Jack777
February 13th 2005, 05:46 PM
Cosmogony High Jinks and Serious Study
In the study of the cosmogony of the Universe, it is important to know the Bible is inerrant and that it is true. The Bible stands as the singular most influential book in modern recorded history. The Old Testament of the Christian Bible and the Hebrew Bible were well known to the people who lived at the time of the First Advent of Jesus in what is now known as the Middle East. Abram left the city of Ur about 4,000 years ago and was chosen by God to be an instrument of Faith to the world. The Hebrews were chosen to bring Salvation to the whole world and it was Abraham that was chosen as an individual. It is important to read the Bible with understanding and know the cosmogony it contains. This is of utmost importance. An outline of a sermon delivered by Bob Russell, Senior Minister of Southeast Christian Church puts it this way:
Why I Believe the Bible is True, Bob Russell
It is a message from God.
Inerrancy- in its original manuscript everything is affirmed to be true
It is reasonable to assume the Creator would desire to communicate with His Creation. Verbal communication is necessary to make us understand what He is thinking. We have a general idea but we need verbal communication from Him to know what He thinks, what He is like.
Unique composition written on three continents over 1500 years by different authorsII Timothy 3
John 20:31
II Peter 1:21
John 16:31
He will guide us into all truth
I Thessalonians 2:13
II Thessalonians was written by an Apostle, an eyewitness in the 1st century church recognized it as consistent with the doctrine of Christ.
The Bible is Endurable. It has survived over 2000 years. The Romans tried to burn all the Bibles.Isaiah 43:8
Challenge and complexity
Amazing accuracy
Bibliographical test- Bible 25,000 early texts, second is Homer with 643 manuscripts --Illiad written 800 B. C.-- 400 years later is earliest manuscript, Bible text 30 years later.
Internal test- honesty of the Bible, people are not idealized, supposed contradictions are shallow
External test- corroborated by outside sources
Fulfilled prophecy- Dead Sea Scrolls prove written before Jesus came
Positive effectiveness- the Bible will accomplish its purpose, the Bible is alive
I Peter 1:23
Hebrews 4:12
In studying the Bible, it takes a commitment of years to have our eyes opened to all that is possible for a person to be able to apprehend and then learn. If we read the Bible through as a book a broad brush outline of some things is retained. If we look for historical fact in the context of time and world events some knowledge is gained. If our intellectual curiosity is the aim of reading it, a little is learned of it. If we are looking to prove a pet theory or to persuade ourselves of our goodness the reading will be fruitless. Learning parts of the Bible so that we may apply its principles to everyday life on certain aspects that are important to us is helpful. How each person approaches the Bible has an affect on what can be gained from reading it.
In reading the Bible a principle that is necessary to understand it conforms to an idea of Aristotle. John Warwick Montgomery paraphrases it:
"One must listen to the claims of the document under analysis, and not assume fraud or error unless the author disqualified himself by contradictions or known factual inaccuracies."
The quote below proposes the inerrancy of Scripture.
"The Bible has properties of a hologram:
• Fourier transform properties
• Transcendent of parallax
"Spread-spectrum" Design:
• Exploitation of entire bandwidth
• Immunity to hostile jamming"
There are codes in the Torah
Source (http://www.khouse.org/) and see below
There is a lot of hostile jamming that has gone on in the past 150 years. Most of it takes place on seminary campuses to conform people to culture and the kosmos. If anyone comes up with something that seemingly refutes the Bible a lot of people are dragged away from reading the Bible as inerrant by theologians, especially those who believe the Higher Critics.
While I would disagree that there are transmission errors in the Torah that misrepresent Creation to a degree the author quoted below might infer, although information theory has application to the Torah. However, the Torah is in fact accurately transmitted to us as it was intended by God. The Higher Critics have done detestable damage to the understanding of Scripture. They put things in a way that portrays the Bible as the result of ignorant sheep herders sitting around a campfire roasting weenies and marshmallows and making up neat stories for ignorant people. According to some, there were smart guys that get hold of the sheep herder stories and while away time in Babylonian Captivity having evolved their concept of God to match the even smarter Babylonians and perpetrated a fraud. That is not true. The Higher Critics are wrong. They got this idea of our concept of God evolving in part from Darwin, a sort of theological equivalent to Social Darwinianism. This outmoded and arcane bastardization of Scripture is still taught with a straight face in seminaries. I am forever freshly surprised at the lack of understanding it generates in the sciences and theology. It is as if some theologians are pretty ashamed of the Scriptures and doing control damage. Good grief. I have one book that treats Scripture as inferior to all other testimonies of different cultures and this is the same attitude of many Christians. The Bible is myth to many.
