the image

[johannes]

please give your comments; what do you understand about this verse; Gen. 1:27; so God created man in his omn image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. johan.

[John Powell]

please give your comments; what do you understand about this verse; Gen. 1:27; so God created man in his omn image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. johan.

POWELL:
Looks like. The image of the car looks like the car. A photograph is a record of an image.

The implication is that the writer believed that God looks like a man rather than like some (other) animal (as many competitor religions believed) or looks like smoke or nothing. If the writer meant that man had some of the intellectual and moral features of God that (other) animals lack then he should have used different language.

John Powell

[Jnthn]

There's a small problem with your assertion, John. A logical extension of what you are saying is that man looks like God, but since the visual representation of God is unknown, you have been forced to invert the process of original to derivative. Your point collapses even before we look at the underlying language.

J

[johannes]

POWELL:
Looks like. The image of the car looks like the car. A photograph is a record of an image.

The implication is that the writer believed that God looks like a man rather than like some (other) animal (as many competitor religions believed) or looks like smoke or nothing. If the writer meant that man had some of the intellectual and moral features of God that (other) animals lack then he should have used different language.

John Powell

any intelligent reply or comments???

[johannes]

There's a small problem with your assertion, John. A logical extension of what you are saying is that man looks like God, but since the visual representation of God is unknown, you have been forced to invert the process of original to derivative. Your point collapses even before we look at the underlying language.

J

well i thought you to be a chhristian, dont you beleive the bible for you now say there is a "small problem " with what the bible says, for this is coming straight from the book you beleive in. i didnt make any assertions YET. it seems if you have now been forced to invert the process of original script to derivation. your point collapses even before we look at your underlying words.

[Jnthn]

well i thought you to be a chhristian, dont you beleive the bible for you now say there is a "small problem " with what the bible says, for this is coming straight from the book you beleive in. i didnt make any assertions YET. it seems if you have now been forced to invert the process of original script to derivation. your point collapses even before we look at your underlying words.I was responding to JOHN POWELL. If I was addressing you, I would have said JOHANNES.

J

[johannes]

I was responding to JOHN POWELL. If I was addressing you, I would have said JOHANNES.

J

sorry for this bo-bo, not verry intelligent of me!!!! bless you a thousand.

[John Powell]

There's a small problem with your assertion, John. A logical extension of what you are saying is that man looks like God, but since the visual representation of God is unknown, you have been forced to invert the process of original to derivative. Your point collapses even before we look at the underlying language.

J

POWELL:
Yes, the implication is that the writer believed that man looks like the gods (elohim is plural for god). AFAICT, the writer was giving what he believed to be the visual representation of the gods. He imagined the gods looked like men rather than like dogs or clouds or nothing.

John Powell

[johannes]

POWELL:
Yes, the implication is that the writer believed that man looks like the gods (elohim is plural for god). AFAICT, the writer was giving what he believed to be the visual representation of the gods. He imagined the gods looked like men rather than like dogs or clouds or nothing.

John Powell

what does god look like to you?? worse or better than you? more Nothing like humans?

[John Powell]

what does god look like to you?? worse or better than you? more Nothing like humans?

POWELL:
I'm an atheist. I acknowledge that any God I imagine is imaginary.

When I was a believing Mormon then I imagined God looked something like the Mormon paintings, caucasian, with a glow that mortals don't have.

There are a few artist conceptions available.

http://www.josephsmith.net/portal/site/JosephSmith/menuitem.7d460807102387d8c15b9d46f1e543a0/?vgnextoid=bc5fd2efbece4010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&exhibit=e20808961ece401008961ece401059340c0a____

John Powell

[johannes]

POWELL:
I'm an atheist. I acknowledge that any God I imagine is imaginary.

When I was a believing Mormon then I imagined God looked something like the Mormon paintings, caucasian, with a glow that mortals don't have.

There are a few artist conceptions available.

http://www.josephsmith.net/portal/site/JosephSmith/menuitem.7d460807102387d8c15b9d46f1e543a0/?vgnextoid=bc5fd2efbece4010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&exhibit=e20808961ece401008961ece401059340c0a____

John Powell

absolutely; completely imagination the way we look at it. god has two "sides" a visible and an invisible side. Jesus explained that to us for he was the complete image of God.

