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Pilgrm&Stranger
April 24th 2007, 10:59 PM
'jesus', The Mark of pagan 'christianity'!

Truth is, the name 'jesus' was first imagined about 500 years, or so, ago!

Truth is, The Messiah's GOD given birth name was the same as "Joshua(Yahshua)" of the Old Testimonies. Truth is, there was no letter 'j' or 'j' sound in the english language until approx 500 years ago.

Truth is, that the name 'jesus' was not spoken for some 1500 years, or so, after The Messiah, "ascended to His GOD and Father".

There is only One Messiah. And no apostle, no believer, no one mentioned in what this world calls it's 'bible' ever called The Messiah by the "imag"ined pagan name of 'jesus'.

And "The Messiah's GOD is The GOD of His Brethren and The Messiah's Father is The Father of His Brethren."

The Messiah ascended to His GOD, The Only True GOD, and The Messiah was the "first-born of many Brethren"!

The Messiah was "the beginning of The Creation of The Only True GOD".

And "The ONLY TRUE GOD"? HE Has No 'god', HE Is The Only True GOD and HE Is, was and always will be The GOD and Father of The Messiah!

Truth also testifies that the name 'jesus' was "imag"ined just prior to what 'the god of this world' and his 'christianity' declared to be the 'reformation'.

The 'reformation' was a time when millions of believers were martyred, and the time in which pagan "catholicism" and her 'christian' daughters began their assault against The Truth in the name of their 'god' 'jesus'. Indeed 'catholicism' was re-formed, in the sense of being restructured or made to appear differently. The various 're-formed' systems of religion that called themselves "christian" were, and are, her offspring! And they all bear 'the mark' of their pagan 'god' 'jesus'! They are all harlots fornicating with 'the god of this world', he who is "the father of lies", "d"evil!

The Messiah testified: "I ascend to My GOD and your GOD, to My Father and your Father"!
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Truth Testifies: "The Messiah ascended to His GOD and Father!"

christianities lie: 'jesus' is 'god' or 1/3 of' a 'god' or an angel or ??
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Truth Testifies: "Love your enemies! Turn the other cheek!"

christianities lie: 'fight and war of the flesh! kill the 'brother' not on your side'
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Truth Testifies: "This world is evil! Come Out and Be Separate!"

christianities lie: 'we can change this world and make it 'good''
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Truth Testifies: "The WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one!"

christianities lie: 'there are righteous countries, the usa and a few others'
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Truth Testifies: "Pagans observe days, months and years!"

christianities lie: 'christmas, easter, halloween, good friday,,,,,,'

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Truth Testifies: "Serve The Only True GOD and HIM Only!"

christianities lie: 'serve family, country and your self''
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Truth Testifies: GOD asks,"What building will you build unto ME?"

christianities lie: 'various buildings dedicated to their 'god''
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Truth Testifies: "As The Messiah suffered so will His Brethren!"

christianities lie: 'eat, drink and be merry, especially x-mass season'
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Truth Testifies: "No man has seen The ONLY TRUE GOD!"

christianities lie: 'a great number saw their "imag"ined 'god' 'jesus''
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Truth Testifies: "GOD Is A Spirit, HE has not flesh and bones!"

christianities lie: 'their 'imag'ined 'god' 'jesus' had flesh and bones'
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Truth Testifies: "When you pray, pray in private!"

christianities lie: 'pray aloud so that others might hear you'
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Truth Testifies: "Swear not, Let your yes, be yes, your no, no!"

christianities lie: 'put your hand on their 'bible' and swear to their 'god''
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(the 12 lies listed are but a portion of "the doctrines and commandments of men and devil's" that is the foundation of pagan 'christianity')

The Messiah, testified: "That they might know YOU, The ONLY TRUE GOD, And The Messiah, Whom YOU have sent"!

The Messiah, testified: "Love Your Enemies", "turn the other cheek"!

And the 'religions' that are of this wicked, evil world, do they take heed unto this commandment given of The Only True GOD through HIS Son?

