Religion: Food for thought, or Opiate?

[mickiel]

I am quite impressed with the white dove that TheologyWeb has on its home page hovering over Campus. If the Dove, which perhaps symbolizes peace, flys down and attacks someone, pecking out their eyes, what is it then symbolizing if it causes blindness?

If a race wants to offer peace to another race, then roles its Trojan Horse into their camp to symbolize the Peace, as an offering of Peace, turns out to be a way of attacking and killing off the race who allowed it into its own, then is that Peace, Wisdom in War, or just plain deception?

If Jesus, who created this world and all of its people, comes into his own creation and is slaughtered and brutally killed by our ancestors, if this Jesus, who was beaten, is planning on beating most humans he created for all eternity, is that sanity? Is that reason? Is it reasonable for Jesus to give his creation life, then turn around and give them something that can ruin that life forever, something called free will, if he knew free will would destroy his creation and render salvation a minimal thing some accept, why in the world of sound reason would Jesus do such a horrible thing?

Well either religion is right and thats what happened, or their smoking their own doctrine and teaching multiple illousions as our only hope for the future. I need rational reason to help me understand this world of illousions. In John 6:48, Jesus called himself the bread of life. In John 10:10, he makes a very astounding claim, " I came that they might have life, and have it abundantly". It is totally unreasonable to believe that Jesus is an oncomming death and suffering machine for all of humanitys sinners. Why then is the bible being used to condemn humankind? What makes people think the bible is the key to BOTH death and destruction AND eternal life, as if BOTH can mutally exist? People are not searching the scriptures for life, as if they think it can be found, they are searching for the death and suffering of the sinner, who is the heart and core of Gods creation.

In Luke 5:32, Jesus claims his mission on earth has nothing to do with these righteous people teaching the damnation of the sinner, he claims to have come FOR the sinner, and bring them to repent from sin. Religion has dissilousioned that mission. Do you know how many people have sinned, ARE sinning? EVERYONE, so Jesus message, his mission, his purpose is for EVERYONE. I read a post today where a person believes Jesus has not come for sinners. I just shook my head in disbelief. God stated why he sent Jesus in 1John 4:14, to save the world, the bible always means sinners when it says world. Jesus said it, God said it, what in the world of reason is religion teaching? John 1:29 calls Christ the Lamb who has done something for the whole world, what? Taken away their sins. Why is religion then afraid of sin? And teaching that handicap to its people. Jesus tasted death for everyone, Heb.2:9, why is religion making people feel left out of that equation?If 1Tim.2:6 says ALL have been ransomed, why does religion teach only righteous believers are ransomed? And why is that illousion so widely accepted?Why is the life in these verses perverted to mean judgemental death, as if God has willed that sinners perish?

I don't know Carl Marxx, but I believe he was right, religion is the Opiate of the People, Jesus is the Savior of all peoples.

Peace, Mickiel.

[InChristAlways]

In Luke 5:32, Jesus claims his mission on earth has nothing to do with these righteous people teaching the damnation of the sinner, he claims to have come FOR the sinner, and bring them to repent from sin. Religion has dissilousioned that mission. Do you know how many people have sinned, ARE sinning? EVERYONE, so Jesus message, his mission, his purpose is for EVERYONE. If 1Tim.2:6 says ALL have been ransomed, why does religion teach only righteous believers are ransomed? And why is that illousion so widely accepted?Why is the life in these verses perverted to mean judgemental death, as if God has willed that sinners perish?

I don't know Carl Marxx, but I believe he was right, religion is the Opiate of the People, Jesus is the Savior of all peoples.
Hi Mickiel. I wonder the same thing and how the churches can put themselves as any more righteous than than unbelieving "sinners". It almost appears as if "believers" are more in "danger" of God's wrath than "unbelievers". LOL.
Blessings.

Here , Jesus is talking to "believers in God". Jesus actually states the "blind" are not guilty of sin!!! How the heck can that be?


John 9:40 Then [some] of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?" 41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains.

Here again, this is a letter to "believers":

Reve 3:14 " And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ' These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 "Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing' -- and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked --

[Scruffy]

"We are not necessarily doubting that God will do the best for us; we are wondering how painful the best will turn out to be."

C. S. Lewis

[mickiel]

[QUOTE=InChristAlways]Hi Mickiel. I wonder the same thing and how the churches can put themselves as any more righteous than than unbelieving "sinners". It almost appears as if "believers" are more in "danger" of God's wrath than "unbelievers". LOL.
Blessings.




Greetings InChristAlways,

Yes, churches and christians think it is only them who need a Spiritual Physician or only them who are recipiants of salvation. Jesus taught so differently than they do its pathectic, yet they have seduced the world into thinking they represent Christ. Look at Matt.9:12-13, and this is Jesus himself speaking. He said it is not those who are healthy who need a Physician, but those who are sick. What Jesus taught right there that it is not righteous believers who need him and Gods salvation, but sick, sick, perverted , and evil sinners, THOSE are who really need forgiveness, salvation, and grace. christians think because THEY turn away from these kind of humans that Jesus does, that is NOT true. Read verse 13; Jesus told people to go and LEARN what this MEANS:" Jesus DESIRES compassion, NOT RIGHTEOUS SACRIFICE, for I DIDNOT come to call, or ELECT, the RIGHTEOUS( or believers) but sinners to repentance". christians do not know what that means, they have not learned Jesus mission. Look how simple Jesus words are, and yet religion has TOTALLY distorted them.

Believers in Christ are actually teaching that Jesus is Gods Trojan Horse sent to the world. Instead of him bringing life and everlasting peace to all in the world, hes going to come out of the Trojan Horse of Peace and give judgement to humanity that will punish them forever. Forget about what he plainly said about sinners, the religous righteous DONOT DESIRE him to do that, they DESIRE him to PUNISH SINNERS FOREVER!. So thats what they JOYFULLY TEACH! I think thats a pitiful shame, and its not whats comming out of Christ mouth. Look at Mark 3:28, Truly I say to you all the sins of humans SHALL be forgiven. Religion IS NOT saying that, their saying, oh no the sins won't be forgiven, just like the devil told Adam and Eve, well God told you one thing, but I, satan am telling you another, and satan is still doing that.

Then Christ talks about blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, and that never being forgiven. What is that? I think that sin can only be committed by those who HAVE the Spirit of God, otherwise you cannot utter against what you do not have. Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit I believe is telling an UTTER LIE against the Spirit of God, like saying people have no forgiveness, who Christ says they do. Like saying unbelievers have no salvation when Jesus death ASSURED that they do. So they are committing blasphemey, but teaching its the sinners who are. But I believe even that will EVENTUALLY be forgiven by God, not in THIS agae, but one yet to come, because I think religous people are just as blind as everyone else, and the sin of blaspheming will be forgiven in another age to come. I do not view God as a being who will never forgive.

And I truthfully believe this is a reason SO MANY misinterpit the bible. Jesus clearly states there will never be forgiveness for this. If you stop there and believe that, then you are not looking for forgiveness for blasphemers, you are satisfied with that proclimation. The bible is a book you must SEARCH FOR LIFE, FOR SALVATION, for forgiveness, and ITS THERE! Oh how its there. 1John 2:2, covers blasphemers as does Luke 9:56. And Romans 5th chapter shows the importance of JUST ONE sin CANNOT DOOM ANYONE. But IF your mind and heart DESIRES doom, you WILLNOT search the scriptures for life.

Peace, Mickiel.