[johannes]

the bible is a spiritual book written to guide us all the way from being sense- like animals to the spirit of imagination the second most powerfull power in the universe.
the ten commandments was to create our senses and when the senses were created we needed something new to create the human to a next level of intelligence. for this reason Jesus came and the ten commandments faded away. jesus is a God of our imagination, yes he exists for you but only in our imagination because we never saw him, we only imagine him. by way of imagination we became very creative; we imagined to go to the moon for instance and we did it, there are many more....
when we get more intelligent we read/experiance the bible in a different way, the paint starts to vanish from the mirror we are looking into and we now see things like they are, no more imagination but the real truth.
for instance; what is the Lords supper? what is the bertayal of Judas?
the betrayal cant just be that Judas took a sob/peice of bread from Jesus, because how can that be a betrayal? judas had the seat of honour at the table of God. none of us asks the question; now how can it be that Judas has the seat of honour but he is called a traitor??? the betrayal happened while Jesus served the Lords Supper and Judas was the "fool" to take the Lords Supper and that made him a traytor?? yes it did. the moment he took this sob the Satan entered into him according to the bible.
in any case the meaning of the word "sob" is to take or to give a bribe, so it realy says; Jesus gave Judas a bribe and Judas took the bribe and because of that he became the traytor.
but we all take the Lords supper and therefore we all are the traytor. i cant explain everything here now.
look at the tree of knowledge of good and evil; this is in fact a symbol of the Lords supper.for thousands of years we were told DONT EAT THE FRUIT of this tree, it is sin. but this is exactly what Judas did, he took the fruit of this tree. what is this tree in the midst of the garden of Eden. the tree is your eyes and the garden is your face and your eyes is exactly in the midst of your face/garden and we all eat this fruit of knowledge, logically all knowledge goes in through the eye. we look at the words of god where he says; you will certainly die if you eat this fruit; all this says is; while you eat this fruit you wil die because all mortals eat this fruit so they can become intelligent and then they can become immortal once they are intelligent enough, this is pure logic.
we have preached the sin and the awfull thing that the so-calle Adam and Eve did to eat from the tree of knowledge. what crap!!! but we had to believe it while we couldnt see through the mirror. what happened after they ate this so-called fruit of sin; Gen.3:4-14.
the serpent said; your eyes will open and it did, verse 7. the women saw; the fruit was GOOD for food, PLESANT to the eye, a tree to be desired to make you WISE, and the moment they ate the fruit their EYES OPENED. the next thing that happened was; they KNEW, they recieved knowledge as the name of the tree symbolize. the next thing was; they HEARD the voice of God; the next thing; they became ASHAMED/FEAR, they recieved emotions; the next thing; they SPOKE to God;
NOW FOR CHRIST SAKE; IS THIS BAD??????????
this is what happens now; we start to look through a new eye, a new eye is opening for us, but does the people want to hear this truth????????
the so-called Holy Ghost is the sixth eye, the sixth spirit of imagination or the literal eye; everybody have this spirit and not just the so-called church who roams in this. the Holy Ghost is not the spirit of truth, as you will now understand (if you do understand what i explain here) but the seventh spirit or eye is the spirit of truth, the one where you can look right through the mirror. at this moment everybody on this planit have the sixth spirit the spirit of the Holy Ghost, called imagination.
but now imagination has reached its top floor and we need something new to develope the human to the next stage which is immortality. but first you will have to understand the image of God.
the image of God is;
male and female; invisible and visible; spirit and flesh; untouchable and touchable; light and darkness;
father and mother; heaven and earth; imortal and mortal etc.
IT IS ONE COIN WITH TWO SIDES, ONE BODY WITH TWO APPEARANCES.

[johannes]

do you believe it is bad to eat from the tree of good and evil?

[Frogwarrior]

The best thing I've read on the subject (image of God) pointed to other times, both in the Scripture and in other ancient cultures such as references in Egypt, where this notion of "image" was used to convey a sense of authority. Man being made "in the image of God" means that man was made to take part of some of God's authority over creation.