"catholicism", "christianity", "judaism", "islam", "buddhist", "hindu",,etc,,

Religious systems of this world, all alike they are,
They have fought, died and killed both near and far,

And then once a week, or multiples times a day, they pray,
Yet as hypocrites they begin each new day.

A day filled with deceit and lies,
For in a religious system, Truth can not abide.

And so the fruit of death is born of their religious ways,
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!

Multitudes are held captive by the "strong delusion" that is "the commandments and doctrines of men and devils"! Multitudes are held captive by the "strong delusion" that is the religious systems that are of this world. Religious systems carry on a fornicative relationship with "the god of this world", he who is "the father of lies", "d"evil.

And The Only True GOD has given HIS Call and exhorts HIS Children to: "Come out of her, MY people......."

And HIS Children will 'come out' of this wicked, evil world, for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one". And HIS Children will 'come out' of this world's seductive systems of religion, one of which is the pagan harlot that calls herself 'christianity' and named one head of her three headed pagan 'god' 'jesus' some five hundred years ago, which was some fifteen hundred years after "The Messiah ascended to His GOD and Father".

And The Messiah's GOD and Father is "The One GOD, Father of ALL".

And The Messiah was the "firstborn of many brethren", and He testified "the words that I speak are not My words, they are the words of The Father WHO sent Me",

The Messiah testified: "I do the works of My Father, HE WHO sent Me".

The Messiah testified: "I can do nothing of mine own self"......

And The Only True GOD, "HE is The GOD", and "The HEAD, of The Messiah".

HE has no 'god' for HE Is The Only True GOD.

And The Messiah's brethren? They do not follow the worldy religious ways, they follow The Messiah on "The Way to The Truth of The Life".

The Messiah's brethren follow their Master, "their Head", they follow The Messiah, desering to be liken unto Him, and come "that day" they will be like Him. Thanks be to The Only True GOD.

The Messiah's brethren have "set their affections on things above" where their Master and Brother is. They have set their affections on heavenly 'things', 'things' that are eternal, for they desire to serve The Only True GOD just like their Brother, The Messiah did, for The Messiah was "a servant of The Only True GOD".

The Messiah's brethren have quit serving 'time' in the prison that is this world and it's religous systems. The Messiah's brethren have "come out" of the systems of religion that are all built upon the sands of delusion and grounded in the heretical lies that are but "the commandments and doctrines of men and "d"evil".

The Messiah's brethren have 'come out' from among the 'kid's', they have 'come out' from among those 'goats' who will cry, "Master, Master, did we not do this and that in your name ..?" those 'goats' to whom The Messiah will declare, "I never knew you, depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity......." ;-(

Yet while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

For Miracles do happen!

Hope is there will be those who experience The Miracle that is "receiving a love of The Truth" for they will follow The Messiah on "The Way to The Truth of The Life" and they will have:

Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world....... francisco
Shadow Phoenix
April 24th 2007, 11:16 PM
Sigh. Another one of these....

We have several Trinity threads here in unorthodox theology with people challenging this great truth which I see you don't understand. Feel free to post in them.

By the way, the English you're using here wasn't seen as such until recent times. Why do you use it? Isn't it pagan?
Pilgrm&Stranger
April 25th 2007, 12:01 AM
sad for you ;-( obvious you are of the "love this world, and their own life in it" braindirtyed masses of pagans who believe "christianity" is "The Way to The Truth of The Life", when in fact "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of" because of the pagan harlot that calls herself
"christian ;-((((((

yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope.......

for Miracles do happen!

hope is there will be those who experience The Miracle that is "receiving a love of The Truth" for they will flee "christianity" and follow The Messiah on "The Way to The Truth of The Life".......

