InChristAlways
September 27th 2005, 08:08 PM
I found this site that says a handfull of prophecies were fulfilled for Israel in 1948. Is this mainstream christianity view and how many agree with this. Do any OT prophecies relate to Israel in 1948 or say, 1967? Thanks.
Israel was destroyed approximately 721 B.C. Judah was destroyed approximately 135 years later. For the last 2500 years, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the Land of Israel. Nevertheless, the Bible shows that the day would come when Israel would be reborn into a nation. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948. Israel greatly travailed in pain after Jesus was born as many of her children were slaughtered. Israel greatly travailed in pain to be reborn into a nation as approximately six million Jews were slaughtered. But, afterward, came forth the rebirth of Israel.
Israel will also greatly travail in pain during the Tribulation as two-thirds of Israel will be cut off and die. One-third will survive. And then will come forth the glorious Israel as the Messiah shall return and set up His Kingdom. Israel will indeed be the blessed nation. As it is written, THEIR SINS AND INIQUITIES WILL I REMEMBER NO MORE-Heb 10:17.
http://www.konig.org/page3.htm
Ten fulfilled in 1948
These 10 Bible prophecies were fulfilled in 1948 when Israel became an independent, united nation for the second time in history, and for the first time in 2,900 years.
Bible passage: Amos 9:14-15
Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:10-14
Bible passage: Isaiah 66:7-8
Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:21-22
Bible passage: Jeremiah 16:14-15
Bible passage: Ezekiel 4:3-6
Bible passage: Ezekiel 34:13
Bible passage: Jeremiah 31:10
Bible passage: Leviticus 26:3, 7-8
Bible passage: Deuteronomy 30:3-5
Provoker
September 28th 2005, 09:52 PM
I found this site that says a handfull of prophecies were fulfilled for Israel in 1948. Is this mainstream christianity view and how many agree with this. Do any OT prophecies relate to Israel in 1948 or say, 1967? Thanks.
http://www.konig.org/page3.htm
Ten fulfilled in 1948
These 10 Bible prophecies were fulfilled in 1948 when Israel became an independent, united nation for the second time in history, and for the first time in 2,900 years.
Bible passage: Amos 9:14-15
Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:10-14
Bible passage: Isaiah 66:7-8
Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:21-22
Bible passage: Jeremiah 16:14-15
Bible passage: Ezekiel 4:3-6
Bible passage: Ezekiel 34:13
Bible passage: Jeremiah 31:10
Bible passage: Leviticus 26:3, 7-8
Bible passage: Deuteronomy 30:3-5
Hello ICA:
There is no apparent evidence that the modern state of Israel is the resurrection of covenant Israel.
When covenant Israel is resurrected, it will be a unified people which loves God and loves one another, and will be sovereign on all the land between the Euphrates and the Nile.
The modern state of Israel is a "non-covenant" nation which simply chose to use the same name as God's covenant nation Israel...just the same as the "non-covenant" Samarian portion of the divided children of Israel, used the same name as God's covenant nation Israel.
What do you think?
Hidden Manna
September 28th 2005, 11:12 PM
Hello ICA:
There is no apparent evidence that the modern state of Israel is the resurrection of covenant Israel.
When covenant Israel is resurrected, it will be a unified people which loves God and loves one another, and will be sovereign on all the land between the Euphrates and the Nile.
The modern state of Israel is a "non-covenant" nation which simply chose to use the same name as God's covenant nation Israel...just the same as the "non-covenant" Samarian portion of the divided children of Israel, used the same name as God's covenant nation Israel.
What do you think?
I never thought of the Jews in our day fulfilling any Bible prophecy because they are not the biblical Jews or Israel that is in the Bible.
1948 Israel?
The reestablishment of the state of Israel in 1948 is considered to be the most important sign that the second coming is near. One of the great problems with this dispensational view is that there is no rebirth of Israel or rebuilt temple mentioned anywhere in the New Testament. Nor is the supposed re-gathering of the Jews to their homeland. This is puzzling, because if the rebirth of Israel is the “super sign,” you would think it would be very prominent in prophetic passages such as Matt. 24 and Revelation. It simply is not.
