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    Op-Ed in the LA Times today from a religious historian, Under Trump, evangelicals show their true racist colors:

    What does it tell us when businessmen demonstrate a greater moral resolve than ministers?


    Worth remembering in this context is MLK Jr's lament in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail:

    But despite these notable exceptions, I must honestly reiterate that I have been disappointed with the church. I do not say this as one of those negative critics who can always find something wrong with the church. I say this as a minister of the gospel, who loves the church; who was nurtured in its bosom; who has been sustained by its spiritual blessings and who will remain true to it as long as the cord of life shall lengthen.

    When I was suddenly catapulted into the leadership of the bus protest in Montgomery, Alabama, a few years ago, I felt we would be supported by the white church. I felt that the white ministers, priests and rabbis of the South would be among our strongest allies. Instead, some have been outright opponents, refusing to understand the freedom movement and misrepresenting its leaders; all too many others have been more cautious than courageous and have remained silent behind the anesthetizing security of stained glass windows.

    In spite of my shattered dreams, I came to Birmingham with the hope that the white religious leadership of this community would see the justice of our cause and, with deep moral concern, would serve as the channel through which our just grievances could reach the power structure. I had hoped that each of you would understand. But again I have been disappointed.

    I have heard numerous southern religious leaders admonish their worshipers to comply with a desegregation decision because it is the law, but I have longed to hear white ministers declare: "Follow this decree because integration is morally right and because the Negro is your brother." In the midst of blatant injustices inflicted upon the Negro, I have watched white churchmen stand on the sideline and mouth pious irrelevancies and sanctimonious trivialities. In the midst of a mighty struggle to rid our nation of racial and economic injustice, I have heard many ministers say: "Those are social issues, with which the gospel has no real concern." And I have watched many churches commit themselves to a completely other worldly religion which makes a strange, un-Biblical distinction between body and soul, between the sacred and the secular.

    I have traveled the length and breadth of Alabama, Mississippi and all the other southern states. On sweltering summer days and crisp autumn mornings I have looked at the South's beautiful churches with their lofty spires pointing heavenward. I have beheld the impressive outlines of her massive religious education buildings. Over and over I have found myself asking: "What kind of people worship here? Who is their God? Where were their voices when the lips of Governor Barnett dripped with words of interposition and nullification? Where were they when Governor Wallace gave a clarion call for defiance and hatred? Where were their voices of support when bruised and weary Negro men and women decided to rise from the dark dungeons of complacency to the bright hills of creative protest?"
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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    Evangelicals showed their true racist colors by not voting for Obama when they had the chance--twice!
    I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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    • #3
      I don't know that the businessmen who resigned necessarily showed moral resolve so much as they showed reasonable business sense in performing an action likely to court positive publicity.
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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      • #4
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        I don't know that the businessmen who resigned necessarily showed moral resolve so much as they showed reasonable business sense in performing an action likely to court positive publicity.
        They realized that they and anyone/thing they're associated were likely to be attacked and subject to adverse press and boycotts.

        I'm always still in trouble again

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        • #5
          The hysteria over Trump's initial remarks is, quite frankly, ridiculous. There is no need for evangelical leaders to respond to them. That said, they should at least be condemning the racism displayed in Charlottesville. My church did, about as reasonably quickly as a conciliar body can be expected to react to something.

          Of course, I also don't expect unbiased coverage from the MSM, of which the LAT is one of the more liberal examples.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            They realized that they and anyone/thing they're associated were likely to be attacked and subject to adverse press and boycotts.
            True. Companies don't want to be lied about in the fashion that the media lied about Trump. Even if the businesses act against the majority viewpoint of customers -- these companies likely feel they will fare better if the media slander is avoided.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Op-Ed in the LA Times today from a religious historian, Under Trump, evangelicals show their true racist colors:

              Starlight,
              It is amazing that you didn't recognized the level of crap/stupidity in this quoted article. For now on, if you see that much hatred spewed out by a writer in a newspaper article, just throw the newspaper out (or leave the website immediately) -- or at least skip ahead to another article.

