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David Ben-Ariel
December 30th 2005, 11:00 PM
If I may, as God is my Witness and Judge, when I was only 17 years young, God unexpectedly gave me a vision while I was in prayer. I was within that vision as a glorified Spirit-Being, whiter than glistening snow and like a brilliant white cloud with the sun shining on it, appearing smooth, dressed in a white robe - even my hair was that brilliant white - holding a Book in my hands and teaching two flesh and blood mortals who were sitting on the ground, in an outdoor setting like a park or meadow.

I was leaning over near them, showing them something from the Book. Mind you that this miracles occurred before I had ever heard of Herbert W. Armstrong and his biblical teaching that we're to become glorified Priest-Kings, teaching in the Kingdom of God, immortals ruling over mortals with but under Christ! (Revelation 2:26, 3:21, 20:6).

The Kingdom of God is the Royal Family of God, administering the government of God, with God's Word as the foundation for every family and standard for all nations (Isaiah 9:7, Daniel 7:18, 27).

At that time I still believed in the traditional "going to heaven or hell" myths, so I didn't really know what to think of the vision. Over a year later, when I attended one of my first Sabbath services with the Worldwide Church of God (1978), the minister was preaching about how we'll be God-Beings teaching human-beings. I about fell out of my chair! It was as if he was describing the very vision God had given little ol' me!

That inspiring sermon was further confirmation to me that this Church of God (with its God-given Sabbath and Holy Days, special recognition of Northwestern Europeans and Anglo-Saxons as the "Lost 10 Tribes," the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, etc.) was indeed God's Church and not like the baptized paganism of traditional Churchianity. (It's sad to say the WCG went astray after Herbert Armstrong's death, but thankfully the faithful Church of God members left that organization to remain true to God and the plain truth of the Bible rather than return to Egypt).

My following minister, George Kackos, whom I later told about the vision, and who baptized me on the Sabbath day, June 9, 1979 (12 years after Jerusalem's liberation), told me that the vision was biblical and that God has also given a "sneak preview" of His Kingdom to Peter, James and John, with their vision of the transfiguration:

Matthew 17:1-9

1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. 7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, "Arise, and do not be afraid." 8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.
9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead."

I dared to declare to Mr. Kackos that my vision was actually greater because God had showed them a glorified, transfigured Christ, Moses and Elijah, but mine was more personalized because God revealed me in His Kingdom!

I am an eyewitness to God's Kingdom and know what it means to be in God's Kingdom, both from the Bible and personal experience! (2 Peter 1:16-18). Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom, but at the First Resurrection we'll be born again as glorified Spirit-Beings - just like our older Brother, Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29, I Corinthians 15:49-52, Philippians 3:21).

The vision appeared to emphasize the big difference between mortals and immortals; the great contrast between flesh and blood and brilliant spirit. And, as I later used during a Worldwide Church of God Spokesman's Club speech on serving (in the Churchill Room at the Hillcrest in Toledo, Ohio), this vision taught that even though we're to be given thrones (which I did not see), those thrones are to enable us to use our positions for greater service, out of love for God and mankind.

God did not show me merely sitting on a throne, but out serving others, teaching, helping, explaining. Mr. Kackos then gave his usual round up speech, on the importance of tempering authority with humility, and said that, amazingly, I had done just that. I had related the vision as a fact, but wasn't boasting about it.

I look forward, by God's grace, to entering His wonderful Kingdom and meeting those two people I saw in 1977! It'll truly be back to the future!

furay
December 30th 2005, 11:05 PM
Shouldn't this be posted in Heresy 201... er... Unorthodox Theology 201?

Straylight
December 31st 2005, 04:00 AM
Shouldn't this be posted in Heresy 201... er... Unorthodox Theology 201?
More like Racist Bigot In For a Reckoning If he Doesn't Shape Up 101

furay
December 31st 2005, 04:05 AM
More like Racist Bigot In For a Reckoning If he Doesn't Shape Up 101
:lol:

gooner
December 31st 2005, 08:51 AM
Moderators!After getting off the floor........ :lol: ...........isnt this just a tad unorthodox

lycaphim
December 31st 2005, 09:45 AM
If I may, as God is my Witness and Judge, when I was only 17 years young, God unexpectedly gave me a vision while I was in prayer. I was within that vision as a glorified Spirit-Being, whiter than glistening snow and like a brilliant white cloud with the sun shining on it, appearing smooth, dressed in a white robe - even my hair was that brilliant white - holding a Book in my hands and teaching two flesh and blood mortals who were sitting on the ground, in an outdoor setting like a park or meadow.