all who do so will have peace, in spite of the dis-ease(perverseness) that is of this wicked, evil world, and in spite of "the world hating them, even as it hated The Messiah" ....... francisco
Shadow Phoenix
April 25th 2007, 12:03 AM
Talk is cheap. I have the thread on More Trinity Musings here. Feel free to post. There hasn't been any success so far in giving me a reason to leave the Trinity.
Pilgrm&Stranger
April 25th 2007, 10:30 AM
sadly, you don't realize that The Testimonies themselves are to you but "talk" ;-(

for apart from Spiritual enlightenment the words in The Testimonies remain but colored marks written on a dead tree.......period....... and so the "mind of man", better stated as "mankind's "imag"ination", has created systems of religions that have their part in the destruction of Creation(earth, air, water, creatures, Truth, Love, Peace,,etc,,) ;-(

and soon, and very soon, "The Creator will destroy those who are destroying HIS Creation(earth, air, water, creatures, Truth, Love, Peace,,etc,,)" Rev 11:18.......

as for the "imag"ined "trinity"? there is more than sufficient Testimony to refute such theo'ry'logy if one has "eyes to see and ears to hear"....... however, unless one has experience The Miracle that is "receiving a love of The Truth" they have "eyes but see not, and they have ears but hear not" ;-(

The Messiah testified, after "Our Father" raised Him from among the dead, "touch Me and see for a Spirit has not flesh and bones as you see I have"....... and previously The Messiah bore witness to The Truth that speaks, "GOD is a Spirit, and those who would worship HIM must worship HIM in Spirit and Truth",,,,,,,

those who have "received a love of The Truth" have embraced simplicity, for they have become as little children who realize how "poor and in need" of their Heavenly Father they are....... and so, as The Messiah did,, they desire above all else "Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done", and as The Messiah they but seek to serve The Only True GOD as they follow "The Way to The Truth of The Life".......

and while there is breath(spirit) there is hope.......

for Miracles do happen!

hope is there will be those who experience The Miracle that is "receiving a love of TheTrurh" for they will seek to cast aside all "vain "imag"inations", such as the "imag"ined "trinity" theo"ry"logy.

and they will have peace, in spite of the dis-ease(doctrine) that is of this wicked world and it's systems of religious theo'ry'logy, for they simply "see" that "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one"....... francisco
Shadow Phoenix
April 25th 2007, 10:34 AM
The come to the thread in this forum on More Trinity Musings and post your arguments against the Trinity. I haven't seen one yet. I've seen a lot of objections but nothing that's held water. Come on. I'll be waiting.
Pilgrm&Stranger
April 25th 2007, 04:35 PM
"nothing that's held water"?

water is not needful, Spirit is!

the various forms of "water baptism" are one of the major heresy's of pagan "christianity.......

The Messiah, He will immerse His disciples in Fire and Spirit, indeed and Truth.......

why don't you answer The Truth as already presented?

"The Messiah testified, after "His Father and Our Father" raised Him from among the dead, "touch Me and see for a Spirit has not flesh and bones as you see I have"....... and thereafter The Messiah was taken up bodily, just as Enoch and Elijah before Him.

prior to the time of His bodily ascension The Messiah bore witness to The Truth that yet speaks, "GOD IS a Spirit, and those who would worship HIM must worship HIM in Spirit and Truth"......." The Messiah then testified "a Spirit has not flesh and bones as you see I have".......

and while there is breath(spirit) there is hope, no matter the "strong delusion" that calls itself "christianity", or any other religious system that is of this wicked world.......

for Miracles do happen!

hope is there will be those who experience The Miracle that is "receiving a love of The Truth" for they will "see" The Messiah, their Brother and Master as He was, is and always will be.......

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(theo'ry'logy) that is of this wicked, evil world....... francisco
Heartablaze
April 25th 2007, 08:10 PM
Firstly, whether or not Jesus is our Lord's name is irrelevant. He is known by many names in different languages. Should we all call him Immanuel then? Or Yeshua? Either would be fine by me and many other followers of the Messiah, I am sure, but is the interpretation of the name something to blast so much? Perhaps I was wrong, but I was under the impression that Jesus is the Greek version of the Hebrew name. He is "God with us" and it is true that he is the manifestation of the truth that "God saves." Maybe we should instead call the Son of God by the English interpretation of his name.

