whacky888
July 19th 2007, 03:52 PM
please cite the verse where God ordered the Israelites to sacrifice humans
The God of Love would never order or ordain such a practice. "First-borns passing through the fire" is not a reference to human sacrifice. The Truth is this: We are all passing through the fire as I speak, and, have been for a milleneum.
This is as Muslims are told, "the last day". This is the major tenant of Islam. "Do you believe in God, and the last day"?
A quick note to Christians:
Before you open your trap and call Islam an "evil religion", and Mohammed a "false prophet", have some ears to hear this.
Mohammed was NOT a prophet. He never claimed to be anyone other than "a messenger of good news and a warning". He was a mortal man, who performed zero magic tricks, and spent 23 years attempting to get all but one person to believe Him. He only fought or battled in self-defense, mainly from attacks by Christians.
Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
That “great nation” is Islam. The “twelve princes” are the twelve “Imams” of Islamic prophesy. There have been eleven, with the twelfth being the “Mahdi”.
The Madhi is prophesied to actually appear with the second coming of the Son of man. True Muslims believe that Jesus was indeed "God's only "unique", rather than "begotten" Son", which is the proper interpretation of John 3:16.
You know the parable of the "ten virgins"? The five who took time to get the "oil" for their lamps?
The oil is symbolic for a certain kind of information. Where is it found? In the "Noble Qu'ran". It might be wise for Christians to read this book, and take some "oil" (Truth) from it. Or, do you wish to be the other "five virgins", who get left behind?
The "horseman" can lead his horses to water (or oil in this case), but, he cannot make them drink.
I apologize for getting off the subject. Bad habit maybe, but, important nonetheless.
With that being said, you folks are missing the one very important event that man says God ordained and allowed. This event is the most well-known "human sacrifice" in history. What event you ask?
The Crucifixion of a man named Yeshua ben Joseph (possibly Pandira), a.k.a. Jesus Christ.
Now, I split this from the "apologetics" forum, as, this post woould have definitely been deleted or moved, and, I would have been reprimanded, or even kicked out altogether for writing this.
The fact of the matter is this: The Truth is the Truth, but, Christians cannot accept the Truth because they are drunk on both the "old and new wine". They have mixed it all up, pouring new wine into old wineskins, and, old wine into new ones. They have not merely made His wine "bitter", it has become utterly "poisonous". And for that, we should all "apologize".
This wine is the very same wine that Jesus said He would not "drinketh of until I drink it ANEW with you in MY FATHER'S Kingdom". He took His last sip of this crap at the Last Supper, and, says so in all four gospels of the canon.
I know , most will claim that this is "unorthodox Theology". How can Truth be considered "unorthodox"?
It can only be considered as such if "THE WHOLE WORLD IS DECEIVED".
Guess what? It is. Jesus said so, and I stand firmly behind His Word.
That is as apologetic as one can be.
I can only present the Truth, I cannot moderate it. Anyone reading this with one "mustard seed" of faith would be wise to have ears to hear.
Jesus the Christ was a literal human sacrifice. And sadly, He is worshipped as such. The six hours spent on that cross was a miniscule amount of suffering compared to the amount of mental suffering and anguish He faced His entire life.
Can you imagine being informed by God that you were the "anointed One", and, it was your job to get the True message of God relayed to the world, and, because of this, you were inevitably going to be executed for doing so? Believe me or not, being a "Son of man" is not even a bit close to what it is cracked up to be.
What if the True Heavenly Parent(s) informed you that you were the "One who is to come", the "Lamb of God", the True and literal "coming of the Son of man"? And, They informed you in such a cosmic fashion that there was no way you could deny it, or write it off as some kind of "psychotic delusion"? What if you were the one who received the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit of the Mother, and the "gift" of interpretation in order to properly interpret the "scrolls"? What if you were the one who received the gift, but, the knowledge of Truth was something you had to earn yourself, with very little Divine help?