I was leaning over near them, showing them something from the Book. Mind you that this miracles occurred before I had ever heard of Herbert W. Armstrong and his biblical teaching that we're to become glorified Priest-Kings, teaching in the Kingdom of God, immortals ruling over mortals with but under Christ! (Revelation 2:26, 3:21, 20:6).

The Kingdom of God is the Royal Family of God, administering the government of God, with God's Word as the foundation for every family and standard for all nations (Isaiah 9:7, Daniel 7:18, 27).

At that time I still believed in the traditional "going to heaven or hell" myths, so I didn't really know what to think of the vision. Over a year later, when I attended one of my first Sabbath services with the Worldwide Church of God (1978), the minister was preaching about how we'll be God-Beings teaching human-beings. I about fell out of my chair! It was as if he was describing the very vision God had given little ol' me!

That inspiring sermon was further confirmation to me that this Church of God (with its God-given Sabbath and Holy Days, special recognition of Northwestern Europeans and Anglo-Saxons as the "Lost 10 Tribes," the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, etc.) was indeed God's Church and not like the baptized paganism of traditional Churchianity. (It's sad to say the WCG went astray after Herbert Armstrong's death, but thankfully the faithful Church of God members left that organization to remain true to God and the plain truth of the Bible rather than return to Egypt).

My following minister, George Kackos, whom I later told about the vision, and who baptized me on the Sabbath day, June 9, 1979 (12 years after Jerusalem's liberation), told me that the vision was biblical and that God has also given a "sneak preview" of His Kingdom to Peter, James and John, with their vision of the transfiguration:

Matthew 17:1-9

1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. 7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, "Arise, and do not be afraid." 8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.
9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead."

I dared to declare to Mr. Kackos that my vision was actually greater because God had showed them a glorified, transfigured Christ, Moses and Elijah, but mine was more personalized because God revealed me in His Kingdom!

I am an eyewitness to God's Kingdom and know what it means to be in God's Kingdom, both from the Bible and personal experience! (2 Peter 1:16-18). Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom, but at the First Resurrection we'll be born again as glorified Spirit-Beings - just like our older Brother, Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29, I Corinthians 15:49-52, Philippians 3:21).

The vision appeared to emphasize the big difference between mortals and immortals; the great contrast between flesh and blood and brilliant spirit. And, as I later used during a Worldwide Church of God Spokesman's Club speech on serving (in the Churchill Room at the Hillcrest in Toledo, Ohio), this vision taught that even though we're to be given thrones (which I did not see), those thrones are to enable us to use our positions for greater service, out of love for God and mankind.

God did not show me merely sitting on a throne, but out serving others, teaching, helping, explaining. Mr. Kackos then gave his usual round up speech, on the importance of tempering authority with humility, and said that, amazingly, I had done just that. I had related the vision as a fact, but wasn't boasting about it.

I look forward, by God's grace, to entering His wonderful Kingdom and meeting those two people I saw in 1977! It'll truly be back to the future!
Only God knows if this is going to turn out like another MichaelCadry thread...

David Ben-Ariel
January 3rd 2006, 09:46 PM
Shouldn't this be posted in Heresy 201... er... Unorthodox Theology 201?

Only according to those who don't read or believe the Bible but shamefully prefer their idolatrous traditions instead.

Acts 24:14

14However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets

John from Ebla
January 4th 2006, 01:32 AM
Only according to those who don't read or believe the Bible but shamefully prefer their idolatrous traditions instead.

Acts 24:14

14However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets

Well that is what the Jews that don't believer in Jesus call believers in Jesus- "a sect" just like you said.

You are one confused soul. Col 2:18.......insisting on self-abasement worship of angel, taking his stand on visions he claims he has seen, vainly puffed up by his sensuous notion and inflated by his unspiritual thoughts and fleshy conceit.


Kind regards
John From Ebla

David Ben-Ariel
January 10th 2006, 09:29 PM
Go ahead and remain in your spiritual wilderness, bleating you're already born again and yet don't have a clue (having rejected the plain truth of the Bible for your traditions) about where the Kingdom of God will be established and shamefully refusing to believe Jesus who clearly said "The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth." Jesus also taught the unrepentant will be utterly destroyed and become ashes under the soles of our immortal feet. (God isn't the sadist traditional Churchianity makes Him out to be). It's either DIVINITY or dust. Your choice. But may you choose life and forsake your spiritual Babylon of counterfeit Christianity and live - or suffer the seven last plagues.

David Ben-Ariel
January 11th 2006, 12:05 AM
You are one confused soul.

No, I've escaped the confusion of TRADITIONAL Churchianity by the grace of God and the Lord Jesus Christ (the one most professing Christians don't love or obey - I John 2:4). I encourage you to also FORSAKE BABYLON.