The information passed down to us in the Torah is correct. It is correct to a startling degree. What the author does is say that because the information in part of the Bible does not support a Young Earth Creationist point of view, there must be errors. This is to me an egregious misapplication of information theory. For instance, I do not think variations on when the crust of the earth was formed according to anyone, including a Young Earth Creationist, can then be used to say that a literal six days of Creation occurred or did not occur. The Bible has less than 0.5% errors and of those they have no effect on the message, the information we were intended to receive.
Misapplication of Shannon's Theorem to support a Six Day Creation period is an error, a mistake and it is misleading. While I disagree with Young Earth Creationists and always have, it is fine to make up a new religion based on this idea under the laws of our country. We have freedom of religion. It is ironic that some feel forced to portray dinosaurs frolicking with the kids and cruising about on the waters of the Flood in Noah's Ark. Some think that the dinosaurs were bad and got left out of the ark of Noah. It is Young Earth Creationist high fun to make up fanciful stories for a good cause. I do not want to cause the stumbling of a Young Earth Creationist anymore than a Theistic Evolutionist. I think it is funny that because chimps have a sense of fair play the Evolutionists all sit up straighter. In 1889, Francis Darwin published a book based on his father's work, no doubt well-known amongst evolutionists. Charles Darwin proposed principles of emotions that he noticed in monkeys (he used the word "monkey" for anyone that wants to rush and say I am ignorant) and other animals the expression of emotions. Of course the limbic system is more well-known and neuropsychologists that do brain mapping have something to say along these lines. There are meaningful differences between chimps and people. Using the logic of some we could just as easily have been descended from dogs or cats. Genetics show that we are more similar to monkeys than dogs or cats, otherwise What happens in appropriating the words of the Bible to "prove" theories is that the information there to read and understand is done more violence than one might imagine. I sometimes wonder if people are more interested in pet theories than finding out what is really going on with the Bible. It is that the surface text is then misunderstood. Whether you think Barney the Dinosaur was buddies with your ancestors or Chester the Chimp was your uncle is irrelevant.
Scripture becomes irrelevant to different religious camps to one degree or another. It is my opinion that the first thing to do is to know the Bible is the Revelation of God to us and that it is inerrant. Now, you might be faced as I was with the fact that there seem to be irreconcilable differences between factual knowledge and the Bible. In my case I never did believe that the Theory of Evolution was correct, based on evidence from the rock record. The burden of proof is weighty and it has not come through yet. The rocks do not "prove" evolution. I am writing this for someone who would really like to think about things. I don't put a lot of stock in Intelligent Design per se, although it has its points. The fact that species change over time into at best sub-species is not impressive either. Evolutionists would hold that Mongoloid, Negroid and Caucasian races are different species if they were really honest. That is about as good as it gets with evolutionary theory in provable application. Period.
The plain Hebrew text can be understood well enough to lead the reader to see that the famous six days are a description of the restoration of the earth after major destruction to the earth. Evolutionists make the same mistake as the Young Earth Creationists as Old Earth Creationists, as Theistic Evolutionists. So, the theory.
"Modern information theory, which is applied routinely in the error detection and correction techniques used in electronic data transmission, can be applied to the idea of inerrancy in the information conveyed by the scriptures.
W. H. Venable showed in 1987 that it is possible, from a scientific point of view, that the information God intended to convey through the scriptures could be received error-free by us today, even though a certain amount of textural corruption and editing, or distortion during translation, etc., may have occurred. This is because of a mathematically demonstrated theorem, called "Shannon's Theorem (http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/#Shannon)," which states, in essence,
"If the amount and character of the noise in a given channel are known, then a system of encoding can be devised which, when utilized, will make possible virtually error-free transmission of information between originator and recipient."
Techniques involving encoding of information, decoding by the recipient, redundancy, and the identification of the character of noise that is anticipated could be utilized to ensure that the intended message was correctly received by the intended recipient. Venable wrote [Venable, 1987 (http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/#Venable), p. 169]:
'The Bible, by its own witness, consists of an ensemble of messages emitted by its originator, God, into the noisy channel of human history. Clearly, its divine Originator knew the character and magnitude of the noise in the channel of transmission when He composed the messages in the ensemble. Equally clearly, He would have no difficulty encoding the information in this ensemble of messages in such a way that it could be inerrantly received by every intended recipient, in spite of the effects of the noise upon its individual message elements-that is, in spite of scribal errors, editorial or redactional emendations, or by any other occurrences that would cause the text viewed by the recipient to differ in some ways from the text originally committed to the channel of transmission. Indeed, two or more recipients possessing texts differing from one another at various points could still inerrantly receive the same information, because these variations would not nullify the error-free character of the transmission.'"