What if you were that person whom God literally took "out of the world", in order to be "made worthy to open the scrolls, and tell the meaning thereof"? And, in the process, you lose everything. What if you were informed that you would lose your money, your family, your friends, your health, and possibly your mind in the process.
What if you were that person who when finally becomes "worthy" to properly interpret the scrolls, that the Truth is nowhere near what every Catholic, Christian, Jew, or Muslim has been programmed to believe?
What if you had to tell every religion that although there is a lot of Truth in all of the scriptures, all religion is false? "All" the scriptures is not limited to the Judea/Christian Bible. This is the book that is the most screwed up, and what if you were the one who was commisioned to set the Truth straight, and clear up that mess of a "cannon".....sorry "canon"? And, even though proper interpretation points to you as that person, absolutely no one would ever believe it, because of the "false teachings" of the Pharisees and Scribes.
How enviable a task do you think that might be? That is suffering my friends, and, believe me, it is a real human sacrifice. The only solace you have is to know for a 110% fact that you have acheived salvation, knowin from whence you came, and whither you are going; never to "go out again".
The world is indeed an illusion, but, that does not refute the fact that it "seems" so real. Believe me, Jesus was more than happy to suffer those six hours, as if He really suffered the agony you Christians seem to celebrate every Sunday.
Is that unorthodox? No. Is that "apologetic"? It better be. It is indeed high time to apologize to Him, and ask His True Heavenly Father for forgiveness.
Jesus did not die on the cross for your sins. He spent His entire life dying for them in your "first generation" of lives. And, mankind has screwed up His whole reason for living by not paying any attention to what He actually said. Like;
"Think not that I am come to conquer the world, I am come so that through Me, THE WORLD MIGHT BE SAVED"
"I am the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life; no one gets to the Father except BY Me."
The Word "by" here does not mean "at My bidding"
But Jesus said, "No, but I shall go to the place from whence I came. If you wish to come with me, come!"
They all answered and said, "If you bid us, we come."
He said, "Verily I say unto you, no one will ever enter the kingdom of heaven at my bidding, but (only) because you yourselves are full. (The Apocryphon of John)
Hebrews 9:28 (NIV) so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
The Christ Spirit has to return again. Why? Because, Christians have done the same thing to Him as the Israelites (you) did to the one you call God, who is Yahweh, YHWH, Jehovah, the LORD.
You did not listen to the LORD, and now you won't listen to Jesus. So, He has to appear again as the Son of man, with a "NEW NAME", and a "RENEWED MESSAGE OF TRUTH"
This is the wine Christ will drink ANEW, but ironically, Christians and Jews won't.
"I am come in My Father's name, and you will not accept my testimony; another will come in his own name, him you will accept".....Hint: He came on the "heels" of Jesus. His name means "lowly". He was "blinded" on a certain road. And, he only "thought" that he had the Spirit of God. And, Christians hang on his every word, which are abundantly more than Jesus'.
Jesus was indeed a human sacrifice. Just not the kind Christians worship Him as. His entire life was a sacrifice in order that by believing in what He said, you might have a chance to escape the "second death", and so that "through HIM, "THE WHOLE WORLD MIGHT BE SAVED". Now, there is some serious sacrifice, and He has been doing it for 6000 years residing in the Sons of men.
Now have ears to hear this. All Christians should be apologetic. They should cry their collective eyes out apologizing for turning the man who came to save the world, into a literal "beast of your burdens". He did not carry that cross for you personally, and He tells you many times to "pick up your own". He lived and died for the entire world.
Now, that is sacrifice folks. And, now He has to do it all over again, but, not in a super-duper circus act called the rapture. This doctrine is among a plethora of false teachings, and is part of the "leaven" that He warned you countless times to "beware of".
I can present the Truth, but, I cannot make, or even expect anyone to believe it, but, you cannot say I did not warn you when the time comes for you to say,
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
And, you thought that all you had to do was believe that Jesus is God, died for your sins, and go to church, give ten percent of your gross income, and preach all that "good news" of "know Jesus or go to hell". Do you think this "many" might be you? Have some serious ears to hear people.
