NY Times also a lying thing?

yet more noise and risk of loss of life or limb - a report by a woman, not Lew Rockwell. http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/023603.html


ETA: Please provide documents of the worst lies that Lew Rockwell have made.

Sorry Augustine, you must link to the original article (aka, not Lew Rockwell). Like I said, I'm not following that liar known as Lew Rockwell when I caught him in a lie over the military. Sorry, but the military is not taught to murder people and when he claimed we were, he was lying. When are you going to understand that and stop letting him lie to you and actually let the military tell you want we do?

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Sorry Augustine, you must link to the original article (aka, not Lew Rockwell). Like I said, I'm not following that liar known as Lew Rockwell when I caught him in a lie over the military. Sorry, but the military is not taught to murder people and when he claimed we were, he was lying. When are you going to understand that and stop letting him lie to you and actually let the military tell you want we do?

Wow what a beauty of misunderstanding and poor reading! It was I - NOT Lew Rockwell - who argued that if a POTUS orders the armed forces particularly the Air Force to attack a weak nation using the current American style of warfare and numerous civilian losses resulted ('collateral damage') and drags that war on for years resulting yet more civilian deaths, then the POTUS must be judged guilty of murder. He surely must know what is going on. You've said he's an idiot, but I think he does know what's going on. He's evil.

Possibly another guy for LPO Terror to emulate. http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/023593.html Note: the article cites the NY Times, so it’s not all Lew Rockwell. If LPOT wants to dispute the facts of the case, she will have to dispute the NY Times.


William S. Lind says that al Qaida in Iraq may be failing partly because of its ‘Puritanism,’ which puts off the locals. However, he says, that does not mean 4GW models cannot succeed. He cited Hezbollah and the Latin American drug gangs as successful models. http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/lind151.html Note, LPO Terror, he cited Tom Rick of the Washington Post.


This can’t be a lie yet because it’s a prediction of sorts. Let’s see if it comes about.

Seven years later, according to an upcoming National Intelligence Estimate, Afghanistan is on a "downward spiral"; the drug trade flourishes as never before; the government of President Hamid Karzai is notoriously corrupt, deeply despised, and incapable of exercising control much beyond the capital; American and NATO troops, thanks largely to a reliance upon air power and soaring civilian deaths, are increasingly unpopular; the Taliban is resurgent and has established a shadow government across much of the south, while its guerrillas are embedded at the gates of Kabul. American and NATO forces promoted a "surge" strategy in 2007 that failed and are now calling for more of the same. Reconstruction never happened.

Result: Losing war.

Grade: F

http://www.lewrockwell.com/engelhard...lhardt358.html The estimate will be a government document if published, for God’s sake.

Originally posted by Augustine2004

Wow what a beauty of misunderstanding and poor reading! It was I - NOT Lew Rockwell - who argued that if a POTUS orders the armed forces particularly the Air Force to attack a weak nation using the current American style of warfare and numerous civilian losses resulted ('collateral damage') and drags that war on for years resulting yet more civilian deaths, then the POTUS must be judged guilty of murder. He surely must know what is going on. You've said he's an idiot, but I think he does know what's going on. He's evil.

And again you took the article from Lew Rockwell who claimed to have taken the article from a paper. I want the origional article Now either give me the link or admit you have nothing but Lew Rockwell to back up your stupidity with.

Possibly another guy for LPO Terror to emulate. http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/023593.html Note: the article cites the NY Times, so it’s not all Lew Rockwell. If LPOT wants to dispute the facts of the case, she will have to dispute the NY Times.

Sorry, but you gave a link to Lew Rockwell and I asked for the origional article from NY Times. What part of 'source materal' are you not understanding? I do not accept crap from Lew Rockwell after I caught him lying about what the military teachers you and I'm emulating an idiot who doesn't know how the military works. Keep linking to your hero Lew Rockwell, sooner or latter you'll actually give the origional source materal (but I doubt it).

blah blah blah...