[johannes]

The best thing I've read on the subject (image of God) pointed to other times, both in the Scripture and in other ancient cultures such as references in Egypt, where this notion of "image" was used to convey a sense of authority. Man being made "in the image of God" means that man was made to take part of some of God's authority over creation.

yes? and who is the female? this verse say god = male and female. what you say indeed comes from culture.

[Minnesota]

do you believe it is bad to eat from the tree of good and evil?
You put this in the present tense. Is the tree still around?

[johannes]

You put this in the present tense. Is the tree still around?

the tree is a tree of knowledge, which represents your eyes for all knowledge enters through the eyes, therefore if you have eyes and as long as we have eyes the tree is there and we eat the fruit of the tree each moment.
the fruit of your eyes could be good or evil.

[Minnesota]

the tree is a tree of knowledge, which represents your eyes for all knowledge enters through the eyes, therefore if you have eyes and as long as we have eyes the tree is there and we eat the fruit of the tree each moment.
the fruit of your eyes could be good or evil.

Excuse me, but I was always given to believe that the Tree was the tree of knowledge of good and evil, not all knowledge. After all, if the tree (one's eyes?) was the portal of all knowledge, then if A&E had never eaten from it they and all their ancestors--you and I included--would be dumb as tree stumps. Think that's what god had initially intended; give us brains but keep them in neutral? Moreover, how about all the knowledge that enters through our ears? And don't forget our noses and our sense of touch.

[johannes]

Excuse me, but I was always given to believe that the Tree was the tree of knowledge of good and evil, not all knowledge. After all, if the tree (one's eyes?) was the portal of all knowledge, then if A&E had never eaten from it they and all their ancestors--you and I included--would be dumb as tree stumps. Think that's what god had initially intended; give us brains but keep them in neutral? Moreover, how about all the knowledge that enters through our ears? And don't forget our noses and our sense of touch.

yes a tree of knowledge, knowledge of good and knoledge of evil.
the idea is to ditinguish between the two as you do each day by seing things thats bad and then you think; this is bad and by way of this you divide the bad from the good.
no knowledge would have entered through the ears or your sense if you didnt had eyes.
knowledge do enter through the ears, but then its been already knowledge. yes through the senses but you will agree it is not worth much if you cant see what you smell or feel.
no this is not what god intended to do. let us see what happened after A+E took the fruit.
the serpent said; your eyes will open and their eyes did open. he said you will become like God and they did become like God Gen3:22.
further; Gen.36- when the women SAW that the tree was GOOD FOR FOOD, and that it was PLEASANT TO THE EYES and a tree to be desired and to MAKE ONE WISE she took of the fruit and also gave to her husband and he did eat.
and theEYES OF BOTH OPENED and they KNEW ......(they developed awareness)
and they HEARD the VOICE...... (hearing developed)
verse 10. and he SAID, i HEARD THY VOICE.... (speach developed)
from this you can understand what advantages there was by eating this fruit of the eye.
it was therefore the idea of God to create the human to make him wise. the only negative thing was; you will die while you eat good and evil. this is a valid statement because we cant take bad things with us when we recievi eternal life, we first had to gain knowledge.
the bible is a manual to eternal life, as we become more intelligent we undestand it differently.
the bible has been misused untill now because we couldnt understand it.

[JackC]

