Suicide Bombing in Oklahoma. Mass media ignores.

[Epoetker]

I'm not particularly mad that a suicide bombing happened in Oklahoma.

I'm mad that a suicide bombing happened in Oklahoma on October 1st, at a sporting event, and I've only heard about it today.

The MSM's been stonewalling a little too much even for my taste.

Anyway, for details on the incident, go here. (http://billhobbs.com/2005/10/why_is_the_msm_ignoring_this_s.html) Or here. (http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003680.htm)

For details on the Muslimness of the bomber, go here. (http://tapscottscopydesk.blogspot.com/2005/10/more-suicide-bomber-links-to-ou.html)

And if you're in the mood to write a nasty letter to any media outlet for not telling you about it in their mad rush to sensationalize everything coming out of Iraq, feel free to do so.

[Raptor]

Let's not jump the gun just yet. I go to school there, and the everything I've heard about this kid is that he was a shy loner who had social problems. The Islam rumors have been flying about( and a stretch, IMO). It appears at this time he only wanted to kill himself.

[Amazing Rando]

That is curious it hasn't been picked up by the news. I googled it and the only site I'd ever even heard of that covered it was WorldNetDaily. :nsm:

[Raptor]

It's was during the 2nd quarter of the OU- K-State game.

Here's a link to the oklahoma news media coverage. You will have to register to read the articles.

http://newsok.com/search.php?type=NewsOK&search=joel+hinrichs


Be sure to look at the article where they talk to his father. He says his son wasn't much for politics.

[Epoetker]

And a whole bunch of local Oklahoma stations, though perhaps it's because calling a suicide bomber a suicide bomber is something only done by less genteel publications nowadays.

I don't think he had any ties to 'official' terrorist groups per se; it's just an example of the whole sympathetic-to-Islamic-movement thing. Perhaps he had friends or co-religionists interested in helping him, but that would be about the extent of it.

It only takes a few like-minded people, some Islam, some hatred, and some bomb-making material to start a terrorist group. I'm betting he was the only one semi-serious enough to go through with it. Glad he didn't actually kill anyone, but that bomb was filled with shrapnel, so the maker, at least, was intending to kill someone.

They've brought his roommates in for questioning now.

[Busheses]

I'm not particularly mad that a suicide bombing happened in Oklahoma.

I'm mad that a suicide bombing happened in Oklahoma on October 1st, at a sporting event, and I've only heard about it today.

The MSM's been stonewalling a little too much even for my taste.

Anyway, for details on the incident, go here. (http://billhobbs.com/2005/10/why_is_the_msm_ignoring_this_s.html) Or here. (http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003680.htm)

For details on the Muslimness of the bomber, go here. (http://tapscottscopydesk.blogspot.com/2005/10/more-suicide-bomber-links-to-ou.html)

And if you're in the mood to write a nasty letter to any media outlet for not telling you about it in their mad rush to sensationalize everything coming out of Iraq, feel free to do so.
Perhaps because this was no terrorist attack????

Here's the official release from the FBI

FBI Memo (http://www.newsok.com/cc/o4_fbi_statement.pdf)

[Epoetker]

A person who blows himself up in order to kill people in order to serve some higher cause is a terrorist. Especially when he's been heavily influenced by a lot of other people who support the goals of terrorists. I mean, his roommate was a Palestinian, the bombs were made according to formulas commonly used by Palestinian suicide bombers, and he...went to the same mosque that Zacarias Mussaui went to.

Not too hard to see why he might do this, though again I'm glad the suicide bombing ended up being a suicide and not a homicide.

[Raptor]

But he didn't display (at least publicly) proof of being a member of Islam. Other engineering students just described him as weird....

[Dave G]

I live in Norman, and haven't heard anything about Islamic ties. His family history shows that he has been interested in blowing things up for most of his life. I think he also had a history of depression, and raptor is right, the interviews with his father do not show any religious motivation. And lets face it, even though he did it where a huge amount of people were, nobody else got hurt. What kind of terrorist bomber does that?

[technomage]

I'm mad that a suicide bombing happened in Oklahoma on October 1st, at a sporting event, and I've only heard about it today.

I heard about it on the day it happened. On CNN Headline News.

Pay more attention to the news and you pick up on these things. :wink:

[NeilUnreal]

I saw the report on T.V. right after it happened.

-Neil

[Epoetker]

And yet those who googled only found a WorldNetDaily reference?

Mentioning something like this in passing is almost as bad as not mentioning it.

[technomage]

And yet those who googled only found a WorldNetDaily reference?

Mentioning something like this in passing is almost as bad as not mentioning it.
CNN website doesn't necessarily pick up on the stories Headline News carries.