Source (http://www.sentex.net/)
The Bible's Torah is correct, information theory notwithstanding, in spite of Barney the Dinosaur and Chester the Chimp. It is Scripture as God's Revelation to us that is important, not all of these theories. There are also the Bible Codes which testify to the accuracy and inerrancy of the Scriptures we know as the Torah or Pentateuch.
"We conclude that the proximity of ELS's (Equidistant Letter Sequences) with related meanings in the Book of Genesis is NOT DUE TO CHANCE."
("Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis", Statistical Science, August 1994, p.434 )
"The phenomenon cannot be attributed to ANYTHING within the KNOWN PHYSICAL UNIVERSE, human beings included."
("Divine Authorship?", Biblical Review, October 1995, p.45) Only someone who knows the future could have placed them there and that person is God.
They submitted their work to Statistical Science and Editor Robert Kass said:
"Our referees were baffled: their prior beliefs made them think the Book of Genesis could not POSSIBLY contain meaningful references to modern day individuals, yet when the authors carried out additional analyses and checks the effect persisted." ("Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis", Statistical Science, August 1994, p.306 ) See the links below
Research (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/research.htm)
modified December 16, 2000
The Refutation of the Attempts to Invalidate the Torah Codes (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/debate1.htm)
modified April 10, 2002
What's New (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/whatsnew.htm)
modified April 10, 2002
Eight papers refuting MBBK's Statistical Science paper claims. (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/whatsnew.htm#march2002)
"Personalities of Genesis and Their Dates of Birth". (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/genesis/gen_hb.htm)
"A Replication of: The Second Sample of Famous Rabbinical Personalities". (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/ben/ben_hb.htm)
or write
Doron Witztum
P.O. Box 16409
Jerusalem, Israel
See
Cracking the Bible Code, Jeffery Satinover, William Morrow and Company Inc., New York, New York, 1997
In the study of the cosmogony of the Universe, it is important to know the Bible is inerrant and that it is true. The Bible stands as the singular most influential book in modern recorded history. The Old Testament of the Christian Bible and the Hebrew Bible were well known to the people who lived at the time of the First Advent of Jesus in what is now known as the Middle East. Abram left the city of Ur about 4,000 years ago and was chosen by God to be an instrument of Faith to the world. The Hebrews were chosen to bring Salvation to the whole world and it was Abraham that was chosen as an individual. It is important to read the Bible with understanding and know the cosmogony it contains. This is of utmost importance. An outline of a sermon delivered by Bob Russell, Senior Minister of Southeast Christian Church puts it this way:
Why I Believe the Bible is True, Bob Russell
It is a message from God.
Inerrancy- in its original manuscript everything is affirmed to be true
It is reasonable to assume the Creator would desire to communicate with His Creation. Verbal communication is necessary to make us understand what He is thinking. We have a general idea but we need verbal communication from Him to know what He thinks, what He is like.
Unique composition written on three continents over 1500 years by different authorsII Timothy 3
John 20:31
II Peter 1:21
John 16:31
He will guide us into all truth
I Thessalonians 2:13
II Thessalonians was written by an Apostle, an eyewitness in the 1st century church recognized it as consistent with the doctrine of Christ.
The Bible is Endurable. It has survived over 2000 years. The Romans tried to burn all the Bibles.Isaiah 43:8
Challenge and complexity
Amazing accuracy
Bibliographical test- Bible 25,000 early texts, second is Homer with 643 manuscripts --Illiad written 800 B. C.-- 400 years later is earliest manuscript, Bible text 30 years later.
Internal test- honesty of the Bible, people are not idealized, supposed contradictions are shallow
External test- corroborated by outside sources
Fulfilled prophecy- Dead Sea Scrolls prove written before Jesus came
Positive effectiveness- the Bible will accomplish its purpose, the Bible is alive
I Peter 1:23
Hebrews 4:12
In studying the Bible, it takes a commitment of years to have our eyes opened to all that is possible for a person to be able to apprehend and then learn. If we read the Bible through as a book a broad brush outline of some things is retained. If we look for historical fact in the context of time and world events some knowledge is gained. If our intellectual curiosity is the aim of reading it, a little is learned of it. If we are looking to prove a pet theory or to persuade ourselves of our goodness the reading will be fruitless. Learning parts of the Bible so that we may apply its principles to everyday life on certain aspects that are important to us is helpful. How each person approaches the Bible has an affect on what can be gained from reading it.
