How do you feel about being unorthodox?

[Taran Wanderer]

Although I know that some people like the idea of being a heretic, I personally would hate it, so I'm wondering how the people here who fit this category feel about it.

First, do you think of your views as unorthodox? In other words, did you post here on your own initiative, or was the Unorthodox Theology section suggested to you by someone else? (There's no need to mention names, by the way. I hope I'm not stirring any pots by asking this.) Are you surprised to find that most people disagree with you? Do most people you meet disagree with you?

Then, how do you think about your atypical views and the fact that the majority of the church doesn't share them? I suppose I could ask it this way: What do you think of your role in the world as an unorthodox theologian? Are you a crusader for the light? Are you the keeper of arcane secrets? a persecuted prophet? a giant among dwarves? a maverick intellectual? Did you work hard to arrive at your beliefs, or do you marvel that so few can see what's so obvious to you?

You don't have to answer all those questions. They're just suggestions to get the discussion started.

[Harfelugan]

My unorthodox theologies deal mostly with God's revelations to early man outside of whats recorded in the old testament . And God's revelation to early man during the first few centuries after Christ that were apart from the early apostles and the Church . I think the fact that these items being left ignored has left the Church open to attack that we were influenced by outside sources instead of the other way around . I haven't worked hard enough or studied hard enough on this subject but I've noticed that people who do work on proving their theologies are only approved of by people who already believe that way in the first place anyway. At best I'm just a critical thinker . Maybe not an accurate thinker but critical yes . Most people don't want to go outside the Bible for anything and I dont blame them . Unorthodox doesn't necessarily mean heretic , no honest Christian desires to be outside of God's will . Considering all the denominations in existance that whould make for alot of heretics . As long as the other guy is the heretic its ok .

[indoctrinated]

As long as the other guy is the heretic its ok .

exactly! :lol:

Many of those who talk about "orthodox" Christianity just mean "all those people who agree with me!"

Even the Roman Catholic Church has changed its stance on some things. As for protestants; well the proliferation of denominations shows that they hardly agree on anything.

I would need some help from historians, but I think that probably many heretics have just been ahead of their time. Is Galileo still a heretic? I think he was once.

[Hidden Manna]

Although I know that some people like the idea of being a heretic, I personally would hate it, so I'm wondering how the people here who fit this category feel about it.

First, do you think of your views as unorthodox? In other words, did you post here on your own initiative, or was the Unorthodox Theology section suggested to you by someone else? (There's no need to mention names, by the way. I hope I'm not stirring any pots by asking this.) Are you surprised to find that most people disagree with you? Do most people you meet disagree with you?

Then, how do you think about your atypical views and the fact that the majority of the church doesn't share them? I suppose I could ask it this way: What do you think of your role in the world as an unorthodox theologian? Are you a crusader for the light? Are you the keeper of arcane secrets? a persecuted prophet? a giant among dwarves? a maverick intellectual? Did you work hard to arrive at your beliefs, or do you marvel that so few can see what's so obvious to you?

You don't have to answer all those questions. They're just suggestions to get the discussion started.

I guess I would have to say I feel like Jesus and the apostles did when He was rejected by men.


Remember in scripture where God said this is my beloved Son, hear Him, to Peter, James and John at the mount of transfiguration. And then later on Jesus warned the disciples to be aware of the doctrine of the Scribes and Pharisees, which included many things.

Now four hundred years later through the Roman Catholic Church we have scripture being canonized and with that at some point during that time we have the Creeds written up aside from any authority from scripture to have creeds. Even though the scripture says that God’s word is not chained, 2 Timothy 2:9
for which I suffer trouble as an evildoer, even to the point of chains; but the word of God is not chained , the word of God became chained through canonization. Was this of God or man?

The creeds seem to have power over scripture to determine what is a heresy or not. Because of so many views to what scripture means, the creeds have become a weapon to fight error. However that only can be done if there are no error in the creeds, otherwise those who believe in the creeds over the scriptures say and what has happened in history become heretical in believing in the creeds

The creeds leave absolutely no room for a Full complete Preterist view because the creeds demand a physical fulfillment of the coming of the Lord, resurrection of the dead and the destruction of Satan.

The people who have put their trust into the creeds have put their trust into what Jesus warned about, and that was post AD 70 modern day Pharisees and scribes.

