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yoki
October 16th 2005, 09:08 PM
Does God's Holiness Cause Him to be Indifferent or Cruel?

I pose this question in thinking about God sustaining the conscious existence of the damned so that they might endure endless suffering. It doesn't make much sense to me because I guess I'm not holy. But if I was holy, would this mean that I could act just as cruelly as God is supposed to do?

Usually the orthodox folk don't like to tackle such issues, so I will understand if you don't. But what about all you heretics out there?

seer
October 17th 2005, 06:35 AM
Does God's Holiness Cause Him to be Indifferent or Cruel?

I pose this question in thinking about God sustaining the conscious existence of the damned so that they might endure endless suffering. It doesn't make much sense to me because I guess I'm not holy. But if I was holy, would this mean that I could act just as cruelly as God is supposed to do?

Usually the orthodox folk don't like to tackle such issues, so I will understand if you don't. But what about all you heretics out there?


Well Yoki, we have examples in scripture where God's holiness leads Him to be merciful:

Hosea 11:9

"I will not execute my fierce anger, I will not again destroy E'phraim; for I am God and not man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come to destroy."

Second, the wages of sin is death. Not eternal life in hell...

Also, I would say that because of His holness God may in fact view sin differently than us. It may be much more an affront to His nature...

John from Ebla
October 17th 2005, 08:54 AM
Well Yoki, we have examples in scripture where God's holiness leads Him to be merciful:

Hosea 11:9

"I will not execute my fierce anger, I will not again destroy E'phraim; for I am God and not man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come to destroy."

Second, the wages of sin is death. Not eternal life in hell...

Also, I would say that because of His holness God may in fact view sin differently than us. It may be much more an affront to His nature...

"l will not come to destroy" and E'phraim where the ten tribes scattered.

A very good point- that is why GOD came amongst the Jews in a form of mediator (body of Jesus) if not, what would have happened

Kind Regards
John From Ebla

yoki
October 17th 2005, 09:54 AM
Well Yoki, we have examples in scripture where God's holiness leads Him to be merciful:

Hosea 11:9

"I will not execute my fierce anger, I will not again destroy E'phraim; for I am God and not man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come to destroy."

Second, the wages of sin is death. Not eternal life in hell...

Also, I would say that because of His holness God may in fact view sin differently than us. It may be much more an affront to His nature...

It seems to me that God doesn't mind being affronted by sin for eternity by ensuring that the damned remain conscious to suffer their own torments; not to mention His keeping the damned to exist forever so than they can thus experience torment.

The only ones who gave Jesus an affront were the religious leaders of the time, as He was known as a friend of sinners.

seer
October 17th 2005, 10:05 AM
It seems to me that God doesn't mind being affronted by sin for eternity by ensuring that the damned remain conscious to suffer their own torments; not to mention His keeping the damned to exist forever so than they can thus experience torment.

The only ones who gave Jesus an affront were the religious leaders of the time, as He was known as a friend of sinners.

How can they be an affront to God when they are dead and gone? That is what I said- the wages of sin is death - NOT eternal life in hell...

yoki
October 17th 2005, 10:25 AM
How can they be an affront to God when they are dead and gone? That is what I said- the wages of sin is death - NOT eternal life in hell...

Yeah, but you're unorthodox. I forget about that... sorry. :teeth:

seer
October 17th 2005, 11:33 AM
Yeah, but you're unorthodox. I forget about that... sorry. :teeth:

Maybe they orthodox position is unorthodox... oops...