Like I said, origional source materal and no links by Lew Rockwell. I have already shown he's a liar once and I don't accept anything by him again. Either give a link to the origional articles or don't bother to give me anymore idiotic crap.

What an ingenuous dodger you are. Why can’t you go to the Lew Rockwell article, look for the NY Times link and click on it?? Lazy, huh!

It’s possible Lew made a mistake. He’s human after all. Liar? You’re a liar yourself.

I think you meant an earlier NY Times article, but this is the most recent one that I cited.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/wa...hp&oref=slogin

Originally posted by Augustine2004

What an ingenuous dodger you are. Why can’t you go to the Lew Rockwell article, look for the NY Times link and click on it?? Lazy, huh!

Like I said, I'm not going to read any link by Lew Rockwell, it is a waste of time.

It’s possible Lew made a mistake. He’s human after all. Liar? You’re a liar yourself.

I'm not the one calling people murders I don't even know. Lew Rockwell and you by default are though.

I think you meant an earlier NY Times article, but this is the most recent one that I cited.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/wa...hp&oref=slogin

That's nice... and your point with this article is...

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Like I said, I'm not going to read any link by Lew Rockwell, it is a waste of time.

I think you meant 'any essay by Lew.' You don't know Lew like I do.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

I'm not the one calling people murders I don't even know.

But surely you should know what kind of fella Bush is by now. Cheney.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Lew Rockwell and you by default are though.

How so? I guess you are thinking that by being pacifist, we are letting murders take place. No. I do advocate hiring people through letters of marquee and reprisal to bag terrorists. You forgot that. Don't you remember that you foolishly asked for a letter at least twice? Hire locals. For example, hire Pakistani to bag OBL or his people.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

That's nice... and your point with this article is...

O, what a terrible memory you have! I cited the article because there's a fella in it that I hope would inspire you to leave the Air Force.

Originally posted by Augustine2004

I think you meant 'any essay by Lew.' You don't know Lew like I do.

Yeah, he's a liar who thinks the military trains people just to kill. He's wrong and I proved it. How many military members do you know?

But surely you should know what kind of fella Bush is by now. Cheney. How so? I guess you are thinking that by being pacifist, we are letting murders take place. No. I do advocate hiring people through letters of marquee and reprisal to bag terrorists. You forgot that. Don't you remember that you foolishly asked for a letter at least twice? Hire locals. For example, hire Pakistani to bag OBL or his people.

You are aware that the militaries of these countries you are naming are out their fighting terrorist too, right? What, Lew Rockwell didn't tell you that?

O, what a terrible memory you have! I cited the article because there's a fella in it that I hope would inspire you to leave the Air Force.

Why would I leave the AF? I have a career because of it. Besides, you have failed to prove any of it, just posted a bunch of stupid articles and pretended it was absolute fact. I'm still waiting for your point, got one?

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Yeah, he's a liar who thinks the military trains people just to kill. He's wrong and I proved it. How many military members do you know?

A neighbor was in the Korean War and was in many wars. He wouldn't talk about them, and hated the government. Alas he died a few years ago. A bit like Smedley G. Butler, I like to think.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

You are aware that the militaries of these countries you are naming are out their fighting terrorist too, right?

I did forget that. However we haven't really tried private enterprise yet, have we? Maybe offer a reward, set rules, such as don't kill civilians, and let 'em rip.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Why would I leave the AF?

It's not a place for a Christian to be. Like being in the Roman army during Jesus Christ's time.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

I have a career because of it.

Are you saying that you would have no work if the AF were not there to give you work?

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Besides, you have failed to prove any of it, just posted a bunch of stupid articles and pretended it was absolute fact. I'm still waiting for your point, got one?

I suppose I should assume that you reject Christianity.

Correction, Smedley Darlington Butler.