The Roman Catholic Church at that time believed that they were God’s Kingdom on earth that ruled over the nations with a rod of iron. The Historic view believes the RCC was the Beast of Revelations 13 and Mystery Babylon of Revelation 17.

Protestant Churches who have claimed that the Papacy was the Beast in the past, today hang on to the creeds that were at one point in time used as a weapon to burn people at the stake, and that mainly being Protestants.

The Preterist view holds to the fact that all scripture was fulfilled when Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70. That was the sign Jesus gave to determine the end of the world or age of the old heaven and earth found in the old covenant. Since AD 70 we have been living without the old temple system and laws that were deceiving the world as to which way to go, laws of Moses or the new laws of the Spirit found in Christ.

If the enemy had one last straw to hold on to, it is in the timing of events in the creeds, not to mention some people use the creeds to hold other people as cults because they do not understand the mysteries of the Godhead, God being the Father , Son and Holy Spirit yet at the same time all three are different persons. If the Godhead is a mystery, why do the creeds require knowledge of a mystery for salvation?

Bottom line is that we should listen to what Jesus said and not what some people believe that God gifted men wrote down some 1600 years ago in the Roman Catholic Church who has been known to do great acts of evil in the name of Christ just as Jesus warn His disciples about. I say that the creeds should have never been written because Jesus did not say them. What is needed is a real close look to what Jesus did say in Matt.24 and Luke19 through 21 and come to realize that we have been living in the new heaven and earth age with Jesus Christ presence in everyone who is a real true believer. Jesus Christ being revealed in us as King of kings and Lord of lords who is seated in the temple of God, which is the physical body of the true believers, as our life is spiritually hidden in Christ

[judge]

Then, how do you think about your atypical views and the fact that the majority of the church doesn't share them?

Doesn't worry me one whit. :smile:
Once we leave this earthly life there are no more denominations.

What matters is whether we are being inwardly changed. Transformed into the image of christ.
Doctrine does not matter (or it matters little in comparison).

[Hidden Manna]

Doesn't worry me one whit. :smile:
Once we leave this earthly life there are no more denominations.

What matters is whether we are being inwardly changed. Transformed into the image of christ.
Doctrine does not matter (or it matters little in comparison).

Hi Judge,

Good point however I would say, once we leave the carnal earthly life, there are no more denominations in the spiritual realm. We do not have to die physically first, just die to self and live in Christ. Denominationalism does not exist within those who have the Kingdom of God for their inheritance. Denominationalism is the modern day Pharisees and scribes inheritance instead of being transformed into the image of christ.

Hebrews 8
10 "For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 "NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." 13 In that He says, "A new [covenant,"] He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

[Ken1Burton]

Know the Truth and it will set you free.

Are those in denominations FREE? How much outside what each denomination preaches as the truth are they allowed to go?

Christian denominations are not slightly different. There is a world of differences between them. Some are almost dead. Others are welded in bondage. Some do not even know WHERE they are. Many members of a congregation can not even tell you what their denomination’s so called sound doctrine is.

Ask 100 roman Catholics what the Immaculate Conception is. fifty will tell you it is Jesus conceived in Mary.

It is Follow US, not follow Christ. Not Know God.

How can the Denominations find the Truth? They will not allow one another the freedom to LOOK for It. And the reason. They know their doctrine will not hold up. Never shake a house built on stilts.

What the Church calls unorthodox, and what this web site calls unorthodox, applies to anything they have not claimed is truth. One denominations doctrine is unorthodox to another’s. Reality is all doctrine is Unorthodox depending on who is looking at it.

Was not Jeremiah’s preaching unorthodox?

All the Prophets told Ahab to go up in battle, and prosper. Then along comes Unorthodox Micaiah:

(1KINGS 22:13) And the messenger that was gone to call Micaiah
spake unto him, saying, Behold now, the words of the prophets
declare good unto the king with one mouth: let thy word, I pray
thee, be like the word of one of them, and speak that which is
good. (KJV)

Micaiah told the King the same as all the other prophets. But the King knew Micaiah did not speak like the other prophets.

(1KINGS 22:15) So he came to the king. And the king said unto him,
Micaiah, shall we go against Ramothgilead to battle, or shall we
forbear? And he answered him, Go, and prosper: for the Lord shall
deliver it into the hand of the king. (KJV)
(1KINGS 22:16) And the king said unto him, How many times shall I
adjure thee that thou tell me nothing but that which is true in the
name of the Lord? (KJV)


NOW. If you want to be Orthodox, I suggest you lie, lie, lie. Search out what each person believes, and have your doctrine agree. Agree with Denomination doctrine. And You will be blessed. Here that is. You will be admired, Here that is. You will be promoted, Here that is.