              What candidate could people vote for that has led a perfect life? Are you suggesting that Christians not vote? or are you asking to vote for a third party candidate that won't have a chance yet? I assume you have some wisdom to insert into these questions.

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              • #8
                I love how the lying media and idiots like dimbulb try to paint their ideological opponents as being racist and flat ignoring all the evangelicals that have condemned it. What's New though? Another day another fake news story that idiots eat up whole.
                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                  Starlight,
                  It is amazing that you didn't recognized the level of crap/stupidity in this quoted article. For now on, if you see that much hatred spewed out by a writer in a newspaper article, just throw the newspaper out (or leave the website immediately) -- or at least skip ahead to another article.

                  What candidate could people vote for that has led a perfect life? Are you suggesting that Christians not vote? or are you asking to vote for a third party candidate that won't have a chance yet? I assume you have some wisdom to insert into these questions.
                  I still haven't got a straight answer about how bringing up Donald's divorces is proof he's immoral, but smearing your husbands accusers for his own sexual misconduct is okay. More rank hypocrisy from the democrat party. Of course the LA Times is the New York Times of the west coast. Both are full of partisan hacks that have no issue lying about what their opponents believe. They are good for lining bird cages and that's about it.
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                  "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                  GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                  • #10
                    My God, you are just a flipping moron. I thought you couldn't get any stupider, but here we go...
                    That's what
                    - She

                    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
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                    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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                    • #11
                      Of course we are racist nazis - we are a basket of deplorables remember?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        The hysteria over Trump's initial remarks is, quite frankly, ridiculous. There is no need for evangelical leaders to respond to them. That said, they should at least be condemning the racism displayed in Charlottesville. My church did, about as reasonably quickly as a conciliar body can be expected to react to something.

                        Of course, I also don't expect unbiased coverage from the MSM, of which the LAT is one of the more liberal examples.
                        I have yet to hear a single evangelical clearly support racism, and I have heard plenty decry it. The OP is a clearly false position. All the Christians I know, all the Christian positions I have heard condemn racism in all it's forms. Because we have not supported the racists on the side opposite the white supremacists this is taken as support for the other racists. This is simply dishonest and false.
                        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                          I love how the lying media and idiots like dimbulb try to paint their ideological opponents as being racist and flat ignoring all the evangelicals that have condemned it. What's New though? Another day another fake news story that idiots eat up whole.
                          I'm shocked, shocked, that an LAT Op-Ed would fail to present contrary evidence.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            The hysteria over Trump's initial remarks is, quite frankly, ridiculous. There is no need for evangelical leaders to respond to them. That said, they should at least be condemning the racism displayed in Charlottesville. My church did, about as reasonably quickly as a conciliar body can be expected to react to something.
                            They should've stayed out of it if they don't know anything about what happened (and judging by the statement, they don't). Although at this point my expectations from anybody in a position of leadership are pretty much 0.
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                              I have yet to hear a single evangelical clearly support racism, and I have heard plenty decry it. The OP is a clearly false position. All the Christians I know, all the Christian positions I have heard condemn racism in all it's forms. Because we have not supported the racists on the side opposite the white supremacists this is taken as support for the other racists. This is simply dishonest and false.
                              Charlottesville was mostly an example of leftist violence anyway. The car crash came after violent leftist vigilantes teamed up with the governor to engage in criminal suppression of civil rights. Virtue signalling about how much you deplore Nazis takes no bravery or virtue whatsoever. Defending their rights against the corporate progressive hegemony that can ruin your life OTOH...

                              Like the OP I'm very disappointed in the response to the events in Charlottesville coming from both Christians and the right (which, at this point, should be one and the same, it's simply no longer possible in the current political climate to be both a leftist and a Christian). Mostly retreats into fetal position and begging the left not to hit them.
                              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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