My local newspaper reported that a USAF strike killed 9 Afghani in a ‘friendly fire’ incident. I assume that was purely accidental. It did not arise from an intent to murder by those people who conducted that mission. Nevertheless, I would cite such incidents as murder evidence against the neo cons, principally Cheney and Bush. Once again, when you start a war, you had better damn have excellent reasons. You have to expect incidents like the friendly fire one above.


I remember now, the neighbor mentioned talking to General Patton, so he was in WWII. He still said little about his experiences even though I asked questions.

Originally posted by Augustine2004

A neighbor was in the Korean War and was in many wars.

Alot has changed in 50 years.

He wouldn't talk about them, and hated the government. Alas he died a few years ago. A bit like Smedley G. Butler, I like to think.

I also know people in the Korean War as well and they don't hate the government. Did you stop to think that just because one person doesn't like his experience and hates the government doesn't mean everybody did? Go to a veterins day parade at some point and you'll see alot of people wearing their uniforms, some from as far back as WWII. I guess when they thank us for our service, they must hate the government too, eh?

I did forget that. However we haven't really tried private enterprise yet, have we? Maybe offer a reward, set rules, such as don't kill civilians, and let 'em rip.

I've never ever have shot anybody or have killed anybody. Do you have the slighest clue what I do on the job or do you just think that all we do all day is train to kill? Let give you a lession, in the nearly 5 years I've been in. I've been in zero combat situations, had shot zero people, have held a gun in zero combat situations, and have had a total of three weeks of combat training. Oh yeah... we're just killing machines. Try again and this time actually find something who is in the AF.

It's not a place for a Christian to be. Like being in the Roman army during Jesus Christ's time.

I know this would blow your mind, but the military has changed in 2,000 years and even during Jesus' time... there were military men that Jesus and the apostles talked to and guess how many they told to leave the service? Not a single one... humm... I wonder why...

Are you saying that you would have no work if the AF were not there to give you work?I suppose I should assume that you reject Christianity.

If I wanted to work in a grocery store, sure. My parents are not rich and can't afford to pay for my education and my chances of being able to get it on my own is minminal. In the AF I have full education benefits, full medical, dental and vision, have a community that cares about it's members, and a job that pays two to three times more then I would earn in the civilian world. Not only that, but I have job security. Sorry, but there is zero verses in the entire Bible that object to military service and even some of the prophets were at one point, in the military. So sorry... you're assertion is wrong, but I don't expect you to ever admit to it becuase you are too busy letting your Lord and master (Lew Rockwell) tell you what to think.

My local newspaper reported that a USAF strike killed 9 Afghani in a ‘friendly fire’ incident. I assume that was purely accidental. It did not arise from an intent to murder by those people who conducted that mission. Nevertheless, I would cite such incidents as murder evidence against the neo cons, principally Cheney and Bush. Once again, when you start a war, you had better damn have excellent reasons. You have to expect incidents like the friendly fire one above.

Ok, develop a system that can prevent all civlian deaths. If you can't, you have nothing to complain about. Yet again, you make bogus errors and stupid reason, do you really think that the military does not care if they kill people or not? Shoot, we have cancled missions because civilian deaths would result. Now go to washington DC and give them your weapons system that can preven tpeople from being killed. Until you can, stop whining and accusing people you disagree with for murder. You yet again display before all that you don't have the slightest clue what goes on and just let your Lord and Master (Lew Rockwell) do your thinking for you.

I remember now, the neighbor mentioned talking to General Patton, so he was in WWII. He still said little about his experiences even though I asked questions.

I'm sure he was, but there are thousands of people that disagree with you or do you accuse everybody that you disagree with for not being Christians.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

I've never ever have shot anybody or have killed anybody. Do you have the slighest clue what I do on the job or do you just think that all we do all day is train to kill? Let give you a lession, in the nearly 5 years I've been in. I've been in zero combat situations, had shot zero people, have held a gun in zero combat situations, and have had a total of three weeks of combat training. Oh yeah... we're just killing machines. Try again and this time actually find something who is in the AF.

