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kerryliz
March 6th 2007, 08:42 PM
According to Bronowski in "The Ascent of Man", Islam and ancient Greek culture share a common interest in what is static and unchanging. Their idea of motion is that it is circular at a constant speed.
This is different to Isaac Newton'(?)s conceptualisation of motion as inertial, so that circular motion is made up of lots of tangents under acceleration. If you let go of a ball swinging around your head, it will go off in a straight line.
In the English dictionary, "sense" is the direction of a vector.
About the Islam/Christian cultural divide, Western thought derives a lot from ancient Greek thought. The ancient Greeks believed in the music of the spheres and modern jargon talks about juggling all the balls in your life and success is deemed to be doing a good job of that. Jesus said: "Keep your eye simple and your whole body will be bright."

This impacts on fundamental viewpoints about the world. The ancient Greeks believed that light comes out of your eyes, the planets revolve around the earth and that the sun was a chariot. De'Dondi's clock, in the Smithsonian Institute, demonstrates the fact that you can mathematically configure the orbits of the planets as a geocentric model. However, it is a model and not our current idea of what the solar system actually does. (Whether they realised this at the time is another question. What was the relationship between religion and science?)

I don't believe in the general theory of relativity either. I think it's another model. There's no electromagnetism in it. It's a dark universe, a what-if universe. It's Genesis 1:1,2.

Latitude and longitude do not correlate with any particular divisions of the earth's magnetic field. They are simply a way for everybody to communicate about the same thing.

As for all the cycles in the ecosystem, it all looks suspiciously mechanistic, scary (Richard Branson's reward?), and contrary to the idea that God can influence the spiritual nature of human beings, which I believe, alters our use of the world in such important if subtle ways, that there is hope yet!

Ciao!

Kerry

shunyadragon
March 14th 2007, 10:53 AM
According to Bronowski in "The Ascent of Man", Islam and ancient Greek culture share a common interest in what is static and unchanging. Their idea of motion is that it is circular at a constant speed.
This is different to Isaac Newton'(?)s conceptualisation of motion as inertial, so that circular motion is made up of lots of tangents under acceleration. If you let go of a ball swinging around your head, it will go off in a straight line.
In the English dictionary, "sense" is the direction of a vector.
About the Islam/Christian cultural divide, Western thought derives a lot from ancient Greek thought. The ancient Greeks believed in the music of the spheres and modern jargon talks about juggling all the balls in your life and success is deemed to be doing a good job of that. Jesus said: "Keep your eye simple and your whole body will be bright."

This impacts on fundamental viewpoints about the world. The ancient Greeks believed that light comes out of your eyes, the planets revolve around the earth and that the sun was a chariot. De'Dondi's clock, in the Smithsonian Institute, demonstrates the fact that you can mathematically configure the orbits of the planets as a geocentric model. However, it is a model and not our current idea of what the solar system actually does. (Whether they realised this at the time is another question. What was the relationship between religion and science?)

I don't believe in the general theory of relativity either. I think it's another model. There's no electromagnetism in it. It's a dark universe, a what-if universe. It's Genesis 1:1,2.

Latitude and longitude do not correlate with any particular divisions of the earth's magnetic field. They are simply a way for everybody to communicate about the same thing.

As for all the cycles in the ecosystem, it all looks suspiciously mechanistic, scary (Richard Branson's reward?), and contrary to the idea that God can influence the spiritual nature of human beings, which I believe, alters our use of the world in such important if subtle ways, that there is hope yet!

Ciao!

Kerry

ALL the Abrahmic religions to some extent believe in a static and unchanging with geocentric view of the universe. This was likely inherited from the Greeks in combination with ancient Jewish texts. Newton's models presented a more advanced model, but still limited to mid-scale of the physical nature of existence, but this system was found to be indaquate for the microscale of nuclear physics and the macro scale of the nature of the universe.


The theory of relativity is not something you 'believe in', phisicists do not 'believe in' the theory of relativity. It is a mathamatical model that functioned well to account for many aspects, variables, and relationships of the physical nature of existence, and scientists realize the limits of the application of relativity. It was a significant and revolutionary spring board, opening the way for the advancement of modern physics and cosmology. The theory of relativity was first expressed in the revelation of Baha'u'llah in the mid 1800s as the relationship between mass and energy, and it works very well.

"If you split an atom you will release a sun"

The Seven Valleys and Four Valleys by Baha'u'llah

and the result of e=mc2 is . . . . . BOOM!

Latitude and longitude were simply developed as navigation aids, a geographic location system, a basis for world time management. They were never intended to correlate with the magnetic fields of the earth. The eystem is based closely on the physical poles of the rotation of the earth.

kerryliz
March 19th 2007, 02:03 AM
This I know. I am simply commenting on the difference between a model with which to understand and communicate (scientific jargon) and I'm really too sure what I'm comparing it to actually.

I don't think that the Abrahamic religions emphasised a geocentric world view. I think such a view has arisen, not out of science, but out of humankind's perpetual obsession with keeping 'what works'. This leads to OCDs and cults.

Some typical features of OCDs and their relationship to science/superstition.
* germs or dirt
* illness or injury (involving the person or someone else)
* coming across unlucky numbers or words
* things being even or straight
* things being perfect or just right in a certain way
* making mistakes or not being sure
* doing or thinking something bad
One necessarily develops a point of view centred on the location that these things seem to occur simply as a matter of time constraints. Therefore, the significance of Abraham being a wanderer in tents, not correlating his movements to the time-keeping mechanisms of any society in particular.