David Ben-Ariel faces the Aryan Nations

[David Ben-Ariel]

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:42:36 -0400, National Director of the Aryan
Nations/Tabernacle of Phinehas Priesthood, August Kreis wrote:

I just want to ask, why our forum

Greetings August Kreis,

Why not? My agenda is to serve the Great God of Israel, sharing the plain truth of His Bible and announce His soon coming Kingdom of God-Beings to rule on Earth and save all mankind from extinction. This clarity of mind, vision and purpose also includes serving as an emissary of Joseph (revealing the Israelite origins of the West). This God-given message must reach those high and low, rich and poor, regardless of race or religion.

Our views are not the same from what I can see.

They are not the same in that I am against throwing out the baby with the bathwater, dismissing all Jews as liberals or all blacks or minorities as militant and subversives. For biblical reasons I believe the Jews ought to return to the Jewish homeland (http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=53727) (as both the Bible and Judaism (http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=64255) teach) and blacks to Africa, as a general rule. This is out of love for God, His Word and all peoples, and in the best interest of every nation.

You are pro-israel anti-Muslim.

I am pro-Israel as far as acknowledging it as the Promised Land of ISRAEL not Ishmael, calling for an end to the Nazi-Muslim occupation of the Temple Mount, calling for the Temple Mount to be liberated of its foreign objects, its militant mosques removed, the world's holiest site restored as the Temple Mount, hosting the House of Prayer for All Peoples (http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=55913) and Nations interested in worshiping Jacob-Israel's God, as any objective Bible-believer should believe and support wholeheartedly.

Even the Koran confesses it's the Holy Land of Israel, as Sheik Abdul Hadi Palazzi (http://www.rb.org.il/Islam-Israel/islam.htm) courageously states, and we are anti-Nazi-Muslims, those Muslims who have permitted their religion to be hijacked by the Wahabi Islamo-fascists who continue to suicidally preach the genocidal policies of the Third Reich. They are "useful idiots" for the Aryans who would ultimately eliminate them, as well.

We see the jews as the enemy of ALL races and a evil parasitic menace
on this earth.

Then you're not seeing too clearly and are...

click here for more (http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=80512)

David, our forum rules only allow quoting up to 2 paragraphs of articles from other web sites.

[Morton Gneiss]

blah blah blah Only then will we become One Nation Under God, a truly United Kingdom.

Did you post this to illustrate why this will never happen? Take this conversation and multiply it times a couple thousand sects of Christianity, then add in the other monothesitic groups, and the result will be fairly close to the true scope of the problem that blocks any hope of Unity.

Unorthodox theology 201 is for theists only. Since you indicated that you are an agnostic you should not be posting here. Thanks for understanding

[technomage]

Shalom,

Though I fear I give that greeting in vain. David, you cannot demonstrate your superiority to the Aryan Nations folks when your rhetoric is just as dishonest as theirs. The Palestinians are no more "Nazi" than you are.

Still, if wishes count for anything, shalom aleichem.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Did you post this to illustrate why this will never happen?

With God all things are possible. If a former murderer of Christians can become one of the most zealous promoters of it, Aryan Nation members can be brought to repentance concerning their murderous hatred of our Jewish brethren.

the true scope of the problem that blocks any hope of Unity.

When King Messiah rules, it will be with a ROD OF IRON, as necessary, to knock some sense into heads of state and individuals. There will be unity, even if it must initially be ENFORCED.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Shalom,

Though I fear I give that greeting in vain.

Why? Don't you have peace in your heart and mind? Are you writing with a war-like intent of aggression? Is your shalom sincere?

you cannot demonstrate your superiority to the Aryan Nations folks

It's not about "superiority." Truth transcends such pettiness. It's about the plain truth of the Bible.

your rhetoric is just as dishonest as theirs. The Palestinians are no more "Nazi" than you are.

Rhetoric is a loaded and prejudicial word. My words are not dishonest. I purposely refer to a particular part of the Muslim population (the majority) as Nazi-Muslim, for they do continue to support the genocidal policies of the Third Reich against the Jews and Mein Kampf is a best-seller among them. Why are you in denial of this or weren't you aware of these facts? Have you googled Nazi-Muslim to see the historic facts? Try it and you might get a better understanding.

[technomage]

Why? Don't you have peace in your heart and mind?