I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. "I'm not responsible for all those deaths, not even the deaths caused by the aircraft whose engines I've worked on. None of the boys and girls in the Mid East are responsible for any civilian deaths that occurred as a result of the US occupation there."

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

I know this would blow your mind, but the military has changed in 2,000 years

I fail to see what difference that makes to the morality of the MidEast occupation.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

and even during Jesus' time... there were military men that Jesus and the apostles talked to and guess how many they told to leave the service? Not a single one... humm... I wonder why...

You would go beyond Augustine's and others' Just War theory? I mean not me - Augustine of Hippo.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

If I wanted to work in a grocery store, sure. My parents are not rich and can't afford to pay for my education and my chances of being able to get it on my own is minminal. In the AF I have full education benefits, full medical, dental and vision, have a community that cares about it's members, and a job that pays two to three times more then I would earn in the civilian world. Not only that, but I have job security. Sorry, but there is zero verses in the entire Bible that object to military service and even some of the prophets were at one point, in the military. So sorry... you're assertion is wrong, but I don't expect you to ever admit to it becuase you are too busy letting your Lord and master (Lew Rockwell) tell you what to think.

"I have to rob jewelry stores, because otherwise I'd be poor. I have to con rich eldery ladies out of their savings because otherwise I can't afford an education." Look, about affording an education, if you can afford the Internet you can study on your own. Libraries are free anyway, courtesy of the government, not that I approve.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Ok, develop a system that can prevent all civlian deaths. If you can't, you have nothing to complain about.

Is this not really indifference to the suffering that the Mideast occupation has caused? Time after time I've asked people to justify that. What do we get? Nothing, really.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Yet again, you make bogus errors

Bogus errors? Zat that?

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

and stupid reason,

Go ahead, and show us what they are.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

do you really think that the military does not care if they kill people or not? Shoot, we have cancled missions because civilian deaths would result. Now go to washington DC and give them your weapons system that can preven tpeople from being killed. Until you can, stop whining and accusing people you disagree with for murder. You yet again display before all that you don't have the slightest clue what goes on and just let your Lord and Master (Lew Rockwell) do your thinking for you.

My God, what's the matter with you? Are you really that morally obtuse? Or do you know very well what you are doing but is pretending to be morally obtuse? On the slight chance you're just being stupid, let me spell it out: You're ordered to do something in an organization. The organization's operations result in a few deaths every year, even though those operations are not really justifiable. It seems rather likely that if the organization were to stop those operations, there would be fewer deaths overall.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

there are thousands of people that disagree with you or do you accuse everybody that you disagree with for not being Christians.

argumentum ad populum

Originally posted by Augustine2004

I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. "I'm not responsible for all those deaths, not even the deaths caused by the aircraft whose engines I've worked on.

Sorry, I don't touch aircraft. And the aircraft we have on this base don't drop bombs. Do you even have the slightest idea what the military does or are you just ignorant of it like you are of everything else we do?

None of the boys and girls in the Mid East are responsible for any civilian deaths that occurred as a result of the US occupation there."I fail to see what difference that makes to the morality of the MidEast occupation. You would go beyond Augustine's and others' Just War theory? I mean not me - Augustine of Hippo.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! Just goes to show how little you know what goes on over there. Did you know that those insurgents are kidnapping civilians and tocturing them to death? No? Did you know that insurgents try to blow themselves up with the goal to kill as many civilians as possible? No? Just goes to show that you don't know what goes on over there and don't pay attention. In reality it seems you don't care, all you are intrested in is calling anybody you disagree with a non-Christian. How entertaining! Maybe next you can accuse me of being the daughter of Satan.

