin warns in a letter that psychological warfare is on a level that is unprecedented and that many people could be deluded by someone with his abilities. Many could be convinced that they were the "Chosen Ones" by seeing messages in the sky a leader "put there."
It is the belief we are willing to accept which guides our vulnerability. It is Faith in the Living God, our Creator that inures and strengthens our ability to withstand on That Day. We all have a "That Day" of some sort, when choosing is important and possibly a choice between Life and Death. Someone objected to my assertion that Genesis 1:1 is of the most importance and we go forward in Faith from there or struggle and leave the Way to Life. He said that Genesis 1:1 could be taken out of the Bible and it would not matter. Solomon supposed a law in the Torah was not important and a prophet said that God could make 10,000 Solomon's but the Law is important. I have a copy on file of the letter signed by Kreskin and it is a good reminder not to believe a lie. We must look to the Creator first. Faith is NOT belief.