I do ... but I must admit that I have doubts that you do.

Rhetoric is a loaded and prejudicial word.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

[Krusader]

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:42:36 -0400, National Director of the Aryan
Nations/Tabernacle of Phinehas Priesthood, August Kreis wrote:

I just want to ask, why our forum

Greetings August Kreis,

Why not? My agenda is to serve the Great God of Israel, sharing the plain truth of His Bible and announce His soon coming Kingdom of God-Beings to rule on Earth and save all mankind from extinction. This clarity of mind, vision and purpose also includes serving as an emissary of Joseph (revealing the Israelite origins of the West). This God-given message must reach those high and low, rich and poor, regardless of race or religion.



You are an emissary of Joseph? Do you mean Joseph Smith? You are going to prove that Westerners are really of Israelite origin? British Israelite-ism....already disproven by genetic testing. Boy, give them a platform and they'll keep coming!!!!

[technomage]

Hi, Crusader,

You are an emissary of Joseph? Do you mean Joseph Smith?

Nah ... David seems to be an Armstrongist, not a Mormon.

You are going to prove that Westerners are really of Israelite origin? British Israelite-ism....already disproven by genetic testing. Boy, give them a platform and they'll keep coming!!!!

The Energizer Bunny is an Armstrongist? :shocked:

[Krusader]

Hi, Crusader,



Nah ... David seems to be an Armstrongist, not a Mormon.



The Energizer Bunny is an Armstrongist? :shocked:

Well, Cup, who is this Joseph he's representing?

[technomage]

Well, Cup, who is this Joseph he's representing?
Joseph, son of Judah. According to Armstrong (and some other Anglo-Israeli proponents), the United States and Britain are to be identified with Manasseh and Ephraim, respectively.

[Krusader]

Joseph, son of Judah. According to Armstrong (and some other Anglo-Israeli proponents), the United States and Britain are to be identified with Manasseh and Ephraim, respectively.

Thanks Cup, I thought maybe that's what he was saying.

[Timothy Leary]

"and we are anti-Nazi-Muslims"

I thought this guy was a Chrisian, according to his faith icon? My two sheckels: ignore this guy.

[technomage]

"and we are anti-Nazi-Muslims"

I thought this guy was a Chrisian, according to his faith icon?

Sort of--he sounds like he's propagating some of the British Israelism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism) that used to be taught by the Worldwide Church of God. WCOG has rejected this teaching (along with several others), but a lot of folks left the WCOG to continue the belief.

My two sheckels: ignore this guy.

Hey, a sheqel's worth about 23 cents--I'll trade you my two cents for your two sheqels all day long.

[Morton Gneiss]

With God all things are possible. If a former murderer of Christians can become one of the most zealous promoters of it, Aryan Nation members can be brought to repentance concerning their murderous hatred of our Jewish brethren.

All things possible..is that why the conversation ended with him saying "Death to all Jews!"? God must not have wanted you to win that one.



When King Messiah rules, it will be with a ROD OF IRON, as necessary, to knock some sense into heads of state and individuals. There will be unity, even if it must initially be ENFORCED.

Good luck with that facist agenda, though I don't think the other 4.3 billion of the populace are going to subscribe. There are likely many more, but I don't know which sect you subscribe to.

Unorthodox theology 201 is for theists only. Since you indicated that you are an agnostic you should not be posting here. Thanks for understanding

[David Ben-Ariel]

You are an emissary of Joseph?

Yes. Emissary of the Tribe of Joseph, the leading tribe of the Northern Israelites, today's so-called "Lost Ten Tribes."

Do you mean Joseph Smith?

No.

You are going to prove that Westerners are really of Israelite origin?

Fufilled prophecies, time and again, already prove that to those who aren't willfully blind. Joseph's brethren stood right before him and didn't recognize him - all foreshadowing what's happened again in these last days of civilization as we know it.

The United States and Britain in Bible Prophecy (http://www.gnmagazine.org/booklets/US)

Of course it's necessary to believe as I do, that the Bible is the Word of our Great Creator God, to respect the prophecies about the Israelite origins of the West and to rejoice in God's faithfulness in fulfilling them! Blessed be the God of Jacob-Israel!