the bible is a spiritual book written to guide us all the way from being sense- like animals to the spirit of imagination the second most powerfull power in the universe.
the ten commandments was to create our senses and when the senses were created we needed something new to create the human to a next level of intelligence. for this reason Jesus came and the ten commandments faded away. jesus is a God of our imagination, yes he exists for you but only in our imagination because we never saw him, we only imagine him. by way of imagination we became very creative; we imagined to go to the moon for instance and we did it, there are many more....
when we get more intelligent we read/experiance the bible in a different way, the paint starts to vanish from the mirror we are looking into and we now see things like they are, no more imagination but the real truth.
for instance; what is the Lords supper? what is the bertayal of Judas?
the betrayal cant just be that Judas took a sob/peice of bread from Jesus, because how can that be a betrayal? judas had the seat of honour at the table of God. none of us asks the question; now how can it be that Judas has the seat of honour but he is called a traitor??? the betrayal happened while Jesus served the Lords Supper and Judas was the "fool" to take the Lords Supper and that made him a traytor?? yes it did. the moment he took this sob the Satan entered into him according to the bible.
in any case the meaning of the word "sob" is to take or to give a bribe, so it realy says; Jesus gave Judas a bribe and Judas took the bribe and because of that he became the traytor.
but we all take the Lords supper and therefore we all are the traytor. i cant explain everything here now.
look at the tree of knowledge of good and evil; this is in fact a symbol of the Lords supper.for thousands of years we were told DONT EAT THE FRUIT of this tree, it is sin. but this is exactly what Judas did, he took the fruit of this tree. what is this tree in the midst of the garden of Eden. the tree is your eyes and the garden is your face and your eyes is exactly in the midst of your face/garden and we all eat this fruit of knowledge, logically all knowledge goes in through the eye. we look at the words of god where he says; you will certainly die if you eat this fruit; all this says is; while you eat this fruit you wil die because all mortals eat this fruit so they can become intelligent and then they can become immortal once they are intelligent enough, this is pure logic.
we have preached the sin and the awfull thing that the so-calle Adam and Eve did to eat from the tree of knowledge. what crap!!! but we had to believe it while we couldnt see through the mirror. what happened after they ate this so-called fruit of sin; Gen.3:4-14.
the serpent said; your eyes will open and it did, verse 7. the women saw; the fruit was GOOD for food, PLESANT to the eye, a tree to be desired to make you WISE, and the moment they ate the fruit their EYES OPENED. the next thing that happened was; they KNEW, they recieved knowledge as the name of the tree symbolize. the next thing was; they HEARD the voice of God; the next thing; they became ASHAMED/FEAR, they recieved emotions; the next thing; they SPOKE to God;
NOW FOR CHRIST SAKE; IS THIS BAD??????????
this is what happens now; we start to look through a new eye, a new eye is opening for us, but does the people want to hear this truth????????
the so-called Holy Ghost is the sixth eye, the sixth spirit of imagination or the literal eye; everybody have this spirit and not just the so-called church who roams in this. the Holy Ghost is not the spirit of truth, as you will now understand (if you do understand what i explain here) but the seventh spirit or eye is the spirit of truth, the one where you can look right through the mirror. at this moment everybody on this planit have the sixth spirit the spirit of the Holy Ghost, called imagination.
but now imagination has reached its top floor and we need something new to develope the human to the next stage which is immortality. but first you will have to understand the image of God.
the image of God is;
male and female; invisible and visible; spirit and flesh; untouchable and touchable; light and darkness;
father and mother; heaven and earth; imortal and mortal etc.
IT IS ONE COIN WITH TWO SIDES, ONE BODY WITH TWO APPEARANCES.

I know there are various schools of spiritual thought that say partaking of the tree of knowledge was not necessarily bad - for knowledge, as you describe above, is most certainly good!

I too traveled along this road until the Tree of Life was revealed.

The Tree of Life is the Body of Christ, the Vine and branches, the Spiral of Creation. By partaking of the tree of knowledge we partook of food that turned our consciousness away from Christ and the Unity or Oneness of Creation, towards a knowledge of our self as an individual, a separate entity, that perceives things in terms of good and evil or bad.

To return to the Tree of Life - to be reconnected or saved, which comes by Grace, we must first stop partaking of the tree of knowledge. This is done by following the commandments of Jesus, by denying self, by sacrificing the self and its desires, giving our self as a living sacrifice to God, thus losing our life of partaking of the tree of knowledge, losing our life as a creature existing as a separated, separative or sinful (perpetuating separation) individual.

All in the Bible points to this One Necessary Verity.


Jack

[lilpixieofterror]

Moving this one to Unorthodox Theology as well.

[Vigilante]

Back to the OP.

I think image has got nothing to do with what things "look" like. God is not bound into a shape of atoms and cells told them by little god-genes.
I think it has more to do with attributes: Volition, emotion, conscienceness, etc... The types of things not found elsewhere in the universe.