Is not the difference between being orthodox and unorthodox what Jesus was speaking about?

(MATTHEW 16:26) For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the
whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in
exchange for his soul? (KJV)

Jesus saved all mankind, Your soul is secure. But will you speak what you really believe to be truth if it means they will separate you from them? If only by having you post in an area which is seen as where the Heretics post?

(LUKE 6:22) Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they
shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and
cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. (KJV)
(LUKE 6:23) Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold,
your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their
fathers unto the prophets. (KJV)


Unorthodox is nothing, Highly offensive is much closer to Truth. But the only real question is if it is offensive to man, or to God?

(1CORINTHIANS 1:28) And base things of the world, and things which
are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to
bring to nought things that are: (KJV)

(2SAMUEL 12:14) Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great
occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also
that is born unto thee shall surely die. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 12:15) And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord
struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very
sick. (KJV)

The Child born outside wedlock to David and Bathsheba. David’s son died 7 days after birth. 1,000 years later in a stable in Bethlehem a Child is laid in a manger. Kind of hard to be the first begotten of the dead unless you DIE FIRST.

This is HIGHLY Unorthodox, This is HIGHLY Offensive, This is TRUTH.

(ISAIAH 60:22) A little one shall become a thousand, and a small
one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time. (KJV)


Did not God killing the Baby set off an alarm within you?

(DEUTERONOMY 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the
children, neither shall the children be put to death for the
fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (KJV)

So much for Original sin. And also, Jesus had to take sin as HIS OWN, so sin ended at Golgotha. Past and present sin with His stripes we are healed, Then He takes future sins to the cross.

Great occasion for blaspheme, No problem, God set you up if you are speaking against David or the Child. He wanted an occasion His enemies would not be able to resist speaking against.

God really set them up in Deuteronomy 23:2, Using a word which most web sites will not allow, it refers to a child born outside wedlock. Could not enter the Congregation even till the tenth generation, How long is ten 100-year generations? Maybe about a thousand years?

The Potter? The vessel was marred:

(JEREMIAH 18:3) Then I went down to the potter's house, and,
behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. (KJV)
(JEREMIAH 18:4) And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in
the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as
seemed good to the potter to make it. (KJV)

Same lump of clay, David’s child born outside wedlock, and the Child laid in a manger in Bethlehem.

God sent a parable, About David taking Bathsheba to prepare for the Wayfaring man whom had come unto David, the Promise for the Messiah is what has come unto David.

(2SAMUEL 12:4) And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he
spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for
the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's
lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him. (KJV)

(JEREMIAH 14:8) O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time
of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as
a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night? (KJV)

And Jesus is the Wayfaring man David took Bathsheba to prepare for.

“In sin did My Mother conceive Me.”, “Thy Mother is a Hittite”. Bathsheba the wife of Uriah the Hittite. Jesus comes in the Volume of the book.

This has to be in the UNORTHODOX Theology section. And it gets a lot more offensive that this. But who is offended?

(PSALMS 119:165) Great peace have they which love thy law: and
nothing shall offend them. (KJV)

So it is not really a case of "How do you feel about being unorthodox" But WHOM do you really follow?

(JOHN 21:18) Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young,
thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when
thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another
shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. (KJV)


Very unorthodox Ken

P.S. I heard God say "Amen"

[Provoker]

Although I know that some people like the idea of being a heretic, I personally would hate it, so I'm wondering how the people here who fit this category feel about it.
Hello TW:
I find that having unorthodox theology means not being able to discuss religion with religious friends, but that is made up for in the recognition that at least I am attempting to be honest with myself.
I'm amused by those orthodox, who cannot express their thoughts in logically composed text, attempting to tell me that God is not interested in those who actually think...LOL

[Jeannot]

Jesus seems to have been unorthodox.

"A saint is a dead liberal worshipped by conservatives." ;)

[indoctrinated]

Jesus seems to have been unorthodox.

"A saint is a dead liberal worshipped by conservatives." ;)

I agree! I love the quote. Do you have a source for it, or is it just one of those anonymous sayings?

[Jeannot]

I agree! I love the quote. Do you have a source for it, or is it just one of those anonymous sayings?

Sorry, I don't.