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Christ – The Alpha and the Omega by Dee Dee Warren
Published by dizzle
April 10th 2003 |
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#1
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Sher
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April 13th 2003, 02:24 AM
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Great job Dee Dee
I would only point out your small error in bolding: "[...] 1, 2, and 22[b/] – and in [b]22 in which the Unitarian [...]" (9th paragraph) and perhaps, if I may be so bold, suggest an addition of the fact that the very preface of Revelation is the "Revelation of Jesus Christ" ... Revelation is the uncovering of that which was previously not understood ... "God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets" (Heb 1:1) ... and this Revelation of Jesus Christ is to "uncover" or reveal His deity. |
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#2
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dizzle
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April 13th 2003, 10:12 AM
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Thank you Sher!! I will take a look at that formatting issue. I did have that concept you addressed in an earlier version of the article, but took it out to streamline the main point, and since the article is to provoke Unitarian debate (I am surprisd not a peep so far), I wanted to keep the issues somewhat narrowed.
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#4
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Sher
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April 13th 2003, 09:05 PM
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Today @ 10:12 AM post located hereYou are very welcome I'm glad you didn't think I was nitpicking. I did have that concept you addressed in an earlier version of the article, but took it out to streamline the main point, and since the article is to provoke Unitarian debate (I am surprisd not a peep so far), I wanted to keep the issues somewhat narrowed.Understandable ... ignore the "Queen of Verbosity" and :rockon: .... ![]() |
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#6
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dizzle
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April 17th 2003, 10:47 PM
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Thanks Gavin!!! This came out of a very old debate with Evangelion on this issue. He has never fully responded nor has the Lesser Evangelion.... nor come to think of it has Athanasian here who was somewhat critical (but based upon a total miscomprehension of one of my points) of it a little whiles ago. But then again, he has stated that he is leaning towards a different flavor of Unitarianism than Christadelphianism, ie Oneness which would not have a problem with the points I raised.....
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#9
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PRAISE
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April 18th 2003, 11:22 AM
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Today @ 02:53 PM post located hereIt's no wonder you're an administrator, DD! Wow! Great Job! PRAISE |
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#10
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Kevin W. Graham
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April 19th 2003, 05:36 PM
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I point out that Christ has already taken the title of “First and Last” in Revelation 1:16.I think you mean Rev 1:17. ? I'm not sure there is much I'd disagree with here, although I haven't read this in detail just yet and I'm not sure exactly what the Unitarian position is. I do believe that the texual evidence, when taken into consideration, reveals a transition whereby Christ becomes the Alpha and Omega (Revelation 1:11 in the KJV has a reference to Alpha and Omega as applied to Jesus Christ. This title is absent in the RSV and the ancient texts. It appears only in the Receptus and hence the KJV. We see again Rev 1:8 KJV using the Receptus deletes the words ho theos or The God and uses only kurios or Lord. Also, in Rev 21:6 is translated "it is done" as opposed to "it has occurred." So several elements indicating transition are tinkered with, by Trinitarian influence no doubt.) I don't think that is the Unitarian position, but it certainly isn't Trinitarian either. Maybe I'll do a review of this when finals are over. |
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#11
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dizzle
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April 19th 2003, 05:39 PM
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Yes I do mean 1:17, thank you for pointing that out. I would ask if you do a review on what you mentioned (and I would be interested in that) that we start another thread for that. I would really like to keep it to Unitarian/Trinitarian here. Thanks Kevin!!
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#14
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dizzle
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April 21st 2003, 07:28 AM
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Tektonics has also agreed to host this article, and it can be found at:
http://www.tektonics.org/ddwao.html Thank you JP!! Please go and check it out and visit the rest of the site while you are there. |
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#15
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dizzle
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April 23rd 2003, 05:32 AM
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Ahh, the spin goes on. It appears that my article has attracted some Unitarian attention but that they do not wish to come here, to where the author is and where the article appears, to address it. That is fine, there are various reasons for that, a great many of them having nothing to do with poultry.
But that being said, as I see comments (Evangelion's and Fort's can be found here), I will make my observations here and not scatter them across the Net. The first comment that I noted was the typical response that Jesus is simply bearing a title of God like an angel or man from the OT. Well that is certainly convenient and gets the Unitarian out of any pickle. What is ironic is that it was said by Fortigun who is the person that my article was originally written to counter, and his position then was that the Alpha and Omega was never used of Christ. Apparently now he has moved the goalposts and is arguing out of both sides of his mouth. If it doesn’t matter if it was ever really applied to Christ, then why argue it wasn’t in the first place. Very interesting. The next comment was by Evangelion himself who stated in sum that this is all well and good but that “God of gods” is never applied to Christ. This is simply convenience, because you know what? If it were, the Unitarian would simply say that it was applied to Christ in the same way that an angel or man from the OT bore a title of God. Do you see the stacked here folks? I do. |