Peace and Love to all
steve "eden"
The God of Love would never order or ordain such a practice. "First-borns passing through the fire" is not a reference to human sacrifice. The Truth is this: We are all passing through the fire as I speak, and, have been for a milleneum.
This is as Muslims are told, "the last day". This is the major tenant of Islam. "Do you believe in God, and the last day"?
A quick note to Christians:
Before you open your trap and call Islam an "evil religion", and Mohammed a "false prophet", have some ears to hear this.
Mohammed was NOT a prophet. He never claimed to be anyone other than "a messenger of good news and a warning". He was a mortal man, who performed zero magic tricks, and spent 23 years attempting to get all but one person to believe Him. He only fought or battled in self-defense, mainly from attacks by Christians.
Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
That “great nation” is Islam. The “twelve princes” are the twelve “Imams” of Islamic prophesy. There have been eleven, with the twelfth being the “Mahdi”.
The Madhi is prophesied to actually appear with the second coming of the Son of man. True Muslims believe that Jesus was indeed "God's only "unique", rather than "begotten" Son", which is the proper interpretation of John 3:16.
You know the parable of the "ten virgins"? The five who took time to get the "oil" for their lamps?
The oil is symbolic for a certain kind of information. Where is it found? In the "Noble Qu'ran". It might be wise for Christians to read this book, and take some "oil" (Truth) from it. Or, do you wish to be the other "five virgins", who get left behind?
The "horseman" can lead his horses to water (or oil in this case), but, he cannot make them drink.
I apologize for getting off the subject. Bad habit maybe, but, important nonetheless.
With that being said, you folks are missing the one very important event that man says God ordained and allowed. This event is the most well-known "human sacrifice" in history. What event you ask?
The Crucifixion of a man named Yeshua ben Joseph (possibly Pandira), a.k.a. Jesus Christ.
Now, I split this from the "apologetics" forum, as, this post woould have definitely been deleted or moved, and, I would have been reprimanded, or even kicked out altogether for writing this.
The fact of the matter is this: The Truth is the Truth, but, Christians cannot accept the Truth because they are drunk on both the "old and new wine". They have mixed it all up, pouring new wine into old wineskins, and, old wine into new ones. They have not merely made His wine "bitter", it has become utterly "poisonous". And for that, we should all "apologize".
This wine is the very same wine that Jesus said He would not "drinketh of until I drink it ANEW with you in MY FATHER'S Kingdom". He took His last sip of this crap at the Last Supper, and, says so in all four gospels of the canon.
I know , most will claim that this is "unorthodox Theology". How can Truth be considered "unorthodox"?
It can only be considered as such if "THE WHOLE WORLD IS DECEIVED".
Guess what? It is. Jesus said so, and I stand firmly behind His Word.
That is as apologetic as one can be.
I can only present the Truth, I cannot moderate it. Anyone reading this with one "mustard seed" of faith would be wise to have ears to hear.
Jesus the Christ was a literal human sacrifice. And sadly, He is worshipped as such. The six hours spent on that cross was a miniscule amount of suffering compared to the amount of mental suffering and anguish He faced His entire life.
Can you imagine being informed by God that you were the "anointed One", and, it was your job to get the True message of God relayed to the world, and, because of this, you were inevitably going to be executed for doing so? Believe me or not, being a "Son of man" is not even a bit close to what it is cracked up to be.
What if the True Heavenly Parent(s) informed you that you were the "One who is to come", the "Lamb of God", the True and literal "coming of the Son of man"? And, They informed you in such a cosmic fashion that there was no way you could deny it, or write it off as some kind of "psychotic delusion"? What if you were the one who received the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit of the Mother, and the "gift" of interpretation in order to properly interpret the "scrolls"? What if you were the one who received the gift, but, the knowledge of Truth was something you had to earn yourself, with very little Divine help?
What if you were that person whom God literally took "out of the world", in order to be "made worthy to open the scrolls, and tell the meaning thereof"? And, in the process, you lose everything. What if you were informed that you would lose your money, your family, your friends, your health, and possibly your mind in the process.