"I have to rob jewelry stores, because otherwise I'd be poor. I have to con rich eldery ladies out of their savings because otherwise I can't afford an education." Look, about affording an education, if you can afford the Internet you can study on your own. Libraries are free anyway, courtesy of the government, not that I approve.

I hate to tell you this, but companies don't hire you just because you study at a library. They hire you because you have a degree and classes are not cheap. Even online classes are several hundred dollars. Know anybody else who's job pays them to go to school? High paying ones do, but you kind of need a degree first. How do you get a degree?

Is this not really indifference to the suffering that the Mideast occupation has caused?

So you're saying that Saddam never murdered citizens? Saddam murdered thousands and we are still finding bodies out there burried 5 years after the invasion. If you want to see evil, go watch the video's of Saddam's tocture sessions. Go read the stories about how Saddam's sons would kidnap women they went to school with, rape them, and murder them. Things over there are getting better and if you want to see who is causing the suffering, look no further than the insurgent that blows himself up to injury or kill as many as possible. Want to see who is causing the suffer, go ask Bin Laden and his friends, they'll tell you.

Time after time I've asked people to justify that. What do we get? Nothing, really. Bogus errors? Zat that? Go ahead, and show us what they are. My God, what's the matter with you?

Let's see...

You accuse me of murder when I haven't killed anybody.

Call me a non-Christian just because I disagree with you and don't accept your emotionally charged language.

Cut and paste articles from Lew Rockwell who I have caught lying or being downright dishonest with what he says.

Ignore the fact that it is the insurgents that murder people, not American forces.

Call accidents murder even though the US forces did not attack with the intentions to kill innocent civilians (yet ignore the fact the insurgents do).

Gosh... what is wrong with me? Nothing because you are throwing around emotionally charged language and pretending it's an argument. Please prove that the US forces intend to kill civilians or admit before all you don't care and just want excuses to rant and rave.

Are you really that morally obtuse?

Are you really dumb enough to fall for Lew Rockwell's lies? It sure seems that way.

Or do you know very well what you are doing but is pretending to be morally obtuse?

You still have failed to prove there is murder going on. Unless of course you can prove that the US forces attacking with the intention to kill civilians. Can you? Nope? But I can prove that the insurgents attack with the intentions of killing civilians because they get up in their face before blowing themselves up or they kidnap them and tocture them before they murder them. So tell us all who is doing the murdering or do you just prefer emotionally charged language?

On the slight chance you're just being stupid, let me spell it out: You're ordered to do something in an organization. The organization's operations result in a few deaths every year, even though those operations are not really justifiable. It seems rather likely that if the organization were to stop those operations, there would be fewer deaths overall.

I guess you ignore the fact that Saddam murders thousands of people. Huh? What do we do? I guess in your world we just tell him "stop that" and it magically should go away. You are very nieve and continue to ignore that it isn't the US forces kidnapping people and murdering them, it is the insurgents. You keep ignoring that it isn't the US forces that place roadside bombs with the intentions to kill people. It is the insurgents. You don't seem to understand that it isn't the US forces going into neighborhoods and blowing themselves up. It is the insurgents. But in your world, everything is our fault and we are murders for an airstrike that accidently killed 9 civilians, yet continue to ignore that Saddam murdered over 100,000 people and the insurgents kill more then that everyday. Gosh... which side is the murder... decisions decisions.

argumentum ad populum

Funny how that only counts when you disagree with it eh? Tell me two facts about the modern military or do you think we go around thinking of ways to kill people all day? You sure show me you just like Lew Rockwell do all of your thinking for you.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Sorry, I don't touch aircraft. And the aircraft we have on this base don't drop bombs. Do you even have the slightest idea what the military does or are you just ignorant of it like you are of everything else we do?

