Doctrine

[Bob Jenkins]

This thread is started because I mistakenly posted it in a theist only room. It is intended to discuss the authority of doctrine.


From Socrates

“ Why not? God is Triune—three Persons, one Being. The Second Person of the Trinity voluntarily gave up independent use of certain divine powers while Incarnate on Earth (Jesus Christ)—Philippians 25–11). So God the Father could create a rock too heavy for God the Son to lift. Something like that happened when Jesus collapsed under the weight of the crossbeam on the way to the Crucifixion.

There are other simple logical solutions to this old canard. ”



I guess this "spiffy" explanation would not then apply to the God of the OT, at least in Jewish eyes.

“ HoRubbish. The Trinity is what God reveals about His own nature (see Jesus Christ our Creator: A Biblical Defence of the Trinity). Edited by a moderator. His non-refutation of my argument is duly noted w about another "simple" explanation? ”



Do doctrine authors claim "inspiration" too! I know the Pope does but what about your particular sect? I'll grant that these authors might have prayed mighty hard for guidance but you must know the fallacy of "answered" prayer.

[FirstSunday33ad]

06-21-2003 @ 11:10 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=129455#post129455)
Bob Jenkins:

This thread is started because I mistakenly posted it in a theist only room. It is intended to discuss the authority of doctrine.




:huh:

Is there a question or a point in there somewhere?

If it is the old "can God make a rock to big for Him to lift?" the answer to that one is "you are asking if that which can not be created can be created. The answer therefore is no."

What this has to do with the authority of doctrine however, escapes me.

[dizzle]

This also is a theist only section but since you are not trying to argue atheism versus theism but rather to explore the role and place of doctrine in theistic faith, it is appropriate here.

[JCA]

I could be wrong, but I think what is being asked is "DO Christians really believe that the Doctrine of the Trinity, which came after the scriptures, is also inspired?"

Which, I believe, is a good question.

As the Trinity is not clearly described in the Bible in any one spot, only hinted at in many, does the making of a Doctrine surrounding it, come from God, or from mans desire to try and 'discover' as much as possible about God, and then open to possible human fallability?

In discovering what I believe the question to be, I would have to be honest and say that I do not have an answer for that. I know the history of the Trinity Doctrine.. but I am non-denominational, and do not hold to any strict orthodox view about it. Plus, I don't trust man very much, and tend to try and find my own 'truth' - If I am wrong, then I am willing to accept the Judgment of my Lord.

However, as I do not hold to the orthodox view of the Trinity, it is safe to assume that I to question that it is indeed a God inspired Doctrine. But as I do not see it as being an issue of salvation (Christs divinity is necessary, but not the orthodox Trinity).. it isn't one I tend to argue too much... as I can't see God punishing people for not quite understanding His full nature.. IMHO.

And so, the question is valid, even if it isn't the one that the thread starter is asking :teeth:

"DO Christians really believe that the Doctrine of the Trinity, which came after the scriptures, is also inspired?"

And if so, where do we learn in the Bible that the Doctrine IS inspired?

In Love and Peace

JCA

[Bob Jenkins]

JCA,

I have, since I first read one of your posts, respected you for your demeanor and your process of reasoning. I consider it an honor for you to respond to another one of my 'bumblings".

This thread was ill concieved at its start, but you have seen through that and captured the essence. I appreciate the thoughts you expressed regarding the Trinity for it is apt for the thread. I would also like to read TWeb's thoughts in other areas of doctrine. to include inerrancy. The doctrinal issue to be discussed is open, however.

I will studiously try to avoid contention but I may "prod" a poster to more fully develope his or her theme. Mostly, I will be reading.

Thanks again!

[JCA]

Thank you for the kind words, Bob.

However, it seems we aren't going to have anyone answer this for us. Which means, for now, I will have to keep to my own interpretation of the Holy Trinity, and say that although the Orthodox Trinity Doctrine is one possible explanation, I do not find it to be the most compelling.. nor do I consider it to be 'inspired'.

I have my own interpretation of it - HERE (http://www.inloveandpeace.com/trinity.htm) - and that is as far as I have gone, or feel the need to go. Unless someone can give a good reason to delve more.

Thanks again, Bob.. and I don't see seeking truth as 'bumbling' or rambling etc.. :smile: Questions are good; answers supply growth.. I hope you get good, honest answers to all your questions, and come away from T-Web with better understandings.. If anything *I* say is worth keeping, well then you are more than welcome :smile:


In Love and Peace

JCA

[themuzicman]

JCA - Seems to me that you either have to accept the Trinity, or a polytheistic system, if Jesus is, in fact, divine.

Michael

[JCA]

Today @ 12:35 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=137657#post137657)
themuzicman:

JCA - Seems to me that you either have to accept the Trinity, or a polytheistic system, if Jesus is, in fact, divine.

Michael

Thats the whole question, Michael.. does one indeed have to accept the Trinity? Where does it say this in the Bible? Do you believe the Trinity is required doctrine for Salvation? :huh:

Also, did you read the conclusion I came to on the page I linked to? That is what I have uncovered as the "Trinity"... is more required?

I guess I agree with your reply.. I have to accept that there is some relationship and bonding of some form between the HS, God, and Christ.. I just do not believe that it is a complete "one in the same person" kind of link.

The quesiton remains though.. is the Trinity Doctrine 'inspired', and if so, how and where do we learn it is such from the Bible, and not from Man?

Thank you for at least giving an opinion :smile:

In Love and Peace

JCA