JESUS gave commands to the APOSTLES

[Joe Gofish]

I see from reading the bible that Our Lord commaned the apostles to preach and teach,BUT I 'm unable to find the verse that Our Lord told the apostle to write a book,Can some one please give me the chapter and verse that Our Lord told them to write a book and why all the aostles did not write a book.
Did Jesus Himself write down any part of the NT.
Maybe You can give me the chapter and verse
If it is not in the bible must we believe it

[Sparko]

I see from reading the bible that Our Lord commaned the apostles to preach and teach,BUT I 'm unable to find the verse that Our Lord told the apostle to write a book,Can some one please give me the chapter and verse that Our Lord told them to write a book and why all the aostles did not write a book.
Did Jesus Himself write down any part of the NT.
Maybe You can give me the chapter and verse
If it is not in the bible must we believe it

So you are trying to use the bible to prove that we shouldn't have a bible? How stupid is that?

[GreatWhiteHype2]

I see from reading the bible that Our Lord commaned the apostles to preach and teach,BUT I 'm unable to find the verse that Our Lord told the apostle to write a book,Can some one please give me the chapter and verse that Our Lord told them to write a book and why all the aostles did not write a book.
Did Jesus Himself write down any part of the NT.
Maybe You can give me the chapter and verse
If it is not in the bible must we believe it

This is a joke, right?

[themuzicman]

Gee, do you suppose writing was a part of that whole "make disciples" thing?

I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't tell them to appoint a pope and create a massive authoritarian structure to rule the church, either.

Michael

[Joe Gofish]

Gee, do you suppose writing was a part of that whole "make disciples" thing?

I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't tell them to appoint a pope and create a massive authoritarian structure to rule the church, either.

Michael
But He did,

Why is Peter the Head Apostle, and thus the first Pope?

Matt. 16:18: "You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my church . . ." Peter is the only apostle to be called "Rock" by Jesus. ("Rock" translated into Aramaic, Jesus' native tongue, is Kepha. "Peter" in Aramaic is Kepha.)

Simon's name was changed to Peter. This is a similar act as God changed Abram's name to Abraham, or Jacob's name to Israel. A change in name meant a change in vocation; Simon was no longer a fisher, Peter is the head disciple of Christ.

Peter's name appears first in every Scriptural listing of the names of the apostles (although he was not the first called).

Peter is mentioned by name more than any other apostle in the New Testament (182 times). Second is John (34 times).

Peter is the only apostle prayed for by Christ that his "own faith may not fail." (Luke 22:31-32) Christ then says "you must strengthen your brothers."

Luke 24:34 and 1 Cor 15:5 show that the first apostle Christ appeared to after His Resurrection was Peter.

These are just a few of many examples of the primacy of Peter.

[themuzicman]

Funny how the church in Jerusalem never picked that up, seeing as James is the leader of the first church.... :doh:

[Joe Gofish]

Funny how the church in Jerusalem never picked that up, seeing as James is the leader of the first church.... :doh:
James was the leader but all have a Bishop,and the bibhop is over all the Churches in his area,and then the pope is over all the Bishops in the world

[themuzicman]

James was the leader but all have a Bishop,and the bibhop is over all the Churches in his area,and then the pope is over all the Bishops in the world
The problem is that the churches of the world were never unified under ANYONE. They were far to busy worrying abuot persecution and heresy to build any kind of overarching structure. There simply is no way that Peter ruled the whole early church before 66AD.

Michael

[Joe Gofish]

So you are trying to use the bible to prove that we shouldn't have a bible? How stupid is that?
Its so stuip that the bible tell us the pillar of truth is the CHURCH (1Tim 3:15)

[themuzicman]

Its so stuip that the bible tell us the pillar of truth is the CHURCH (1Tim 3:15)
Not at all. It's just silly to assume that some man made authoritarian structure that rules over the church is that pillar, rather than the church itself.

[Joe Gofish]

This is a joke, right?
If you read your Bible it said the pillar of truth is the Church.(1Tim 3:15)

[John from Ebla]

If you read your Bible it said the pillar of truth is the Church.(1Tim 3:15)

Yes the house hold of God is not One Person, but all that believe- with Jesus "the Chief Corner stone" 1 Peter 2:6-7. Not Peter or the Pope.