In reading the Bible a principle that is necessary to understand it conforms to an idea of Aristotle. John Warwick Montgomery paraphrases it:
"One must listen to the claims of the document under analysis, and not assume fraud or error unless the author disqualified himself by contradictions or known factual inaccuracies."
The quote below proposes the inerrancy of Scripture.
"The Bible has properties of a hologram:
• Fourier transform properties
• Transcendent of parallax
"Spread-spectrum" Design:
• Exploitation of entire bandwidth
• Immunity to hostile jamming"
There are codes in the Torah
Source (http://www.khouse.org/) and see below
There is a lot of hostile jamming that has gone on in the past 150 years. Most of it takes place on seminary campuses to conform people to culture and the kosmos. If anyone comes up with something that seemingly refutes the Bible a lot of people are dragged away from reading the Bible as inerrant by theologians, especially those who believe the Higher Critics.
While I would disagree that there are transmission errors in the Torah that misrepresent Creation to a degree the author quoted below might infer, although information theory has application to the Torah. However, the Torah is in fact accurately transmitted to us as it was intended by God. The Higher Critics have done detestable damage to the understanding of Scripture. They put things in a way that portrays the Bible as the result of ignorant sheep herders sitting around a campfire roasting weenies and marshmallows and making up neat stories for ignorant people. According to some, there were smart guys that get hold of the sheep herder stories and while away time in Babylonian Captivity having evolved their concept of God to match the even smarter Babylonians and perpetrated a fraud. That is not true. The Higher Critics are wrong. They got this idea of our concept of God evolving in part from Darwin, a sort of theological equivalent to Social Darwinianism. This outmoded and arcane bastardization of Scripture is still taught with a straight face in seminaries. I am forever freshly surprised at the lack of understanding it generates in the sciences and theology. It is as if some theologians are pretty ashamed of the Scriptures and doing control damage. Good grief. I have one book that treats Scripture as inferior to all other testimonies of different cultures and this is the same attitude of many Christians. The Bible is myth to many.
The information passed down to us in the Torah is correct. It is correct to a startling degree. What the author does is say that because the information in part of the Bible does not support a Young Earth Creationist point of view, there must be errors. This is to me an egregious misapplication of information theory. For instance, I do not think variations on when the crust of the earth was formed according to anyone, including a Young Earth Creationist, can then be used to say that a literal six days of Creation occurred or did not occur. The Bible has less than 0.5% errors and of those they have no effect on the message, the information we were intended to receive.
Misapplication of Shannon's Theorem to support a Six Day Creation period is an error, a mistake and it is misleading. While I disagree with Young Earth Creationists and always have, it is fine to make up a new religion based on this idea under the laws of our country. We have freedom of religion. It is ironic that some feel forced to portray dinosaurs frolicking with the kids and cruising about on the waters of the Flood in Noah's Ark. Some think that the dinosaurs were bad and got left out of the ark of Noah. It is Young Earth Creationist high fun to make up fanciful stories for a good cause. I do not want to cause the stumbling of a Young Earth Creationist anymore than a Theistic Evolutionist. I think it is funny that because chimps have a sense of fair play the Evolutionists all sit up straighter. In 1889, Francis Darwin published a book based on his father's work, no doubt well-known amongst evolutionists. Charles Darwin proposed principles of emotions that he noticed in monkeys (he used the word "monkey" for anyone that wants to rush and say I am ignorant) and other animals the expression of emotions. Of course the limbic system is more well-known and neuropsychologists that do brain mapping have something to say along these lines. There are meaningful differences between chimps and people. Using the logic of some we could just as easily have been descended from dogs or cats. Genetics show that we are more similar to monkeys than dogs or cats, otherwise What happens in appropriating the words of the Bible to "prove" theories is that the information there to read and understand is done more violence than one might imagine. I sometimes wonder if people are more interested in pet theories than finding out what is really going on with the Bible. It is that the surface text is then misunderstood. Whether you think Barney the Dinosaur was buddies with your ancestors or Chester the Chimp was your uncle is irrelevant.