[apostoli]

Rhetoric is a loaded and prejudicial word. My words are not dishonest. I purposely refer to a particular part of the Muslim population (the majority) as Nazi-Muslim, for they do continue to support the genocidal policies of the Third Reich against the Jews and Mein Kampf is a best-seller among them. Why are you in denial of this or weren't you aware of these facts? Have you googled Nazi-Muslim to see the historic facts? Try it and you might get a better understanding.There is irony in what you say. The Nazis were not only anti-semetic (which would include all Arabs), but also anti-black. So a majority of western Muslim would be annihilated under a Nazi regime (not sure of the Nazi position on Asians). They also included gypsies in their definition of aberations of nature.

It should be remembered that Ismael and Isaac had the same Father. The Jews trace their origins to Abram as do the Muslims. However, what is often forgot: we do have those estranged groups that might trace their way back to Lots rape by his daughters.

[Krusader]

Yes. Emissary of the Tribe of Joseph, the leading tribe of the Northern Israelites, today's so-called "Lost Ten Tribes."



No.



Fufilled prophecies, time and again, already prove that to those who aren't willfully blind. Joseph's brethren stood right before him and didn't recognize him - all foreshadowing what's happened again in these last days of civilization as we know it.

The United States and Britain in Bible Prophecy (http://www.gnmagazine.org/booklets/US)

Of course it's necessary to believe as I do, that the Bible is the Word of our Great Creator God, to respect the prophecies about the Israelite origins of the West and to rejoice in God's faithfulness in fulfilling them! Blessed be the God of Jacob-Israel!


Yes, I do believe the Bible is the infallible and inerrant Word of God - which means that Northamericans and Brits are NOT of Jewish origin....and also, that in the last days there will be many false prophets.........

[technomage]

Yes, I do believe the Bible is the infallible and inerrant Word of God - which means that Northamericans and Brits are NOT of Jewish origin....and also, that in the last days there will be many false prophets.........

Hey, Crusader--for future reference, the next time someone brings up Anglo-Israelism, remind them of the reverence the Celts and Anglo-Saxons had for pigs--not to mention Celtic and Anglo-Saxon polytheism. If they had been of Jewish origin, they'd have gotten kicked out of the Covenant so fast their descendants would still have footprints on their backsides! :lol:

[Krusader]

Hey, Crusader--for future reference, the next time someone brings up Anglo-Israelism, remind them of the reverence the Celts and Anglo-Saxons had for pigs--not to mention Celtic and Anglo-Saxon polytheism. If they had been of Jewish origin, they'd have gotten kicked out of the Covenant so fast their descendants would still have footprints on their backsides! :lol:

Good point, and English bacon is one of my favorites!

[technomage]

Good point, and English bacon is one of my favorites!

Ooh, you had to remind me! I had some applewood smoked bacon a few months ago ... thick-sliced, and absolutely WUNNERFUL! My mouth still waters.

[mickiel]

Yes. Emissary of the Tribe of Joseph, the leading tribe of the Northern Israelites, today's so-called "Lost Ten Tribes."
!




Do you believe Herbert W. Armstrong was an Apostle?

[David Ben-Ariel]

The Nazis were not only anti-semetic (which would include all Arabs),

You obviously don't know your history too well. Just google Nazi Muslim and it will help correct your misunderstandings immediately and help explain why Mein Kampf continues to be a bestseller in the many Arab countries and how they continue the wicked work of the Third Reich with their daily calls for genocide against the Jews.


It should be remembered that Ismael and Isaac had the same Father. The Jews trace their origins to Abram as do the Muslims.

And so do the Anglo-Saxons and the white peoples of Northwestern Europe, as Orthodox Israeli Jew Yair Davidiy reveals at his excellent Brit Am Israel (http://www.britam.org) site.

What should be remembered is that Sarah was inspired by God to command "Ishmael must go!" - a prophetic type of today. And let us submit that neither Ishmael or Esau continued in the worship of the One true God, which is why it's stressed in the Prophets that folks will ultimately say "let us go up to the House of the God of JACOB."

[Hitch]

Shalom,

Though I fear I give that greeting in vain. David, you cannot demonstrate your superiority to the Aryan Nations folks when your rhetoric is just as dishonest as theirs. The Palestinians are no more "Nazi" than you are.

Still, if wishes count for anything, shalom aleichem.Heh-heh