Oh, whatever you do in the military is totally peaceful. All to support the ideal of Liberty and Justice for All. My profoundest apologies for making wrong assumptions.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Just goes to show how little you know what goes on over there. Did you know that those insurgents are kidnapping civilians and tocturing them to death? No? Did you know that insurgents try to blow themselves up with the goal to kill as many civilians as possible? No? Just goes to show that you don't know what goes on over there and don't pay attention. In reality it seems you don't care, all you are intrested in is calling anybody you disagree with a non-Christian. How entertaining! Maybe next you can accuse me of being the daughter of Satan.

Oh, more of my profoundest apologies for being so ignorant. How stupid and obtuse of me.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

I hate to tell you this, but companies don't hire you just because you study at a library. They hire you because you have a degree and classes are not cheap. Even online classes are several hundred dollars. Know anybody else who's job pays them to go to school? High paying ones do, but you kind of need a degree first. How do you get a degree?

Can't tell that I'm well eddicashooded, huh? Work? Save money? You do have to start with a crap, low paying job, like waiting on restuarant tables. People however became millionaires eventually. Billionaires, even.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

So you're saying that Saddam never murdered citizens? Saddam murdered thousands and we are still finding bodies out there burried 5 years after the invasion. If you want to see evil, go watch the video's of Saddam's tocture sessions. Go read the stories about how Saddam's sons would kidnap women they went to school with, rape them, and murder them.

I think North Korea is worse. Why aren't we over there?

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Things over there are getting better

May I disagree? Sure, there's a lull of sorts. But deceptive.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

and if you want to see who is causing the suffering, look no further than the insurgent that blows himself up to injury or kill as many as possible.

I think that if we withdraw now, there will be a great deal less of that stuff. Sure, those Muslims are human. Some rape, some murders, some robberies, but far less.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Want to see who is causing the suffer, go ask Bin Laden and his friends, they'll tell you.

How to get them to tell me!? Tell me what? OBL already told us in videos: Get the hell out of the MidEast and stay out.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Let's see...

You accuse me of murder when I haven't killed anybody.

I will assume you never intend to kill anybody. However, how about knowingly working for someone who knowingly set in motion a course of action that would result in the deaths of 1,000 civilians in the MidEast?

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Call accidents murder even though the US forces did not attack with the intentions to kill innocent civilians (yet ignore the fact the insurgents do).

But that's just the point. To set forth on a course of action that you have to know will result in the deaths of 1000 civilians and cause people to become freedom fighters. Calling them insurgents is to obscure the situation. One reason they are fighting is to be rid of us. The Sunni-Shia split complicates the situation; let that not take our eye off the ball.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Gosh... what is wrong with me? Nothing because you are throwing around emotionally charged language and pretending it's an argument. Please prove that the US forces intend to kill civilians or admit before all you don't care and just want excuses to rant and rave.

Good grief, what a poor reader and reasoner you are.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

What do we do? I guess in your world we just tell him "stop that" and it magically should go away.

You say that Saddam killed 100,000. I suppose that's counting the war with Iran? You should know how involved the USA was in that war. You don't know how involved the USA was in the MidEast since World War II, it seems. We're guilty as hell. We suckered Saddam into invading Kuiwat, I believe. When he did, we said that will not stand, etc. Ugh. You're the naive one.

I already made an 'what-if' assessment in another thread, and concluded that the reality is that we couldn't do much without causing excessive damage and death.


Another Associated Press report: the USFG is pressuring Iraq to sign a security pact. “The White House said Iraqi security forces are incapable of keeping the peace without US troops . . . “ Essays in lewrockwell.com said something like that years ago already. Years ago, Bush said, we will stand down when they stand up. Ha! Socialism does not work. Lew is not the stupid one; LPO Terror is.

Why would LPO Terror work for an organization that is hard at work supporting a dictatorship that just sentenced a journalist to 20 years for circulating an article about women’s rights? Yet another example of stupidity and moral obtuseness. http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13623

Here’s something that LPO Terror can check: satellite photos of sewage leaks, many of which are caused by USAF strikes.