I am intrigued by your religion. Are you calling yourself Immanuel or stating that you follow Him?
Pilgrm&Stranger
April 25th 2007, 09:41 PM
"jesus" was a name given some 500 years ago to one head of the three headed pagan "god" of "catholic/christian" lore ;-( if you wish to call The Messiah by His physical birth name in the modern english language then at least use the proper name of Joshua....... any other name, but genders the confusion, delusion, and deception that prevails within the catholic and christian whorish systems of religion ;-((( they but fornicate with the "god of this world" ;-(

when The Messiah, Yahshua or Yeshua, was immersed in The Great Spirit, He then became the promised Immanuel, for The Great Spirit was in The Messiah indeed and Truth!

yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

for Miracle do happen!

and Miracles gender Faith.......

and Faith will not create a "religion", for those of Faith leave the Creating to their Creator.......

and they have peace, in spite of the dis-ease(religion) that is of this wicked world....... francisco
mastralvarado
April 25th 2007, 11:02 PM
"jesus" was a name given some 500 years ago to one head of the three headed pagan "god" of "catholic/christian" lore ;-( if you wish to call The Messiah by His physical birth name in the modern english language then at least use the proper name of Joshua....... any other name, but genders the confusion, delusion, and deception that prevails within the catholic and christian whorish systems of religion ;-((( they but fornicate with the "god of this world" ;-(

Look, do you really believe that prophecy of the "Great Whore"? I'd say "some" good has come out of Catholicism. Can the prophecy be applied to the Catholic Church before the Great Flood? No. Therefore it doesn't apply to the Church. Get a grip.

when The Messiah, Yahshua or Yeshua, was immersed in The Great Spirit, He then became the promised Immanuel, for The Great Spirit was in The Messiah indeed and Truth!

yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

for Miracle do happen!

and Miracles gender Faith.......

and Faith will not create a "religion", for those of Faith leave the Creating to their Creator.......

and they have peace, in spite of the dis-ease(religion) that is of this wicked world.......
francisco

Hello and peace be to you friend,
Look, what would make you see that religion is necessary. :wink: Do you know why your parents told you when you were small and naked "Put your clothes on!" Do you think it is a habit inherited from a monkey? Therefore, get a clue before posting some dog puke post that goes nowhere.

I do agree that Religion as a political tool (a double-edged sword) is not very pleasing.

Read the Book of Enoch at www.sacred-texts.com (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm) in order to get an idea of what happened to the people of the previous judgement.:wink:
Also, note that there are several versions of the Book of Enoch (in Ethiopian and in Greek).

Take care now and good day.

me
Thinking Madly
April 25th 2007, 11:15 PM
In Japan, some Japanese Christians refer to the Christian god as "Kami-sama." Are they, then, transgressing simply because they have called God who He is in a different language? I find it hard to believe.

I pick up from your posts that you seem to be a purist on the issue of the name of Jesus Christ, but I really think that that shouldn't be so big of an issue. Jesus died for our sins, and instead of appreciating the sacrifice, humans quibble over trivialities--his race, his name, etcetera. Inquisitivity is good, but when something relatively insignificant is taken to the level of heated argument, it becomes a big problem. Our focus is taken off the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Pilgrm&Stranger
April 25th 2007, 11:24 PM
any system or person who has a relationship with the "god of this world" is a fornicator and therefore a "whore". you alone mentioned the "great whore".......

sad for you ;-(

simply, "religion" kills, and Faith saves.......period.......

for The Kingdom GOD In Heaven" IS!

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(lies) that are of this world and it's systems of religion....... francisco
Shadow Phoenix
April 25th 2007, 11:30 PM
I see P&S has refused to come to the thread I've told him about in Unorthodox Theology called "More Trinity Musings."

I see no need to continue discussing with someone I only see as a coward.

When you get the guts, that thread is waiting.
Pilgrm&Stranger
April 25th 2007, 11:32 PM
why mention the japanese version of The Messiah's birth name?

simply, if you would like to use the modern english version of The Messiah's birth name then that would be Joshua.......period....... yet He is Immnauel The Messiah, in Him "The Only True GOD" is yet with us! for HE is The GOD of The Living indeed and Truth.......

sadly, there are multitudes of dead men yet walking ;-(

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(lies) that are of this world and it's systems of religion....... francisco