Kind regards
John From Ebla

[Hitch]

I see from reading the bible that Our Lord commaned the apostles to preach and teach,BUT I 'm unable to find the verse that Our Lord told the apostle to write a book,Can some one please give me the chapter and verse that Our Lord told them to write a book and why all the aostles did not write a book.
Did Jesus Himself write down any part of the NT.
Maybe You can give me the chapter and verse
If it is not in the bible must we believe it Its right next to one in which Jesus tells them to breathe

[tiffanyh]

Its right next to one in which Jesus tells them to breathe

:doh:

[Provoker]

I see from reading the bible that Our Lord commaned the apostles to preach and teach,BUT I 'm unable to find the verse that Our Lord told the apostle to write a book,Can some one please give me the chapter and verse that Our Lord told them to write a book and why all the aostles did not write a book.
Did Jesus Himself write down any part of the NT.
Maybe You can give me the chapter and verse
If it is not in the bible must we believe it

Hello Joe:
The answer to your question might be found in discovering what Jesus commissioned his apostles to preach.
Before Jesus' death, he commissioned the apostles to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, but the gospel writers did not explain the gospel, they just recorded that Jesus came with good news of the kingdom.
We have to read the old testament to find out what Jesus could proclaim about the kingdom, which would be good news to true Jews.

[Joe Gofish]

Not at all. It's just silly to assume that some man made authoritarian structure that rules over the church is that pillar, rather than the church itself.
It is the Church with the pope as the head of the Church here on earth.

[themuzicman]

It is the Church with the pope as the head of the Church here on earth.
But the question remains: On what authority did the RCC create a Pope? Peter was never the authority over all the churches, so you can't make that claim.

Michael

[Meh_Gerbil]

The pope is beside the point anyways.

The Bible says that if 'even an angel from heaven' preaches a different gospel that we are to ignore it. Regardless of the legitimacy of the position of 'pope' if he preaches a different gospel he can go to hell for all I care -- I won't have it.

A local priest told my family that my grandfather is in heaven because he attended 9 consecutive first Fridays. That, my friend, is a different gospel and I don't care what large organization on earth stands behind that idiotic claim -- it is wrong.

My aunt believes that Mary is a co-Redemptress based on the teachings of the Catholic Church. That, my friend, is a different gospel and I don't care what large organization on earth stands behind that idiotic claim -- it is wrong.

As long as the pope preaches a different gospel then the legitimacy of the position of pope is secondary to the illegitimacy of the person of the pope. You get a pope in there that is preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and we'll talk.

[Joe Gofish]

The problem is that the churches of the world were never unified under ANYONE. They were far to busy worrying abuot persecution and heresy to build any kind of overarching structure. There simply is no way that Peter ruled the whole early church before 66AD.

Michael
They meet in people houses

[Joe Gofish]

The pope is beside the point anyways.

The Bible says that if 'even an angel from heaven' preaches a different gospel that we are to ignore it. Regardless of the legitimacy of the position of 'pope' if he preaches a different gospel he can go to hell for all I care -- I won't have it.

A local priest told my family that my grandfather is in heaven because he attended 9 consecutive first Fridays. That, my friend, is a different gospel and I don't care what large organization on earth stands behind that idiotic claim -- it is wrong.

My aunt believes that Mary is a co-Redemptress based on the teachings of the Catholic Church. That, my friend, is a different gospel and I don't care what large organization on earth stands behind that idiotic claim -- it is wrong.

As long as the pope preaches a different gospel then the legitimacy of the position of pope is secondary to the illegitimacy of the person of the pope. You get a pope in there that is preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and we'll talk.
It looks like you would have been happy if like the Baptist the priest said he was in Hell

[Joe Gofish]

The problem is that the churches of the world were never unified under ANYONE. They were far to busy worrying abuot persecution and heresy to build any kind of overarching structure. There simply is no way that Peter ruled the whole early church before 66AD.

Michael
I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord; who was conceived of the
Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell; on the third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
From thence he shall come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion

of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting. Amen.

[themuzicman]

I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord; who was conceived of the
Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell; on the third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
From thence he shall come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion

of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting. Amen.
you need to uncapitalize Holy, Catholic and Church, and then it'll be accurate.

[Joe Gofish]

Yes the house hold of God is not One Person, but all that believe- with Jesus "the Chief Corner stone" 1 Peter 2:6-7. Not Peter or the Pope.

Kind regards
John From Ebla
Please remember that will had only ONE CHURCH unto about 1517ad that was christian