There is only one passage that dispensationalists point to that they say speaks of the rebirth of Israel and that is in Matt. 24.
“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.”
The thought is that the fig tree represents a re-born Israel. However, other passages in the New Testament cast doubt upon this interpretation. In Matthew 24’s parallel passage in Luke 21 Jesus says to “look at the fig tree and all the trees. When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near (Luke 21:29-30).” Are we talking about the rebirth of many nations here? It is far more logical to assume that Jesus was merely using the fig tree(s) as an object lesson.
Moreover, other passages that could associate Israel with a fig tree always speak of judgment and never of any sort of rebirth.
“Now in the morning, as He returned to the city, He was hungry. And seeing a fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it but leaves, and said to it, ‘Let no fruit grow on you ever again.’ Immediately the fig tree withered away.
And when the disciples saw it, they marveled, saying, ‘How did the fig tree wither away so soon?’
So Jesus answered and said to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ it will be done.’” Matthew 21:18-21
Most scholars believe this particular fig tree did represent Old Covenant Israel. It was about to pass away and never bear fruit again. Jesus was not just mad because he wanted some figs and could not get any. Moreover, never again means never again.
Furthermore, when Jesus said that if they had faith and did not doubt, they would not only do what was done to the fig tree, but they could also say to this mountain “Be removed and be cast into the sea,” and it would be done. Was Jesus given them permission to tear up actual mountains and cast them into the sea? No, He was talking about something spiritual.
For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. (For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow.” And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.”)
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:18-24
If they had faith, they would see the Old Covenant which was represented by Mount Sinai torn up and cast away. And indeed it was.
Let us consider another parable with a fig tree.
“I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem? I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’ And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’” (Luke 9:3-9)
Obviously, the fig tree is not a nation about to be reborn, but one that was about to be judged, and indeed it was. It is interesting that Jesus probably told this parable in the third year of His ministry.
Next we must look at the covenantal implications of the rebirth of Israel. God’s promise to give the Jews the land of Israel as their inheritance was an Old Covenant promise. This begs the question is the Old Covenant still in effect? If we say it passed away with the coming of the New Covenant, then so did the promise of the land.
However, if we say that it is still in effect for the Jews, we still run into problems. In the scriptures the promise that the Jews would hold the land of Israel was conditional. Deuteronomy 28 tells us “If you are not careful to do all the words of this law … you shall be plucked off the land that you are entering to take possession of it, And the LORD will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other. …” If the people who now live in Israel are not keeping the Law of Moses (and they can’t be. The Mosaic Law ceased to be observed in AD. 70, and it has never been observed in full since.), how can we say that God has given them the land back?
Even if you say that God’s covenant with Abraham to give the Jews the physical land of Israel is still in effect, look what the Bible says are God’s conditions for remembering His promise.
“But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me, and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt— then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land, Leviticus 26:40-42.
Did the Jews meet this condition before the 1948 re-gathering? No! This dispensational view essentially makes God a liar!
Provoker
September 29th 2005, 05:57 PM
Hello Hidden Manna:
I think it is best to look at the basic story in it's simplest form, before attempting to interpret the technical details...LOL
God made an everlasting covenant, with the national assembly called Israel, in which He promised that if Israel would keep God's laws, God would make Israel into a great nation, which would become a blessing to all the nations of the world.
Israel had a tendancy to break the covenant, but then when Israel repented, God always took Israel back because the covenant is everlasting.
Eventually, Israel made the mistake of breaking the covenant by splitting into two enemy nations, which made repentance virtually impossible, and the two enemy nations went to their respective national destructions, without ever becoming the covenant nation of Israel again(repenting).
God's covenant plan for all the nations of the world, has been stalled for almost 3000 years now, waiting for Israel to repent, but in order for repentance to take place this time, Israel must be resurrected from the dead, and that is the reason for the building of an assembly(church) of people who have the spirit of the kingdom in their hearts, who will watch, wait, and prepare, for the coming of the prophesied king who will lead them to re-possession of the land, and the resurrection of the kingdom.
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