What if you were that person who when finally becomes "worthy" to properly interpret the scrolls, that the Truth is nowhere near what every Catholic, Christian, Jew, or Muslim has been programmed to believe?
What if you had to tell every religion that although there is a lot of Truth in all of the scriptures, all religion is false? "All" the scriptures is not limited to the Judea/Christian Bible. This is the book that is the most screwed up, and what if you were the one who was commisioned to set the Truth straight, and clear up that mess of a "cannon".....sorry "canon"? And, even though proper interpretation points to you as that person, absolutely no one would ever believe it, because of the "false teachings" of the Pharisees and Scribes.
How enviable a task do you think that might be? That is suffering my friends, and, believe me, it is a real human sacrifice. The only solace you have is to know for a 110% fact that you have acheived salvation, knowin from whence you came, and whither you are going; never to "go out again".
The world is indeed an illusion, but, that does not refute the fact that it "seems" so real. Believe me, Jesus was more than happy to suffer those six hours, as if He really suffered the agony you Christians seem to celebrate every Sunday.
Is that unorthodox? No. Is that "apologetic"? It better be. It is indeed high time to apologize to Him, and ask His True Heavenly Father for forgiveness.
Jesus did not die on the cross for your sins. He spent His entire life dying for them in your "first generation" of lives. And, mankind has screwed up His whole reason for living by not paying any attention to what He actually said. Like;
"Think not that I am come to conquer the world, I am come so that through Me, THE WORLD MIGHT BE SAVED"
"I am the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life; no one gets to the Father except BY Me."
The Word "by" here does not mean "at My bidding"
But Jesus said, "No, but I shall go to the place from whence I came. If you wish to come with me, come!"
They all answered and said, "If you bid us, we come."
He said, "Verily I say unto you, no one will ever enter the kingdom of heaven at my bidding, but (only) because you yourselves are full. (The Apocryphon of John)
Hebrews 9:28 (NIV) so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
The Christ Spirit has to return again. Why? Because, Christians have done the same thing to Him as the Israelites (you) did to the one you call God, who is Yahweh, YHWH, Jehovah, the LORD.
You did not listen to the LORD, and now you won't listen to Jesus. So, He has to appear again as the Son of man, with a "NEW NAME", and a "RENEWED MESSAGE OF TRUTH"
This is the wine Christ will drink ANEW, but ironically, Christians and Jews won't.
"I am come in My Father's name, and you will not accept my testimony; another will come in his own name, him you will accept".....Hint: He came on the "heels" of Jesus. His name means "lowly". He was "blinded" on a certain road. And, he only "thought" that he had the Spirit of God. And, Christians hang on his every word, which are abundantly more than Jesus'.
Jesus was indeed a human sacrifice. Just not the kind Christians worship Him as. His entire life was a sacrifice in order that by believing in what He said, you might have a chance to escape the "second death", and so that "through HIM, "THE WHOLE WORLD MIGHT BE SAVED". Now, there is some serious sacrifice, and He has been doing it for 6000 years residing in the Sons of men.
Now have ears to hear this. All Christians should be apologetic. They should cry their collective eyes out apologizing for turning the man who came to save the world, into a literal "beast of your burdens". He did not carry that cross for you personally, and He tells you many times to "pick up your own". He lived and died for the entire world.
Now, that is sacrifice folks. And, now He has to do it all over again, but, not in a super-duper circus act called the rapture. This doctrine is among a plethora of false teachings, and is part of the "leaven" that He warned you countless times to "beware of".
I can present the Truth, but, I cannot make, or even expect anyone to believe it, but, you cannot say I did not warn you when the time comes for you to say,
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
And, you thought that all you had to do was believe that Jesus is God, died for your sins, and go to church, give ten percent of your gross income, and preach all that "good news" of "know Jesus or go to hell". Do you think this "many" might be you? Have some serious ears to hear people.
Peace and Love to all
steve "eden"