But yeah--I heard this .. eh, I think between 10:30 and 11:00 Saturday. Now, since then, of course, we've found out quite a bit more--that he was a recent convert to Islam, had a history of mental problems and depression, and recently attempted to by ammonium nitrate.

But lemme remind you of something--if he was not connected to a teror cell, and simply decided to do this on his own, then it's not "news"--especially because he failed to take out anyone but himself. And if he was connected to a terror cell, then the investigators aren't going to tell the media bippy, because that could mess up the investigation.

Watch and wait, Epo. Rushing to judgement may be premature.

[sylas]

And yet those who googled only found a WorldNetDaily reference?

Mentioning something like this in passing is almost as bad as not mentioning it.

This is nuts. This is a personal tragedy, involving a young teenager with a history of depression. Noone else was hurt. There was no significant damage to property. The links to Islam and terrorism are very thin. It is positively indecent that people are trying to drum this up into a terrorist scare; and that is the only reason it would be a national news item. It's being investigated by the FBI. There is legitimate cause for concern with anyone having bombs in public; but it should not be the focus of a pile of uninformed speculations and rumours.

Demanding national news coverage on the basis of the kinds of indirect speculation flying around is unethical and cruel irresponsibility.

Sylas

[Epoetker]

This is nuts. This is a personal tragedy,

Those merely tragically depressed find plenty of ways to kill themselves without filling a bomb with shrapnel and detonating it in a populated area.

involving a young teenager with a history of depression.

A history of 'depression' among teenagers is quite common. How many people at colleges across America fit the profile? How often have they been marks for the more pedestrian predators and hustlers out there?

Noone else was hurt. There was no significant damage to property.

And without a full and public investigation, none of those responsible for influencing him to die in this most curiously dangerous method will be hurt or damaged, when they very much should be.

The links to Islam and terrorism are very thin.

The links to Islam and terrorism are the only simple and rational explanations.

It is positively indecent that people are trying to drum this up into a terrorist scare; and that is the only reason it would be a national news item. It's being investigated by the FBI. There is legitimate cause for concern with anyone having bombs in public; but it should not be the focus of a pile of uninformed speculations and rumours.

Demanding national news coverage on the basis of the kinds of indirect speculation flying around is unethical and cruel irresponsibility.

On the contrary. I used to go to UC Irvine. I've seen how the Muslim student associations operate and intimidate. There's far more support for terrorism among the collegiate Islamic population than in the general Islamic public. The sooner their public and private proselytizing methods are exposed, the sooner they can be dealt with.

[Busheses]

Those merely tragically depressed find plenty of ways to kill themselves without filling a bomb with shrapnel and detonating it in a populated area.Note to self.... If I ever think about commiting suicide, contact EPO to get OK on method.

[C. D. Ward]

The links to Islam and terrorism are the only simple and rational explanations.
No, in fact they are not. Equally rational and simple alternative explanations have been offered in this very thread.

Correlation is not causation, and the prudent course is to withhold judgement until all the facts are in...

[Epoetker]

'Disturbed' and 'depressed' are not explanations. They're brush-offs, or at worst tautologies. Like saying 'that man killed the other man because he was 'murderous.'' If this person had been disturbed and depressed so long while he was alive, what made him decide to kill himself now, in that particular fashion?

Really, claiming that crimes are caused by vague emotional states is a method for avoiding assigning responsibility or blame to anyone. Or worse, to everyone. Plenty of suicides happen without all that messy risk of collateral damage. Actually, suicides are usually committed alone. Somebody had to build that bomb, and put shrapnel in it. While not absolutely necessary, someone probably motivated the guy to destroy himself in that particular fashion. I suppose it's just a complete and utter coincidence that it happened to be that particular fashion that's common in Palestine and Iraq nowadays.

And the enemy is quite practiced at using the mentally disturbed. (http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/2005/08/jungle-law_10.html) My own philosophy is that Islam itself provides a good enough framework for the type of mental disturbance necessary to commit suicide bombings, but I'll leave you to your own opinions on that one.

But ignoring and hand-waving quite common correlations in the face of evidence of their existence is foolish. And it lowers my opinion of you considerably.

[bandecoot]

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Nice job people. :thumb:

[{Tim}]

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'Disturbed' and 'depressed' are not explanations. They're brush-offs, or at worst tautologies. Like saying 'that man killed the other man because he was 'murderous.'' If this person had been disturbed and depressed so long while he was alive, what made him decide to kill himself now, in that particular fashion?So, uh, you're saying that because you don't think it makes sense for him to have done that, obviously he didn't do that? You don't think he might have done something that doesn't make sense?
IIRC someone made a mention of a "history of interest in bombs"... meh, if I knew something about bombs, why wouldn't I choose that as a way to kill myself? Surely it would be less painful that, say, trying to stab myself or something... :egad: