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johannes
July 1st 2007, 02:05 PM
Who is Eden?

Eden is your physical body described from one angle; let us see if I can prove this to you.

Gen 2: 8 and the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden.
Therefore: Eden is NOT a garden, but a “garden was planted” in Eden. This garden being your five senses or your brain/face. Eastward is your face, where all of your senses meet in your brain. East is the front of your body.

The Hebrew meaning of garden is: to fence or guard or protect (the senses are there to protect us) therefore the garden is symbolized by your senses.

Verse 8 continued: and there (in the garden) He put the man who He (already) had formed, for the bible says God first created man and then the woman, a body for the man.
Verse 15: the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden in Eden (your face) to dress it and to keep it.
What does this mean?
Dress (Hebrew) = to advance, accomplish, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, prepare, enslave, keep in bondage, execute, husbandman, servant, worshipper and many more, but it speaks for itself, namely to “evolve” the human body.

To keep = to preserve (until the resurrection, until we are intelligent enough to find the way to defeat the guard of the tree of eternal life)
I can assure you the way/road is now open.

We can therefore say the garden is your head/face, and God put this spiritual man/husband in your head/face/garden to be your husband/man to advance the human body (to bring it to perfection) and to keep it alive eternally, to feed it spiritually.

Verse 10: and a river went out of Eden (your body) to water the (this) garden (in your face)

River (Hebrew) = a stream, to sparkle, to be cheerful.

To water (Hebrew) = to irrigate, cause to drink, (to supply) semen (seeds) Water is a symbol of spirit.

It is clear from this that Eden, the human body, must feed the husband/man/spirit with knowledge (from the eye/seeds) and keep him alive to sparkle and be cheerful and to supply semen.

Verse 10 continues: and from thence (the garden/face/your head) it was parted, and became into four heads (streams).

The four heads = your spinal cord, your veins, your nose or breathing channel and your gullet.

Verse 11: the name of the first is Pison, that is it, which compasseth the whole land Havilah, where there was gold.

Pison (Hebrew) = fast flowing, scattered, disperse, to spread.

Havilah (Hebrew) = circular, twist or whirl, in a circular or spiral manner, it also implicates feeling of pain, fear, grief, hope etc.

This clearly describes your brain, spinal cord, nerve system, which is fast flowing, scattered, circular, a circle, spiral etc, too and from the brain and to make you aware of pain for instance.

Verse 13: the name of the second river is Gihon. The same is it that campasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

Gihon (Hebrew) = a fountain, to gush forth, a stream, a river of paradise.

Ethiopia (Hebrew) = territory (meaning the one in command.)

This is your heart as the fountain, and the veins through your body (a circulatory system) your soul is in your blood – your “river” of paradise – happiness. Also your blood/heart is the one in “command”.

Verse 14: the name of the third river is Hiddekel, which is it that goes toward the east of Assyria.

Hiddekel (Hebrew): to sting, prickly plant (the lungs look like the leafs of a prickly plant), and big river.

Assyria (Hebrew): to be straight, collect or inhabitant

Clearly this describes your respiratory system (air pipe and lungs, which run in the front of your body, namely the east = your front.)

Verse 14 continues: and the fourth river is the Euphrates.

Euphrates (Hebrew) = to break forth, rushing, river on the east, grow, increase, bring forth.

This is your digestive system (gullet, intestines and stomach that feeds/grow)

These “river” systems/organs feed the garden in Eden (your body).
I say; your body feeds your spirits and the spirits are there to protect and advance you.

Verse 9: out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Out of the ground means “out of the body” that’s created out of soil/ground.

These trees are your five senses – sense of sound, sight, taste, smell, and touch. All of them connected to the brain (in the garden.)

However, let me add this:
The tree of knowledge of good and evil was not guarded; humans have the “free choice” to eat the fruit of this tree. All of us still eat this fruit each and every day.


Now you can understand and agree that Eve was not driven out of Eden, because Eden is Eve, your physical body.

Minnesota
July 1st 2007, 06:15 PM
Hey, let me introduce you to Richard Amiel McGough, a past Tweb participant (don't recall his moniker) I think you two have a lot in common.
43922 (http://www.biblewheel.com/default.asp)

Cynic Sage
July 1st 2007, 06:33 PM
Who is Eden?

Eden is your physical body described from one angle; let us see if I can prove this to you.

Gen 2: 8 and the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden.
Therefore: Eden is NOT a garden, but a “garden was planted” in Eden. This garden being your five senses or your brain/face. Eastward is your face, where all of your senses meet in your brain. East is the front of your body.

The Hebrew meaning of garden is: to fence or guard or protect (the senses are there to protect us) therefore the garden is symbolized by your senses.

Verse 8 continued: and there (in the garden) He put the man who He (already) had formed, for the bible says God first created man and then the woman, a body for the man.
Verse 15: the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden in Eden (your face) to dress it and to keep it.
What does this mean?
Dress (Hebrew) = to advance, accomplish, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, prepare, enslave, keep in bondage, execute, husbandman, servant, worshipper and many more, but it speaks for itself, namely to “evolve” the human body.

To keep = to preserve (until the resurrection, until we are intelligent enough to find the way to defeat the guard of the tree of eternal life)
I can assure you the way/road is now open.

We can therefore say the garden is your head/face, and God put this spiritual man/husband in your head/face/garden to be your husband/man to advance the human body (to bring it to perfection) and to keep it alive eternally, to feed it spiritually.

Verse 10: and a river went out of Eden (your body) to water the (this) garden (in your face)

River (Hebrew) = a stream, to sparkle, to be cheerful.

To water (Hebrew) = to irrigate, cause to drink, (to supply) semen (seeds) Water is a symbol of spirit.

It is clear from this that Eden, the human body, must feed the husband/man/spirit with knowledge (from the eye/seeds) and keep him alive to sparkle and be cheerful and to supply semen.

Verse 10 continues: and from thence (the garden/face/your head) it was parted, and became into four heads (streams).

The four heads = your spinal cord, your veins, your nose or breathing channel and your gullet.

Verse 11: the name of the first is Pison, that is it, which compasseth the whole land Havilah, where there was gold.

Pison (Hebrew) = fast flowing, scattered, disperse, to spread.

Havilah (Hebrew) = circular, twist or whirl, in a circular or spiral manner, it also implicates feeling of pain, fear, grief, hope etc.

This clearly describes your brain, spinal cord, nerve system, which is fast flowing, scattered, circular, a circle, spiral etc, too and from the brain and to make you aware of pain for instance.

Verse 13: the name of the second river is Gihon. The same is it that campasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

Gihon (Hebrew) = a fountain, to gush forth, a stream, a river of paradise.

Ethiopia (Hebrew) = territory (meaning the one in command.)

This is your heart as the fountain, and the veins through your body (a circulatory system) your soul is in your blood – your “river” of paradise – happiness. Also your blood/heart is the one in “command”.

Verse 14: the name of the third river is Hiddekel, which is it that goes toward the east of Assyria.

Hiddekel (Hebrew): to sting, prickly plant (the lungs look like the leafs of a prickly plant), and big river.

Assyria (Hebrew): to be straight, collect or inhabitant

Clearly this describes your respiratory system (air pipe and lungs, which run in the front of your body, namely the east = your front.)

Verse 14 continues: and the fourth river is the Euphrates.

Euphrates (Hebrew) = to break forth, rushing, river on the east, grow, increase, bring forth.

This is your digestive system (gullet, intestines and stomach that feeds/grow)

These “river” systems/organs feed the garden in Eden (your body).
I say; your body feeds your spirits and the spirits are there to protect and advance you.

Verse 9: out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Out of the ground means “out of the body” that’s created out of soil/ground.

These trees are your five senses – sense of sound, sight, taste, smell, and touch. All of them connected to the brain (in the garden.)

However, let me add this:
The tree of knowledge of good and evil was not guarded; humans have the “free choice” to eat the fruit of this tree. All of us still eat this fruit each and every day.


Now you can understand and agree that Eve was not driven out of Eden, because Eden is Eve, your physical body.

:huh:

Dr. Jack Bauer
July 2nd 2007, 07:42 AM
This thread has been moved to Unorthodox Theology 201

johannes
July 2nd 2007, 12:26 PM
Hey, let me introduce you to Richard Amiel McGough, a past Tweb participant (don't recall his moniker) I think you two have a lot in common.
43922 (http://www.biblewheel.com/default.asp)

cool, i love my family.

mikeledo
July 3rd 2007, 12:22 PM
Eden was Dilmun. The 4 rivers were latter additions.