Scripture becomes irrelevant to different religious camps to one degree or another. It is my opinion that the first thing to do is to know the Bible is the Revelation of God to us and that it is inerrant. Now, you might be faced as I was with the fact that there seem to be irreconcilable differences between factual knowledge and the Bible. In my case I never did believe that the Theory of Evolution was correct, based on evidence from the rock record. The burden of proof is weighty and it has not come through yet. The rocks do not "prove" evolution. I am writing this for someone who would really like to think about things. I don't put a lot of stock in Intelligent Design per se, although it has its points. The fact that species change over time into at best sub-species is not impressive either. Evolutionists would hold that Mongoloid, Negroid and Caucasian races are different species if they were really honest. That is about as good as it gets with evolutionary theory in provable application. Period.
The plain Hebrew text can be understood well enough to lead the reader to see that the famous six days are a description of the restoration of the earth after major destruction to the earth. Evolutionists make the same mistake as the Young Earth Creationists as Old Earth Creationists, as Theistic Evolutionists. So, the theory.
"Modern information theory, which is applied routinely in the error detection and correction techniques used in electronic data transmission, can be applied to the idea of inerrancy in the information conveyed by the scriptures.
W. H. Venable showed in 1987 that it is possible, from a scientific point of view, that the information God intended to convey through the scriptures could be received error-free by us today, even though a certain amount of textural corruption and editing, or distortion during translation, etc., may have occurred. This is because of a mathematically demonstrated theorem, called "Shannon's Theorem (http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/#Shannon)," which states, in essence,
"If the amount and character of the noise in a given channel are known, then a system of encoding can be devised which, when utilized, will make possible virtually error-free transmission of information between originator and recipient."
Techniques involving encoding of information, decoding by the recipient, redundancy, and the identification of the character of noise that is anticipated could be utilized to ensure that the intended message was correctly received by the intended recipient. Venable wrote [Venable, 1987 (http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/#Venable), p. 169]:
'The Bible, by its own witness, consists of an ensemble of messages emitted by its originator, God, into the noisy channel of human history. Clearly, its divine Originator knew the character and magnitude of the noise in the channel of transmission when He composed the messages in the ensemble. Equally clearly, He would have no difficulty encoding the information in this ensemble of messages in such a way that it could be inerrantly received by every intended recipient, in spite of the effects of the noise upon its individual message elements-that is, in spite of scribal errors, editorial or redactional emendations, or by any other occurrences that would cause the text viewed by the recipient to differ in some ways from the text originally committed to the channel of transmission. Indeed, two or more recipients possessing texts differing from one another at various points could still inerrantly receive the same information, because these variations would not nullify the error-free character of the transmission.'"
Source (http://www.sentex.net/)
The Bible's Torah is correct, information theory notwithstanding, in spite of Barney the Dinosaur and Chester the Chimp. It is Scripture as God's Revelation to us that is important, not all of these theories. There are also the Bible Codes which testify to the accuracy and inerrancy of the Scriptures we know as the Torah or Pentateuch.
"We conclude that the proximity of ELS's (Equidistant Letter Sequences) with related meanings in the Book of Genesis is NOT DUE TO CHANCE."
("Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis", Statistical Science, August 1994, p.434 )
"The phenomenon cannot be attributed to ANYTHING within the KNOWN PHYSICAL UNIVERSE, human beings included."
("Divine Authorship?", Biblical Review, October 1995, p.45) Only someone who knows the future could have placed them there and that person is God.
They submitted their work to Statistical Science and Editor Robert Kass said:
"Our referees were baffled: their prior beliefs made them think the Book of Genesis could not POSSIBLY contain meaningful references to modern day individuals, yet when the authors carried out additional analyses and checks the effect persisted." ("Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis", Statistical Science, August 1994, p.306 ) See the links below
Research (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/research.htm)
modified December 16, 2000
The Refutation of the Attempts to Invalidate the Torah Codes (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/debate1.htm)
modified April 10, 2002
What's New (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/whatsnew.htm)
modified April 10, 2002
Eight papers refuting MBBK's Statistical Science paper claims. (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/whatsnew.htm#march2002)
"Personalities of Genesis and Their Dates of Birth". (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/genesis/gen_hb.htm)
"A Replication of: The Second Sample of Famous Rabbinical Personalities". (http://www.torahcodes.co.il/ben/ben_hb.htm)
or write
Doron Witztum
P.O. Box 16409
Jerusalem, Israel
See
Cracking the Bible Code, Jeffery Satinover, William Morrow and Company Inc., New York, New York, 1997