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JardinPrayer
July 24th 2003, 09:09 PM
If I'm the first to ever make this comparison, than I am truly a genius. But, since I know I am not a genius, I must conclude that I plucked this out of the collective unconscious. I submit for your approval:

Christianity and The Wizard of Oz - or - Pay No Attention to That Man Behind The Curtain!

Okay, you have a young girl who goes searching for "my heart's desire." She ends up in an unfamiliar, but very colorful (light) world very different from her own (dark). She is accompanied by several guardian angels, most obviously the Good Witch of the North: Glinda. But don't get me off on a tangent about Glinda. I think she's actually a very bad witch, but that's another thread. Her other angels are the scarecrow, tin man, and lion (otherwise known as Hunk, Hickory, and Zeke in their earthly form).

Dorothy is given the ruby slippers (hedge of protection) that is greatly coveted by the wicked witch (enemy, devil), but will never be hers. Dorothy gets into trouble along the way, but her shoes and her Glinda always bring her out.

She gets to the place she's been promised will help her find her way home, where she is beginning to believe her "heart's desire" actually was to begin with (God dwelling within). She finds a great and powerful lord over the Emerald City (The Father), who is made human when you look behind the curtain and find the man who will teach and dispense advice (The Son). The Wizard promises to take Dorothy home and then floats off in his balloon (the ascention) with the stated objective of going to the same "home" Dorothy wants to return to (being in agreement with God).

Dorothy's guardian angel reappears to tell her she can go home because of her shoes (she now realizes she is empowered after her encounter with God - manifestation of the Holy Spirit) and she returns home to tell her family (and earthly angels) that she has learned where her heart's desire is - at home (goes forth and makes disciples of others).

Has anyone heard this particular analagy before? Does anyone have comments? I'm intending for this thread to be relatively light-hearted, but I'm interested in anything you have to offer.

Peace,
J:pray:

Sher
July 24th 2003, 11:17 PM
no ... and I think it is false ... the Wizard was a chimera ... not a real guiding force

I'm sorry ... it smacks more of a new age philosophy than anything resembling Christianity

Sher

JardinPrayer
July 25th 2003, 08:15 AM
Gee...that was a more serious response than I was trolling for, Sher! I'm certainly not suggesting there's any real spiritual wisdom in The Wizard of Oz...just noticing that the story has enough familiar symbols that it may have been in the author's mind when he wrote the story.

The Wizard may have been a chimera, but it turns out he was one and the same with the human behind the curtain. When God has appeared visually in the bible, He has taken the form of chimeras of a kind - burning bushes, transfigurations, etc.

I do sincerely apologize if I offended you with this lighthearted thread. Does it, perhaps, belong in another forum so its non-debate intent is more clear?

Peace,
J:pray:

Sher
July 25th 2003, 08:18 AM
Naw Jardin ... I'm on a broom lately because of stuff IRL ... forgive me, please? I didn't take it lighthearted enough ...

Sher

Rusty T
July 25th 2003, 08:19 AM
Well, considering the Wizard of Oz was a political allegory . . . I'd say no to the whold religious theme.

tizzi

JardinPrayer
July 25th 2003, 08:29 AM
Sher...no forgiveness required...rather I was seeking it from you! I love you, sister!

Tizzi...tell us more about the politial allegory for the record here in this thread. I'm aware of what you're referring to, but would you mind representing that position here?

Many thanks,
J:pray:

FirstSunday33ad
July 25th 2003, 01:18 PM
I have heard a similar analogy only used by atheists. The "wizard" - God - we are all afraid of - cowering, begging for help - is nothing but a powerless old man - Pope, priest, Arch-bishop - pulling levers and shouting alot.

In the end Dorothy realizes it was all just a dream - in her own mind - and wakes up in reality realizing that the things the matter are the things in this world and not the other - which doesn't exist.

The accusation I heard then was that Christians are afraid to pull back the curtain - ignorance - because they don't want to reveal the old man - the truth.

Interesting to read it spun the other way.

JardinPrayer
July 25th 2003, 01:31 PM
Interesting, indeed! Looks like we have a thread here, after all! Anyone else?

Jin-Roh
July 25th 2003, 10:59 PM
I'd have to watch the Wizard of Oz again. Last time I watched I was playing Dark Side of the Moon along with it.


(lush guitar chord during opening title)
"Breathe, breathe in the air....
Don't be afraid to care...

C. D. Ward
July 25th 2003, 11:34 PM
Today @ 08:19 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=157882#post157882)
tizzidale:

Well, considering the Wizard of Oz was a political allegory . . . I'd say no to the whold religious theme.

Alas, no. The idea that WoO was a political allegory began with an article published in American Quarterly in 1964 which "explained" Baum's Oz in terms of the American Populist movement. Unfortunately, Baum's intentions weren't to create such an allegory, but rather to write an entirely new type of childrens' book, one that had the characteristics of a fairy tale, but of a particularly "American" flavor.

Read about it here (http://www.halcyon.com/piglet/Populism.htm)

C. D. Ward

Piebald
July 26th 2003, 12:23 AM
Oh man, Jardin, me and a friend formulated this bizarre thing pointing to countless paralells between Christianity and Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (the movie). I'll have to post it sometime (mostly for giggles).

/ot everytime I see your post I say "Who rang that bell!?" in a somewhat high crotchetty voice.

Sher
July 26th 2003, 05:52 AM
Yesterday @ 10:59 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=158485#post158485)
Jin-Roh:

I'd have to watch the Wizard of Oz again. Last time I watched I was playing Dark Side of the Moon along with it.


(lush guitar chord during opening title)
"Breathe, breathe in the air....
Don't be afraid to care...

Daaaang ... high school flashback ... That was a freaky thing, wasn't it?

/me wonders what those guys were smokin' ... and why she thought this was okay music at one time

And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
and if there is no room upon the hill
and if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon

/me shakes head

Rusty T
July 26th 2003, 11:36 AM
Wow, i was taught this in high school. More underscoring of why I need to homeschool my children. . . hopefully after I learn the truth of things. . . :)

JardinPrayer
July 26th 2003, 07:34 PM
Hamster:

Oh man, Jardin, me and a friend formulated this bizarre thing pointing to countless paralells between Christianity and Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (the movie). I'll have to post it sometime (mostly for giggles).

/ot everytime I see your post I say "Who rang that bell!?" in a somewhat high crotchetty voice.

Willie Wonka...another film that is indellibly etched into my subconscious mind! Guess I've always been a seeker! I'd love to know about those parallels, Hamster!

/ot I will imagine you doing that every time I see the thread bump to the top of the "get new!" Whether or not I will one day thank you for that is another story!

tizzidale:

Wow, i was taught this in high school. More underscoring of why I need to homeschool my children. . . hopefully after I learn the truth of things. . . :)

You were taught that WoO is an allegory for Christianity? Are you bleeping kidding me?