Sparko
July 15th 2007, 01:41 PM
Minnesota has permission to post in this thread as he started in it before it was moved to unorthodox. But he must keep to the rules of debating within the framework of theism (no atheist arguments here)

Bernie
July 16th 2007, 11:02 AM
hi johannes,

It is clear from this that Eden, the human body, must feed the husband/man/spirit with knowledge

We can therefore say the garden is your head/face, and God put this spiritual man/husband in your head/face/garden to be your husband/man to advance the human body (to bring it to perfection) and to keep it alive eternally, to feed it spiritually.
You seem to be saying in one sentence that body feeds spirit, and the next that spirit feeds body. Is there a causative procession? If so, can't be both ways.

Also, you lose me when after establishing water as a type of spirit (a fairly orthodox interpretation/view), you then change gears and interpret other instances of water thus....

"the name of the second river is Gihon. The same is it that campasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. Gihon (Hebrew) = a fountain, to gush forth, a stream, a river of paradise.
Ethiopia (Hebrew) = territory (meaning the one in command.)
This is your heart as the fountain, and the veins through your body (a circulatory system) your soul is in your blood – your “river” of paradise – happiness. Also your blood/heart is the one in “command”.

the name of the third river is Hiddekel, which is it that goes toward the east of Assyria.
Hiddekel (Hebrew): to sting, prickly plant (the lungs look like the leafs of a prickly plant), and big river.
Assyria (Hebrew): to be straight, collect or inhabitant
Clearly this describes your respiratory system (air pipe and lungs, which run in the front of your body, namely the east = your front.)

verse 14 continues: and the fourth river is the Euphrates.
Euphrates (Hebrew) = to break forth, rushing, river on the east, grow, increase, bring forth.
This is your digestive system (gullet, intestines and stomach that feeds/grow)
These “river” systems/organs feed the garden in Eden (your body).

Not sure how you arrive at the proposition that these accompanying waters "clearly" represent non-spirit entities (digestive, circulatory, etc.) or functions.

"I say; your body feeds your spirits and the spirits are there to protect and advance you."
Okay, but the notion of matter "feeding" spirit(s) seems contrary to the apparent establishment of causality from spirit to mind to matter....God promised death in the day Adam ate (Gen 2:17), and Adam's hiding his nakedness from God (3:8), coupled with the fact that Adam continued to live physically to a ripe old age (5:5) suggests that what died 'in that [literal] day' took place in incorporeal essence. By this account, which seems to hold up pretty well in experience, the notion of matter feeding spirit in any sense seems incoherent.

What am I missing?

johannes
July 16th 2007, 02:18 PM
hi johannes,


You seem to be saying in one sentence that body feeds spirit, and the next that spirit feeds body. Is there a causative procession? If so, can't be both ways.

Also, you lose me when after establishing water as a type of spirit (a fairly orthodox interpretation/view), you then change gears and interpret other instances of water thus....



Not sure how you arrive at the proposition that these accompanying waters "clearly" represent non-spirit entities (digestive, circulatory, etc.) or functions.


Okay, but the notion of matter "feeding" spirit(s) seems contrary to the apparent establishment of causality from spirit to mind to matter....God promised death in the day Adam ate (Gen 2:17), and Adam's hiding his nakedness from God (3:8), coupled with the fact that Adam continued to live physically to a ripe old age (5:5) suggests that what died 'in that [literal] day' took place in incorporeal essence. By this account, which seems to hold up pretty well in experience, the notion of matter feeding spirit in any sense seems incoherent.

What am I missing?

thanks for your message.
your quote; You seem to be saying in one sentence that body feeds spirit, and the next that spirit feeds body. Is there a causative procession? If so, can't be both ways. the eyes feed the brain with pictures, the ears feed the brain with hearing for instance and bring knowledege/spirit to the brain.
your next quote; Also, you lose me when after establishing water as a type of spirit (a fairly orthodox interpretation/view), you then change gears and interpret other instances of water thus....
the senses are spirits and therefore water or rivers to symbolize these spirits. we might think that hearing or touching is only senses but in fact it is spirits.


added by Crow from deleted back to back post~

God promised death in the day Adam ate (Gen 2:17), and Adam's hiding his nakedness from God (3:8), coupled with the fact that Adam continued to live physically to a ripe old age (5:5) suggests that what died 'in that [literal] day' took place in incorporeal essence. By this account, which seems to hold up pretty well in experience, the notion of matter feeding spirit in any sense seems incoherent.
sorry i forgot to answer this; the day you eat from the tree you die. the reason Adam lived another hundred years or more is; we are still now at this moment on the sixth day. the sixth day hasent passed yet, but we are now almoust at the end of the sixth day.

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