Originally posted by Augustine2004

Oh, whatever you do in the military is totally peaceful. All to support the ideal of Liberty and Justice for All. My profoundest apologies for making wrong assumptions.

Nice to see that you have not a clue about the peace operations we do on a day to day bases. I do enjoy the smart mouthed attitude, but you can't kid a kidder. Try harder.

Oh, more of my profoundest apologies for being so ignorant. How stupid and obtuse of me. Can't tell that I'm well eddicashooded, huh? Work? Save money? You do have to start with a crap, low paying job, like waiting on restuarant tables. People however became millionaires eventually. Billionaires, even.

And many of them don't and stay in lower paying jobs for the rest of their life. I know quite a few people that are that way. Those who work from rags to riches are not the rule, most stay that way and yes...the military is a great way to work yourself out of rags and into riches. Many have done it and many famous people got their start that way.

I think North Korea is worse. Why aren't we over there?

North Korea is contained and will fall appart all on it's own without an invasion. Know why? It has no way to support itself. Saddam had one of the biggest oil reserves and in reality he could of supported himself for years. North Korea has no natural resources people are going to pay for and it will fall appart all on it's own without an invasion.

May I disagree. Sure, there's a lull of sorts. But deceptive. I think that if we withdraw now, there will be a great deal less of that stuff. Sure, those Muslims are human. Some rape, some murders, some robberies, but far less. How to get them to tell me!? Tell me what? OBL already told us in videos: Get the hell out of the MidEast and stay out.

Oh yeah, and let Saddam and people lik him murder thousands! Let people be forced with a government that uses fear and terror to control the population. That is much better. And you call me immoral.

I will assume you never intend to kill anybody. However, how about knowingly working for someone who knowingly set in motion a course of action that would result in the deaths of 1,000 civilians in the MidEast?

Sorry dear, but my job has nothing to do with the war at all and the planes I work on the only way they can kill somebody is in a fire ball as they crash into a city. Also, you seem to just put your fingers in your years and scream, "LALALALALA! I can't hear you!" whenever it is mentioned that Saddam murders tens and even hundreds of thousands. Saddam has murdered at least 100,000 civlians in the middle east... yet you say not a word about it, but God forbid that a USAF jet accidently kills one person, but it seems it's ok for Saddam to murder thousands, eh?

But that's just the point. To set forth on a course of action that you have to know will result in the deaths of 1000 civilians and cause people to become freedom fighters. Calling them insurgents is to obscure the situation. One reason they are fighting is to be rid of us. The Sunni-Shia split complicates the situation; let that not take our eye off the ball.

Sorry, but you keep ignoring that Saddam was murdering thousands of civilians and we have video evidence of him doing this. We have thousands of bodies and hundreds of mass graves all over Iraq to prove it as well. But you keep ignoring the facts and screaming, "LALALALALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!" whenver that fact is pointed out. I hate to tell you this, but the only evil thing the US did was let Saddam stay in power so long, he should of been taken out in 1990 and not 2003, want to see evil? Look at all the people who sat around and did nothing while Saddam was left to murder tens of thousands of his own citizens in cold blood. Ignore that fact becuase you don't like it.

Good grief, what a poor reader and reasoner you are.

And how is that because I dare disagree with you? What's the problem... can't accuse me of murder becuase you haven't got the slightest clue what goes on over there and let your buddy (Lew Rockwell) tell you want to think? I'm still waiting for you to produce two facts about the military and it seems you can't. Let me tell you directly how much better the military is at holding up the Christian principle of Charity then the civilian world is....

A few months ago there was a baby girl that was needed a critical sugery to save her life. The problem was the family couldn't pay for it. Our solution was to hold a fund-raiser to raise the money so this baby can get the sugery she needs. Tell me, how often does this happen in the civilian world? Let me give you another example, in our performance reports, we are rated by how much we do for our community. Does the civilian world rate their employees by their willingness to help our their community? My civilian job sure didn't.